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Brutus B Vice And Valour Fang Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 00:49:00 - [1] I've been trying to figure out the issue of isk. It's acceptable to trade game-time cards for isk, but not buy isk outright. The system that exists basically, if one is interested, sends someone not to just one 3rd party, but possibly two. So, my question is, not why CCP has banned the purchase of isk, which could lead to someone's funds being confiscated, and someone's account being banned; but why not they haven't taken exclusive control over that trade for themselves? By endorsing/controlling it, a RL-market for their IN-Game items/currecny they would be funding their coffers for thier staff, and the development of eve-expansions. Personally, I'm just someone trying to follow the rules ('cause I don't want to be banned) but wouldn't mind putting a little more RL money out there if I could acquire some additional isk here and there; but I don't want to get stuck with a couple of time-cards I don't plan on using, or get loaded with isk that's going to get taken from me with the possibility of my account being suspended. But just as a point of discussion, I wonder why the Dev's haven't exploited for themselves this aspect of the whole industry in order to make more money with a product (and all in game products) that they own; and at the same time, allowed to their subscribers a fraud free EULA acceptable avenue for the acquistion of additional itmes or ingame-curreceny, by being in themselves the solely trusted provider of such services.
Hannah Chi Gate Huggers	Posted - 2008.03.24 01:00:00 - [2] GTC - CCP gets the RL Cash ISK Sales - CCP sees No Cash
Erialor Godsent The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.24 01:03:00 - [3] GTC-sales doesn't inject more ISK into the game - CCP selling ISK would do just that. -- Get Your Crumplecorn signature here.
MongWen Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.03.24 01:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Brutus B I've been trying to figure out the issue of isk. It's acceptable to trade game-time cards for isk, but not buy isk outright. The system that exists basically, if one is interested, sends someone not to just one 3rd party, but possibly two. So, my question is, not why CCP has banned the purchase of isk, which could lead to someone's funds being confiscated, and someone's account being banned; but why not they haven't taken exclusive control over that trade for themselves? By endorsing/controlling it, a RL-market for their IN-Game items/currecny they would be funding their coffers for thier staff, and the development of eve-expansions. By allowing the GTC for isk trade CCP is giving legit players to get isk for something that CCP gets the Real money for, and opens EvE for players that dont have that much money (students for one) so that they can play by paying with ISK (or having someone pay the GTC or them by paying them with ISK). when 3rd partys sells ISK/item/ships they obtains it by farming or other means, and that can create a huge problem when demand is riseing. Since if the demand goes up so does the number off farmers, witch creates LAG and can destroy the game in the long run. (And ofc CCP Gets 0.- off the money that farmers gets that way) And if CCP opens to sell ISK and Items for cash, then the it will create a inbalance off the game since the isk/items will be created. Originally by: Brutus B Personally, I'm just someone trying to follow the rules ('cause I don't want to be banned) but wouldn't mind putting a little more RL money out there if I could acquire some additional isk here and there; but I don't want to get stuck with a couple of time-cards I don't plan on using, or get loaded with isk that's going to get taken from me with the possibility of my account being suspended. tbh it issent that hard to get rid off a few GTC, there is always a demand, and its safe if you use the secure way, but do follow the EULA and TOS. Originally by: Brutus B But just as a point of discussion, I wonder why the Dev's haven't exploited for themselves this aspect of the whole industry in order to make more money with a product (and all in game products) that they own; and at the same time, allowed to their subscribers a fraud free EULA acceptable avenue for the acquistion of additional itmes or ingame-curreceny, by being in themselves the solely trusted provider of such services. Well it boils down to the point that the people that are ritch out off game will get a unfair advantage over others that cant afford buying stuff for real money. and it will make stuff in game atm close to point less, since you can fire up your CC and replace a Faction fitted BS in a few secounds, and leaving the guys that mine and build stuff in game with out a profession, and alot off people will leave it CCP opens up for something like a Item/ISK shop tbh. ------------------------- Opinions are my opinions. They do not reflect view of UCAM, if it is not stated

GM Guard Game Masters	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:14:00 - [5] MongWen actually explains this pretty well. The main thing to keep in mind is that the core purpose of allowing the trade of GTCs for ISK is not ISK purchase. It is to allow people to play that would otherwise not have the means of paying for the game. ISK purchase through the GTC system is an inevitable side product and is by far the lesser of two evils so to speak. ISK buying is forbidden mostly because of the problems it drags into the game (account hacking, credit card fraud, ISK spamming, farmer infestation). Farmers will multiply in direct synch with the demand for bought ISK and we would much prefer to see an increase in the number of real players that contribute to the game. I am sure most of you agree with that.

