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profi Fizzwizzle
SECTOR V
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:31:00 -
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what is difference between pvp and pirating
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Billy Sastard
Life. Universe. Everything.
Rejuvenate
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:37:00 -
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pvp is an overarching term for any player vs player activities, which includes piracy. Piracy is the act of attacking other players in order to either extract a ransom(the 'honorable' way), or blow up their ship and sift through the goods. Either way, piracy ends up being pvp for the purpose of making your wallet grow through violent means.
Other forms of PvP could be anti-piracy, defending/attacking 0.0 space, engaging in war, or even something as simple as competing with other traders in jita or mining out all the rocks in an asteroid belt so that the other guy cant have them.
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Avalon Solaris
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:02:00 -
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Calling trading pvp is like calling arguing fistfighting.
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Billy Sastard
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Avalon Solaris
Calling trading pvp is like calling arguing fistfighting.
I am sorry, but your definition of pvp is rather limited. If you are competing with other people, this is not player vs player? This is not WoW or any of the other games with 'PvP' attached on as some means to go mash other people in the face. ANY time you are competing with another person in any way you are engaging in PvP. While combat is a form of PvP, it is not the be all/end all of PvP.
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Avalon Solaris
Calling trading pvp is like calling arguing fistfighting.
PVP = PLayer vs Player. You can fight against other players without the pewpew.
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Avalon Solaris
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:09:00 -
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So next time I outbid someone in an auction in WOW, I'm engaging in pvp? Call it pvp all you want, there's still a significant difference between attacking real people and building better ships, inventing faster or selling better than they do.
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 26/03/2008 01:09:23
Right. One is combat, one is not. That's the difference.
Both are PVP
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Billy Sastard
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Avalon Solaris
So next time I outbid someone in an auction in WOW, I'm engaging in pvp? Call it pvp all you want, there's still a significant difference between attacking real people and building better ships, inventing faster or selling better than they do.
I hate repeating myself, but here goes...
While combat is a form of PvP, it is not the be-all, end-all of PvP.
It really is sad that the state of gaming being what it is that the only form of competition that is allowed to be labeled PvP is physical aggression
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Avalon Solaris
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:17:00 -
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Not disagreeing with you, just saying that calling trading pvp is like calling arguing fistfighting:)
Gonna go pvp at http://www.questrade.com now:)
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Billy Sastard
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Avalon Solaris
Not disagreeing with you, just saying that calling trading pvp is like calling arguing fistfighting:)
Gonna go pvp at http://www.questrade.com now:)
Your analogy is flawed... You are basing it on the flawed assumption that pvp can only be combat. Arguing is a verbal competition, the more refined form being called debating. And yes it is LIKE fistfighting, but according to your analogy, they cannot both be considered competition, as the only way you can compete is by mashing each other in the face
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Pierre Dumonte
Aurora Security
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.26 04:04:00 -
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just to troll for a flame....
by your definition poker is pvp, hockey is pvp, playin the stock market is pvp
the OP wanted to know the difference between piracy and pvp. there is none in the purest sense, however many pirates say they are simply pvpers. A Pirate is someone who plays the role of villain and prey's on those weaker than himself, then mocks that person when he/she cannot defend themselves adequately. Pirates are also those that camp at gates in low sec preying on travelers and traders with heavy interdictors and capital ships.
a pirate is therefore a pvper but lives on the dark side
a pvper is someone who engages in pvp combat but does so for a more 'angelic' reason
rambling now so i'll stop
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Billy Sastard
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.03.26 04:20:00 -
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Well, I am going to stick to my guns on my stand here, and if you do a bit of research you will find that the people who make this wonderful game share this idea...
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.03.26 05:41:00 -
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I agree with Billy. The market is just as much an arena for PvP as any other place. Look at the number of people who have made billions of ISK vs those who make nothing or lose a lot. As long as you're competing against another player, whether it be with weapons, resource collection/manipulation, or trading, you're engaging in PvP.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Sarah Tairnesh
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 06:12:00 -
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I do agree that most activities in EVE are a competition, but so are most activities in other games. With this definition, even WoW is largely a PvP game. In WoW you can mine (and in areas with more expensive ores this often comes down to being faster than somebody else), there's the same competition in the Auction House and even fulfilling quests or purely grinding often leads to conflict with other players as they want to kill the same mobs.
Now... What is the difference between these activities and the same activities in EVE that make EVE a PvP based game and WoW a game with a little PvP on the side?
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Beliandra
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.26 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard
..or even something as simple as competing with other traders in jita..
Quoting the first reply in the hope that some people who didn't read it properly the first time might read it now.
Billy didn't say "trading is PvP". He said "competing with other traders" is a form of PvP.
Is it PvP to buy a cargohold full of tritanium for 2.50 isk a piece and sell it a few jumps away for 2.60? Of course not.
Is it PvP to ruthlessly manipulate the pricing of a particular commodity in order to demoralize and drive off other traders who have been speculating in it? I would argue that it is. And you can do that without ever undocking.
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Qutan
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.26 06:29:00 -
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Being a pirate is great fun, and at first looks easy but a life of crime will limit your life in eve with no go zones anti pirates concord always on your back not to mention keeping yourself supported with ships and modules many do well but its very hard work being a good self supporting pirate and its hard to go back .
To answer your question pvp is any fight between players and it is possible to keep a clean criminal record ,being a pirate is pvp when it gets you a criminal record there is a whole culture and codes used with pirating .
Not a pirate I just love the 
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.26 07:14:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Starbreaker on 26/03/2008 07:14:04
PVP is any time that at least part of the fun comes not from the reward you get, but from the satisfaction of beating the other guy. Thus consensual duels in a tournament with your corpmates is not PVP (because it's fun for everybody, everybody wins), but ninja salvaging somebody's mission in highsec and squeezing the tears out of him is PVP.
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Ashireka
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.03.27 23:02:00 -
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"PvP" has generally been used in the industry to refer to combat, but the idea that PvP could also mean any time you're competing with another real player is also correct.
The distinction is found on several other MMOs, where there are "PvP zones" or "PvP servers", referring to the fact that you can fight against other players there -- but that distinction does not mean that on the non-PvP servers you're not competing with other players in a market environment.
To be fair, this is the only game community I've seen that talks about the in-game economy as "PvP", although I absolutely agree that it is a form of PvP -- it's not what most people coming new to the game will recognize.
-Ash
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Jitabug
Salvage Junkies
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Posted - 2008.03.28 02:30:00 -
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PVP is for fun.
Piracy is for Isk.
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Mr'Pink
Wombat inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ashireka
"PvP" has generally been used in the industry to refer to combat, but the idea that PvP could also mean any time you're competing with another real player is also correct.
The distinction is found on several other MMOs, where there are "PvP zones" or "PvP servers", referring to the fact that you can fight against other players there -- but that distinction does not mean that on the non-PvP servers you're not competing with other players in a market environment.
To be fair, this is the only game community I've seen that talks about the in-game economy as "PvP", although I absolutely agree that it is a form of PvP -- it's not what most people coming new to the game will recognize.
-Ash
Amen
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