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xxxak O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:52:00 - [1] Lately I have been flying a lot of ad hoc "defense" gangs in 0.0 as the FC. Unfortunately, I am flying with a lot of T1 pilots, many in T1 cruisers for pvp. We usually also have a dictor and 1-2 HACs with 1-2 interceptors. We have a situation where we gate camp the entry to our space. Here is my observation - Vagabonds, ceptors, and even Recons can easily evade my 10-15 camps. In two weeks, with about 10 camps, we have only killed a couple ceptors, and that is because of "luck", eg, they uncloak 5km off one of my ships. I know, I know, I must "suck as an FC" or have "sucky friends". This is partially true. I know, I know, get a Huginn. Also somewhat valid. But I think it is ridiculous that a single ship (say a Vaga) can always escape from 10-15 reasonably well prepared camp. So I think the default web range should be extended to 10km. This would slightly increase the chance that ships could be tagged on a gate. It would have basically zero effect on haulers, BCs, or any ships other than these ridiculous nano ceptors/vagas. Some ceptor specs might have to be changed (increase range of their weapons?)
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:01:00 - [2] um...default web range is 10km.. and faction is up to 15, officer is up top 30 or 40 something :P and this thread smells like "buhuuuuuuuu i cant kill everything that comes to throught the gate.. nerf the ship that passed and boost my ship" ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Anubis Xian Vertigo One	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:02:00 - [3] Well...large bubble might help by keeping them from warping right away. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
NoNah Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:07:00 - [4] Originally by: xxxak Lately I have been flying a lot of ad hoc "defense" gangs in 0.0 as the FC. Unfortunately, I am flying with a lot of T1 pilots, many in T1 cruisers for pvp. We usually also have a dictor and 1-2 HACs with 1-2 interceptors. We have a situation where we gate camp the entry to our space. Here is my observation - Vagabonds, ceptors, and even Recons can easily evade my 10-15 camps. In two weeks, with about 10 camps, we have only killed a couple ceptors, and that is because of "luck", eg, they uncloak 5km off one of my ships. I know, I know, I must "suck as an FC" or have "sucky friends". This is partially true. I know, I know, get a Huginn. Also somewhat valid. But I think it is ridiculous that a single ship (say a Vaga) can always escape from 10-15 reasonably well prepared camp. So I think the default web range should be extended to 10km. This would slightly increase the chance that ships could be tagged on a gate. It would have basically zero effect on haulers, BCs, or any ships other than these ridiculous nano ceptors/vagas. Some ceptor specs might have to be changed (increase range of their weapons?) How about... a ceptor with a web and remote sensor boosters? Postcount: 847481
CptEagle Genius Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:09:00 - [5] A large bubble and decent awake ceptor pilots should get the job done.
xxxak O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:21:00 - [6] Web range is 7.5km unless I am stupid?
Miss Krunk Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:26:00 - [7] Train up a Huginn. Get a 40k (if my math is corrct) range on a webber1 with Recon V.
Dianeces	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:41:00 - [8] Originally by: xxxak Web range is 7.5km unless I am stupid? It's not 7.5km. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Yosarian Manth Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:53:00 - [9] Can't we just add falloff and scripts to webs?
Tsanse Kinske	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:57:00 - [10] Originally by: xxxak Web range is 7.5km unless I am stupid? Have some bad news for ya... * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:58:00 - [11] The day that camps can catch every single target, will be the day camping as a mechanic will be nerfed beyond recognition. Be happy some people get away. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Vanessa Vale Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.24 23:11:00 - [12] Do you have an idea on how many dps a vagabond would do at your proposed 26 km range plus a few km of safety range? 5 light unbonused drones of dps. Do you have an idea on how fast a vagabond dies once it's webbed? Originally by: xxxak Web range is 7.5km unless I am stupid? /facepalm Minmatar Boost Brigade
Zephirz Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2008.03.24 23:20:00 - [13] hehe, funny thread ------------------------- Zephirz [Cr-Se] Founder One year old and going strong
Guillame Herschel The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.24 23:33:00 - [14] I've been looking for some action. What gate do you camp? (checks standings...) *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then. --*
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.03.24 23:39:00 - [15] How about instead, make it so any neutral/enemy ship that jumps into a bubble instantly explodes...
devilrays School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.25 00:30:00 - [16] look dude im glad i cant get every ship is see, and yes by giving bonus to webber u make it harder on every body else, what if a vaga jumped u from inside your system with the range bouneses to webbing you ould never kill him, other part is if he is working with other players that are waiting to jump u are screewed, work with what u have and learn how to catch them thats how eve is played
Julius Romanus Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 01:53:00 - [17] If i posted in a fail thread, would you hold it against me?