Red Desire Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:23:00 - [6] ISK demand is huge, as a direct result of that EVE might be the most farmed game in history. Of course lots of farmers means that the ISK value had dropped, so anyone can buy which again fuels the demand. ISK demand was not so big 3 years ago, paying 100 $ for 100 mils of ISK could of been the reason...
Aem White-Noise	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Red Desire ISK demand is huge, as a direct result of that EVE might be the most farmed game in history. Of course lots of farmers means that the ISK value had dropped, so anyone can buy which again fuels the demand. ISK demand was not so big 3 years ago, paying 100 $ for 100 mils of ISK could of been the reason... WOW, and FFXI are
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:47:00 - [8] The ACTUAL reason for the GTC's is that it encourages people to keep their accounts running, or to actually get MORE accounts. Either because the account pays for it self or because you don't have to pay RL cash for it. It works both ways.
Andarel Morphine Inc	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:49:00 - [9] I played FFXI for about 2 years. The Gilsellers really screwed with the economy and just made the whole game impractical to play. It had other issues, but that isn't relevant.
Aem White-Noise	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Andarel I played FFXI for about 2 years. The Gilsellers really screwed with the economy and just made the whole game impractical to play. It had other issues, but that isn't relevant. As did I, it became an epidemic, it wasn't just the gil that was being sold, it was everything Notorius being camped to death. Sky, Sea, Heaven. RMT's bring back such memory.
Lamiah Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Aem Originally by: Andarel I played FFXI for about 2 years. The Gilsellers really screwed with the economy and just made the whole game impractical to play. It had other issues, but that isn't relevant. As did I, it became an epidemic, it wasn't just the gil that was being sold, it was everything Notorius being camped to death. Sky, Sea, Heaven. RMT's bring back such memory. Damn, this brings boring memories......hated camping those spawns, one of the reasons I grew tired of that game....
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:06:00 - [12] Originally by: GM Guard It is to allow people to play that would otherwise not have the means of paying for the game. That is the important bit and when people complain about trading GTC's for isk, they obviously couldn't care less if a lot of people couldn't play the game. If GTC's for isk was stopped (officially) then either some of my corp mates would have to stop playing, or get GTC's "illegally". This system is good. CCP, for all it's faults, treats it's player base better, and more adult, than any other company who's MMO I have played does. _______________________________________
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:35:00 - [13] if CCP introduced isk for cash then it would break the game. as CCP would have to spawn more isk into the game... if you know what inflation means then you know what i mean. BS will start costing 2x, 3x or even more bacuse of that. isk value is kinda based on mineral price (does not count faction mudles.. they are like rare pieces of art in rl... the paint and canvas are worth crap if you sold it for material value). if you create isk and there are no mineral to supply then isk value drops and prices will go up. players who cant afford to buy isk will quit because they cant afford anything now because normal BS costs 400mil each. ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
kworld modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.03.25 13:21:00 - [14] Edited by: kworld on 25/03/2008 13:23:33 Originally by: Brutus B I've been trying to figure out the issue of isk. It's acceptable to trade game-time cards for isk, but not buy isk outright. The system that exists basically, if one is interested, sends someone not to just one 3rd party, but possibly two. So, my question is, not why CCP has banned the purchase of isk, which could lead to someone's funds being confiscated, and someone's account being banned; but why not they haven't taken exclusive control over that trade for themselves? By endorsing/controlling it, a RL-market for their IN-Game items/currecny they would be funding their coffers for thier staff, and the development of eve-expansions. Personally, I'm just someone trying to follow the rules ('cause I don't want to be banned) but wouldn't mind putting a little more RL money out there if I could acquire some additional isk here and there; but I don't want to get stuck with a couple of time-cards I don't plan on using, or get loaded with isk that's going to get taken from me with the possibility of my account being suspended. But just as a point of discussion, I wonder why the Dev's haven't exploited for themselves this aspect of the whole industry in order to make more money with a product (and all in game products) that they own; and at the same time, allowed to their subscribers a fraud free EULA acceptable avenue for the acquistion of additional itmes or ingame-curreceny, by being in themselves the solely trusted provider of such services. I totaly agree the only difference of buying isk via the gtc way and isk sellers is that the cash goes to ccp's fat wallet if its done the gtc way. Basically all this isk comes from the same place either if you are buying it from isk sellers or gtc way it all mainly comes from macros etc. Its kind of all one sided really.
