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Scout 99 Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:17:00 - [1] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Darius Brinn The topic at hand, however, is how ganking in High security has a far too high reward/price ratio If it was so rewarding high sec space would look very different from what it is now. When an entity like goonswarm target hulks (just for the thrills) they arent buying their ships at market value. They get them at a much lower cost from their corp/alliance. So when they get their insurance, they will at least be breaking even. Laughing because they know they blew up someones hard earned hulk (in most cases anyway) without losing so much as an ISK. Seem fair to you? Suicide ganks at gates means they get to knock around the pinata hauler for the loot (which they scanned and calculated the profit from killing) and still get their insurance paid out in full. Seem fair to you? Win-win situations for the "we live in a cold and harsh universe" pirates. They whine about carebears, but live in their own carebear world. Gratz... The only people who in any way could think this to be fair, are the ones benefitting (or in my world, exploiting) the game mechanics to live in a carefree world where they get their ISK back when they grief others. Grief you ask? Yes grief, since the receiving end of this treatment can NEVER get back at them - only lose ISK which equals time spent in the game. Its wrong, its flawed, and im actually surprised that CCP still hasnt moved their asses on this subject - or at least provided a new response after the jihadcrap.
Scout 99 Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:36:00 - [2] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Scout 99 When an entity like goonswarm target hulks (just for the thrills) they arent buying their ships at market value. They get them at a much lower cost from their corp/alliance. So when they get their insurance, they will at least be breaking even. Laughing because they know they blew up someones hard earned hulk (in most cases anyway) without losing so much as an ISK. Seem fair to you? Hmm a carebear that dont even understand that stuff you mine is not free. It dont matter if the goon pilot bought the ship or got it from the corp, the ship has the exact same value determined by the market. Let me guess, your the alt of a high sec pirate right? Because you sound just as clueless as one. First of all, the totally lame argument that "stuff you mine is not free" is the same as saying that i should expect to be mugged regularly when i go to and come home from a normal workday. Without the offender staying on criminal record and allowed to keep my wallet/cash. Are you kidding me? Explain to me, in detail and with good arguments, why you think that suiciding miners in high sec (for no profit other than to grief with no ISK loss to the person(s) doing it) should be possible without punishment? And dont give me that "its a harsh blabla" crap. The game design does not take into account that there might be a whole alliance that decide it would be fun exploiting that fact. Fix it CCP.
Scout 99 Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:03:00 - [3] Edited by: Scout 99 on 25/03/2008 18:03:18 Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Scout 99 First of all, the totally lame argument that "stuff you mine is not free" is the same as saying that i should expect to be mugged regularly when i go to and come home from a normal workday. Pathetic really. You cant even respond to what i said other than silly personal attacks. Silly would be me describing you, yes... Im not entirely sure what you are getting at, i said that the goons are breaking even when they suicide gank miners. True/false? They are breaking even instead of making the 20 million isk profit or what are you trying to explain to me? And no, you cant put the numbers up like it suits you, the people suicide ganking do NOT use 100 millions worth of ISK in time. They basically pay 70 million ISK to grief someone and then get their ISK back so they can jump into another ship and grief someone until they are "forced" into lower sec and 0.0 to rat for standing. Im sure that the fact they get to kill miners for no risk nor lose ISK sounds fair to you somehow... I really hope i totally missed your point though, because it made no sense to me... Surprisingly...
Scout 99 Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Esmenet Edited by: Esmenet on 25/03/2008 18:11:52 OK i'll try one last time. If a goon is selling ravens for 70 million to his corpmates instead of for 90 mill on the open market he is loosing 20 mill of profit and giving it to another member of his corp. In other words it dont matter one bit for the goons as a corp if he buys the ship on the market or if he gets it from his corp. Its just movement of wealth within the corp. ... which was never something i wrote about. I said they would break even (in a 'lets gank ships that cant do **** about it and do it for no cost' sense) and they do. I dont care if they make money or move money around. I do care that they get their ISK back (on an individual basis) so they can keep up their antics without any consequence. But thanks for clearing up the fact you brought up economics that are totally irrelevant to this topic. :)
Scout 99 Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Darius Brinn Forget Goons or whatever they are called. It's a discussion about a gaming issue. If you bothered to read the posts you would see it was a direct response to a statement about how much profit goons got from it. No. Let me refresh your memory: Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Scout 99 When an entity like goonswarm target hulks (just for the thrills) they arent buying their ships at market value. They get them at a much lower cost from their corp/alliance. So when they get their insurance, they will at least be breaking even. Laughing because they know they blew up someones hard earned hulk (in most cases anyway) without losing so much as an ISK. Seem fair to you? Hmm a carebear that dont even understand that stuff you mine is not free. It dont matter if the goon pilot bought the ship or got it from the corp, the ship has the exact same value determined by the market. There, i highlighted the important parts for you.
Scout 99 Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Esmenet Lol scout do you even read your own posts. Yes. Do you?

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