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 01:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Julius Romanus If i posted in a fail thread, would you hold it against me? Yes. D'oh! -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Julius Romanus Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 02:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Julius Romanus If i posted in a fail thread, would you hold it against me? Yes. D'oh! -Liang :( What if i posted constructively? Ie large bubble + heavy neut + sensor booster > vaga
Jurgen Cartis Interstellar Corporation of Exploration Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.25 02:57:00 - [20] Originally by: xxxak Web range is 7.5km unless I am stupid? That would be Warp Scramblers. The fact that that is inside 10km (13km overheated) web range has a lot to do with why so few people actually use Warp Scramblers over Warp Disruptors (that and the WCS nerf making lots of spare points unnecessary). Try: A large bubble (T2 if you can), if you can get a Hyena or two that would help, and you could try getting some Remote Sensor Boosters on something with a few Heavy Neuts and some speed fit suicide frigates with webs. Rifters or Vigils would be good at that, tier 2 speed frigates would also work as the bubble partially obviates the typical requirement of MWD/point/web. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.25 02:59:00 - [21] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 25/03/2008 02:59:51 Originally by: Julius Romanus :( What if i posted constructively? Ie large bubble + heavy neut + sensor booster > vaga The correct thing to say is "Fail thread is fail." Forum Trolling IV should be a working minimum for ships&modules. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 03:07:00 - [22] Fact is, a decent Minmatar pilot gets the option to get away and so do some of the faster nanoishtars, curses and the like. It isn't just you or your mates failing, its how the game works. There are measures you can take but you need the correct tools and the correct knowledge to use them. The only way to really trap a speed fitted pilot in the know is with 2 dictors and 2 webbers for each side of the gate and even then they stand a pretty good chance of getting out. Just keep working on it, bubbles, dictors, webbers, neuts etc.. --------------- you all smell!
Julius Romanus Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 03:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 25/03/2008 02:59:51 Originally by: Julius Romanus :( What if i posted constructively? Ie large bubble + heavy neut + sensor booster > vaga The correct thing to say is "Fail thread is fail." Forum Trolling IV should be a working minimum for ships&modules. I'm actually in the midst of working towards aceing my drone skills and tank skills and cap skills and what not just so I can rant more effectively regarding the pilgrim =P No time for taking FT to 4. I do ok with 3 and implants.
Marn Prestoc The Black Mamba's	Posted - 2008.03.25 03:16:00 - [24] I laugh everytime I read a "Boost Web Range" or "Boost Web Power" as a solution to the "nano problem". Web range is deadly for smaller ships vs larger ships, making it more deadly won't stop people nano'ing as there isn't a alternatve for them. Losing 90% (1 web) or 98% (something like that for 2 webs) = even the slowest of tracking large turrets can hit a cruiser for huge damage. Unless you just want to make larger ships even better and make smaller ships quite pointless forget about boosting webs. -
Niffetin Omni Research	Posted - 2008.03.25 05:03:00 - [25] I dont really have any trouble killing nanoships with overloaded Domination Webs. How can you have trouble with them? --- Teeheee! mematar's Video Archive
Weeka Tetragrammaton	Posted - 2008.03.25 05:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Niffetin I dont really have any trouble killing nanoships with overloaded Domination Webs. How can you have trouble with them? dunno... maybe they warp away?
Julius Romanus Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 06:07:00 - [27] Originally by: Weeka Originally by: Niffetin I dont really have any trouble killing nanoships with overloaded Domination Webs. How can you have trouble with them? dunno... maybe they warp away? More often: Web, pop, cry.
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2008.03.25 06:30:00 - [28] Originally by: xxxak Web range is 7.5km unless I am stupid? You said it yourself.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.25 06:39:00 - [29] Originally by: Niffetin I dont really have any trouble killing nanoships with overloaded Domination Webs. How can you have trouble with them? Give to meh... My huginn really wants a pair of Domi's But yeah... my vagabond would cry giant emo tears if I ran into you... ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Grimpak Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 06:41:00 - [30] Originally by: welsh wizard Fact is, a decent Minmatar pilot gets the option to get away and so do some of the faster nanoishtars, curses and the like. It isn't just you or your mates failing, its how the game works. There are measures you can take but you need the correct tools and the correct knowledge to use them. The only way to really trap a speed fitted pilot in the know is with 2 dictors and 2 webbers for each side of the gate and even then they stand a pretty good chance of getting out. Just keep working on it, bubbles, dictors, webbers, neuts etc.. erm... sorry to break on ya welshie, but: Originally by: xxxak Web range is 7.5km unless I am stupid? I think this time, the blame is on him for sure --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards

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