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Verrain Ravenlark University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.24 15:22:00 - [1] Edited by: Verrain Ravenlark on 24/03/2008 15:25:20 So I am a mission runner about a month a way from leaving my trusty Drake for a Nighthawk. After that though, I am pretty torn about my next move, so I thought I would poll opinion: Should I take the time to max out my shield and missile skills and fly the Nighthawk with a cormorant if I want salvage (really maxing my missile and shield skills will probably take about 6-7 months...I could also learn command ships V) OR Should I immediately start training AWU and Caldari BS to 5 and save up for a Golem (about 2 months training) and then start maxing out the skills? Keep in mind if you choose to reply that I am only interested in missions (not PVP at all), and that I usually play first thing in the AM...so I am often a little bit groggy. Therefore not losing my ship if a mess up a mission is a big factor :) What will be more fun and / or net me better ISK /hour overall? *Edit other factor for missile skills is that I already have Heavy Missiles V, whereas I would need to train Cruise or Torps to 5 for the golem, which is another month before I can use T2 guns...not as big a deal I don't think though as Arbalest torp and cruise and not much more expensive than T2 in my area.
Last Wolf Templars of Space Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 16:14:00 - [2] Train for the Golem, Then max out which ever ship you like flying better. Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Nu Wa Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:55:00 - [3] Edited by: Nu Wa on 24/03/2008 18:56:26 Since you are coming from a drake, I doubt you have all the support skills to fly a golem well. What I did was I left heavy missile spec and commandship at 4 and maxed all shield and missile related skills while I played with the nighthawk. Once I was ready I went into the golem. If you are serious about mission running then don't settle with the nighthawk. TORP Golem is on a different level in terms of both gank power and time efficiency.
Annowyn Clan'Destine	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:01:00 - [4] Properly flown, gank fitted rohk is prolly better than both.
Verrain Ravenlark University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Nu Wa Edited by: Nu Wa on 24/03/2008 18:56:26 Since you are coming from a drake, I doubt you have all the support skills to fly a golem well. I already have pretty much everything at 4, plus anything that required lv. 5 for T2 fittings. Obviously for a torp Golem I would also want Missile Projection and Bombardment to 5, and Shield Compensation and the Energy skills to IV at least, but are things like Warhead Upgrades and Shield Compensation skills really necessary at V to be an effective Golem pilot? I do have 1.7m SP in Missile and 2.3m SP in Engineering already, so it's not like I can barely fly the Drake.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Annowyn Properly flown, gank fitted rohk is prolly better than both. I guess you never used a Golem, nor are a serious mission runner if you think your rokh is time-efficient. ------------------------------------------
Gul Rashen Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:15:00 - [7] Train to the Nighthawk if you like the Style and don't like BS, otherwise train for the Golem. Except the Agi/Speed and the easygoing with Frigs, the NH isn`t as good as the Golem for Missionrunning.
Arazel Chainfire KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:27:00 - [8] I'd recommend training up and getting your important nighthawk skills to 4, then going for a golem. A properly fitted, t2 nighthawk can run any lvl 4 mission with a passive shield permatank (aka, very much a ship that is tough to screw up on). A golem on the other hand (afaik) cannot get a decent permatank without sacrificing alot of gank, making it slightly more user intensive. That being said, a golem is significantly better for mission running than the nighthawk once you start throwing money at it. -Arazel Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Mutual Incomprehension is one of the Four Horsemen of most internet arguments, I guess, along with Unfettered Hostility, Overwhelming Vagueness, and Lack of Evidence.
Trevor Warps Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Annowyn Properly flown, gank fitted rohk is prolly better than both. I guess you never used a Golem, nor are a serious mission runner if you think your rokh is time-efficient. I guess you don't pvp at all if you think she ways talking about pve.
Arazel Chainfire KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.03.24 23:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Trevor Warps Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Annowyn Properly flown, gank fitted rohk is prolly better than both. I guess you never used a Golem, nor are a serious mission runner if you think your rokh is time-efficient. I guess you don't pvp at all if you think she ways talking about pve. I think that people were assuming that she had listened to the op... Originally by: Verrain Ravenlark ... Keep in mind if you choose to reply that I am only interested in missions (not PVP at all), and that I usually play first thing in the AM...so I am often a little bit groggy. Therefore not losing my ship if a mess up a mission is a big factor :) ... ... -Arazel Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Mutual Incomprehension is one of the Four Horsemen of most internet arguments, I guess, along with Unfettered Hostility, Overwhelming Vagueness, and Lack of Evidence.

Doctor Athena State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.25 21:05:00 - [11] I would say depends on your playstyle. Nighthawk - easygoing, dont need much attention - mostly immune to lag or death by ccp - mostly never need setup changes (hardness) Golem - Requires attention - efficient and fast - high suicide gank value - Sensitive to "Death by ccp" hehe, might be easy to see what i fly As i said, it all depends on you playstyle. me i go for nighthawk
Derek Sigres Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 21:14:00 - [12] Personally, I'd say neither? The CNR is laughably cheap these days and will run missions faster than the nighthawk ever could. Every skill you learned for the CNR would later translate to the golem. Personally I don't see why people want to take NH's and Drakes into level 4's if they have a Raven available. Perhaps the NH's 15% or so extra damage is sufficient to make level 4's less painfully slow - I know some level 4's in a drake is as exciting as watching reruns of the paint drying show.
Gul Rashen Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.25 22:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Doctor Athena I would say depends on your playstyle. Nighthawk - easygoing, dont need much attention - mostly immune to lag or death by ccp - mostly never need setup changes (hardness) Golem - Requires attention - efficient and fast - high suicide gank value - Sensitive to "Death by ccp" hehe, might be easy to see what i fly As i said, it all depends on you playstyle. me i go for nighthawk All you wrote depends on Fitting.With a good Fitting: Nighthawk - easygoing, dont need much attention - mostly immune to lag or death by ccp - mostly never need setup changes (hardness) Golem - easygoing, dont need much attention - efficient and fast - immune to lag or death by ccp - never need setup changes Btw. I have a NH and a Golem
J Valkor Invicta.	Posted - 2008.03.25 22:53:00 - [14] Max out the Nighthawk. You will be bored to tears of missions by the time you have T2 Torps/Cruises and what not and the Maurader skill.


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