Valan The Fated Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.03.25 14:59:00 - [15] Buying is cheating, there is a Dev post were CCP stated it. Think it was Hammer. GTCs came in and in typical EVE fashion something happened that no one expected including CCP. So GTC trading was born, CCP still didn't like people buying isk but by the time they thought about doing something about the negatvie affect would be too great. So they tightened it up protect everyone involved and made it less exploitable. So in short no one wanted isk buying but it happened and being slow to put the brakes on it CCP formalised it. Then for some reason the player base took off and the balance shifted towards the US players and now buying isk is not considered cheating but a god given right. Go figure! /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Eriol Hiiragizawa Empyreal Paradox	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Lamiah Originally by: Aem Originally by: Andarel I played FFXI for about 2 years. The Gilsellers really screwed with the economy and just made the whole game impractical to play. It had other issues, but that isn't relevant. As did I, it became an epidemic, it wasn't just the gil that was being sold, it was everything Notorius being camped to death. Sky, Sea, Heaven. RMT's bring back such memory. Damn, this brings boring memories......hated camping those spawns, one of the reasons I grew tired of that game.... Other issues with FFXI aside, SE did get off their ass and start sorting the RMT issue. They've been posting reports like this and this for a little while now. As a result, the economy has utterly crashed from the hyperinflation of times of old. 16mil for a Vermillion Cloak? It's worth less than a mil now. Erase, originally sold for 600k+, now worth 40k at the most. This is reflected across much of the stuff sold today on the auction house. If you sold all your stuff during the inflation period and ended up with more than 100 mil from it, you could probably level and equip decently all current character classes to 75 and still have a lot left over. -------------------- In Soviet HED, Gate camps YOU!
Andargor theWise The Fated Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:35:00 - [17] Edited by: Andargor theWise on 25/03/2008 15:35:55 I'll say it again: Allow the purchase of GTCs for ISK, so that those who don't have any other purchase options can play. But do not allow the selling of GTCs between players. You then avoid the Cash -> GTC -> ISK cycle. Of course, it's a net loss for CCP to do this, as it does not generate cash for those wishing to buy with ISK. - Stop the Feature Glut: Take the API to the Next Level
wamingo Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:50:00 - [18] Edited by: wamingo on 25/03/2008 15:50:09 Originally by: GM Guard ISK purchase through the GTC system is an inevitable side product and is by far the lesser of two evils so to speak. Which is the greater evil is totally subjective and simply cannot be determined until we know how much the GTC market is worth every month and how it compares to Isk selling + banning. I'd wager more isk is being traded for gtc's than would be for $. If this is so, your system is not helping at all, it's making it worse. And believe me, player's perspective does not incorporate sympathy for ccp. We're not a charity. -- I won't not promise to avoid refraining from harming you! .... What?
Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.03.25 16:20:00 - [19] Edited by: Alora Venoda on 25/03/2008 16:20:42 Originally by: Andargor theWise Edited by: Andargor theWise on 25/03/2008 15:35:55 I'll say it again: Allow the purchase of GTCs for ISK, so that those who don't have any other purchase options can play. But do not allow the selling of GTCs between players. You then avoid the Cash -> GTC -> ISK cycle. Of course, it's a net loss for CCP to do this, as it does not generate cash for those wishing to buy with ISK. so you are suggesting CCP directly add gametime in exchange for ISK? this would greatly differ from current method because: 1) ISK would be removed from the economy instead of exchanged between players 2) CCP would be paid with pixels instead of cash, and would lose revenue the current system is fine, CCP gets paid for all accounts, just by different players... and no ISK is leaving or entering the economy because of it ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
kworld modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.03.25 16:28:00 - [20] Edited by: kworld on 25/03/2008 16:35:09 What a load of rubbish all these excuses by ccp for the reason they have the gtc to sell for isk,"so people can play the game without paying, market is safer etc" This is all a load of rubbish and its an excuse that ccp is using to make more RL cash from this. Look at the bigger picture and don't be gullible from what you read. ccp is basically making like 15% extra profits from gtc selling for isk. people buy gtc to sell for isk, people macro and buy the gtc for isk and sell them on ebay for RL cash for half the price you buy them from gtc sellers. there is no difference in this to isk sellers apart from ccp being involved in the loop. so basically buying isk the gtc way solves nothing at all.
Andargor theWise The Fated Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:22:00 - [21] Edited by: Andargor theWise on 25/03/2008 17:22:45 Originally by: Alora Venoda Edited by: Alora Venoda on 25/03/2008 16:20:42 so you are suggesting CCP directly add gametime in exchange for ISK? this would greatly differ from current method because: 1) ISK would be removed from the economy instead of exchanged between players 2) CCP would be paid with pixels instead of cash, and would lose revenue the current system is fine, CCP gets paid for all accounts, just by different players... and no ISK is leaving or entering the economy because of it Correct for 2, that's the price to pay to limit RMT. For 1, it's a good thing, since AFAIK ISK faucets are a problem. One more ISK sink is good. - Stop the Feature Glut: Take the API to the Next Level
1717 A Dark Cloud Unaffiliated	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:49:00 - [22] Originally by: kworld ccp is basically making like 15% extra profits from gtc selling for isk. people buy gtc to sell for isk, people macro and buy the gtc for isk and sell them on ebay for RL cash for half the price you buy them from gtc sellers. there is no difference in this to isk sellers apart from ccp being involved in the loop. so basically buying isk the gtc way solves nothing at all. So what are you suggesting? It's not like if CCP were taken out of the loop the situation would improve. As with any other online game these sales would go on, legally or not, and the only byproduct would be the cancellation of many accounts who could no longer afford to play due to being unable to extend their game time by spending more time in game. At the end of the day, I'd rather CCP benefit somehow from the process in the hopes that the money does indeed go to development and management of the game than exclude them altogether. But to be sure, this process will continue whether they're apart of it or not.
kworld modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.03.25 22:53:00 - [23] Edited by: kworld on 25/03/2008 22:53:17 Originally by: 1717 Originally by: kworld ccp is basically making like 15% extra profits from gtc selling for isk. people buy gtc to sell for isk, people macro and buy the gtc for isk and sell them on ebay for RL cash for half the price you buy them from gtc sellers. there is no difference in this to isk sellers apart from ccp being involved in the loop. so basically buying isk the gtc way solves nothing at all. So what are you suggesting? It's not like if CCP were taken out of the loop the situation would improve. As with any other online game these sales would go on, legally or not, and the only byproduct would be the cancellation of many accounts who could no longer afford to play due to being unable to extend their game time by spending more time in game. At the end of the day, I'd rather CCP benefit somehow from the process in the hopes that the money does indeed go to development and management of the game than exclude them altogether. But to be sure, this process will continue whether they're apart of it or not. yes i agree i would rather want the cash to go to ccp for improving the game and hopefully getting that walking in station thing going that i hear of. All i am stating is there is no difference at all between gtc and isk selling apart from the isk motly goes to ccp

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