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Ioci	Posted - 2008.03.26 04:10:00 - [1] A Raven in .7 sec. No concord on the scene untill after the fact. You guys are pathetic CCP. Why don't you turn dev side over to open source hobbyists and admit you have no control over this game.
Arthur Frayn	Posted - 2008.03.26 04:11:00 - [2] That was your first BS, wasn't it? Oh, and welcome to Eve. -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.
Uzuness	Posted - 2008.03.26 04:11:00 - [3] This is why I don't leave station.. and only play for 15 minutes a day.
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.26 04:19:00 - [4] Any ship can be suicide ganked given enough numbers. How many people were on your KM? ...
Angelonico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.03.26 04:37:00 - [5] Can I have your... oh nevermind.
Ralara D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.26 04:38:00 - [6] Dude, freighters can be destroyed before concord shows up... -- Ralara / Ralarina
Pink Lemonade Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 06:08:00 - [7] so ... what did you fit it with?
Alexi Zhukov Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 06:50:00 - [8] Sorry to hear about your loss. Concord is there to punish those that break the law, not necessarily prevent players from committing them. High sec space simply means people will find a high amount of security in that space. There is no absolute "secure" space, only levels of high and higher security. I believe what you're looking for is a PVE server, but those don't exist here. If you're really worried about suicide gankers, my best suggestion for you is to stay in 1.0 territory, as you'll find Concord's repsonse times better than in a 0.7 Originally by: CCP Hammer If I could only afford ú50 to spend I would spend it on beer.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.26 07:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Ioci A Raven in .7 sec. No concord on the scene untill after the fact. You guys are pathetic CCP. Why don't you turn dev side over to open source hobbyists and admit you have no control over this game. They do have total control over the game. They WANT you to lose your ship. The attacker then lose theirs. And a bit of security rating. And that's all. Seriously, read the knowledge base. CONCORD is not there to SAVE you from the suicide-gankers, but to PUNISH THEM after the fact. It was never intended for CONCORD to save you from everybody, just from the very weak attackers. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.26 07:13:00 - [10] Edited by: Riho on 26/03/2008 07:14:03 Originally by: Ioci A Raven in .7 sec. No concord on the scene untill after the fact. You guys are pathetic CCP. Why don't you turn dev side over to open source hobbyists and admit you have no control over this game. CONCORD DOES NOT PROTECT YOU, ONLY PUNISHES PEOPLE WHO ENGAGE IN ILLEGAL ACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EDIT: YOU ARE NOT SAFE ANYWHERE, EXCEPT IN A STATION !!!!!!!! i hope this is clear to all who sofar havent understood the game :P all perfectly legal... stop flying CNRs whit 10bil in fittings.... damn carebears ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.26 07:19:00 - [11] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 26/03/2008 07:19:13 Originally by: Ioci A Raven in .7 sec. No concord on the scene untill after the fact. You guys are pathetic CCP. Why don't you turn dev side over to open source hobbyists and admit you have no control over this game. Come on guys this is really old hat at this point. 1/10 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Ioci A Raven in .7 sec. No concord on the scene untill after the fact. You guys are pathetic CCP. Why don't you turn dev side over to open source hobbyists and admit you have no control over this game. They do have total control over the game. They WANT you to lose your ship. The attacker then lose theirs. And a bit of security rating. And that's all. Seriously, read the knowledge base. CONCORD is not there to SAVE you from the suicide-gankers, but to PUNISH THEM after the fact. It was never intended for CONCORD to save you from everybody, just from the very weak attackers. QFFT in case OP was serious.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.26 07:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Come on guys this is really old hat at this point. 1/10 Smart troll vs genuine idiot, who can tell the difference these days ? Since the smart trolls have taken a percentual dive compared to the genuine idiots, I guess it's safe to assume the latter. Which, of course, empowers the smart trolls even more, to some degree. But then again, they get lost in the mass of pre-exisying flames anyway, so there's even less of an incentive to bother. sigh 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.03.26 07:51:00 - [13] Concord punish the attacker? LOL..not really. The attacker loses about nothing. Remove insurance and we can talk about punishment from concord. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Ghost Riderr Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 10:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Shintai Concord punish the attacker? LOL..not really. The attacker loses about nothing. Remove insurance and we can talk about punishment from concord. I agree, there is no real punishment when they lose no isk, and sec. stat means nothing for these guys
Emily Spankratchet Pragmatics	Posted - 2008.03.26 10:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Shintai Concord punish the attacker? LOL..not really. The attacker loses about nothing. Remove insurance and we can talk about punishment from concord. Yes, Concord punish the attacker. They destroy their ship. This is punishment. Now, as to whether Pend Insurance unfairly recompense the attacker, you may have a point. But that has nothing to do with Concord. Oh, and to the OP: *ENOUGH WITH THE BLOODY SUICIDE GANK THREADS ALREADY. WE KNOW, AND WE MAY OR MAY NOT SHARE YOUR PAIN.*
Danui United Titans Of Progress	Posted - 2008.03.26 10:32:00 - [16] can someone from CCP close these threads please :S they are poluting the forums. I really don't get people don't get it that even in high sec they can loose their ship... On big RTFM for all the people who whine about loosing a ship to pirates Eve-online guide collection Web based version
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.26 10:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Ioci A Raven in .7 sec. No concord on the scene untill after the fact. You guys are pathetic CCP. Why don't you turn dev side over to open source hobbyists and admit you have no control over this game. They have control over the game. They want this sort of thing to happen. it's in the bloody manual. RTFM? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Roy Batty68 Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:10:00 - [18] Let's see the killmail. Edit out the names. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:27:00 - [19] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 26/03/2008 11:27:12 Originally by: Ioci A Raven in .7 sec. No concord on the scene untill after the fact. You guys are pathetic CCP. Why don't you turn dev side over to open source hobbyists and admit you have no control over this game. As in real life Police dont show up before AFTER the crime. So why should not CONCORD show up in same manner? As in after the crime is done? The real difference though is that in EVE the Police always gets their criminal. If they dont, the player have cheated and wil get a warning/Ban. Police in real life I am sorry to say dont have the same statistics.. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Lorna Loot Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:41:00 - [20] OMG THE SKY IS FALLING I GOT KILLED AND IM CRYING ABOUT IT WAHHHHHHHH.... THE INTERWEB POLICE DIDNT SAVE MY INTERWEB PIXELS AND IM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE WHOLE WORLD IS AGAINST ME AND ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY... CCP DO SOMETHING AS YOU DONT CONTROL YOUR OWN GAME THAT YOU MADE AND CAN DO ANYTHING WITH AT ANY POINT. I'M GOING TO GO AND CANCEL MY HUNDRED ACCOUNTS AND STICK IT TO THE MAN! --------------------- Nox Eternus is Recruiting, contact me or Sgt Shazz ingame for info.
facepalm johnson Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:44:00 - [21] Ioci, sticking a locator agent on your peachy arse as we speak.
Barzam School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:45:00 - [22] When will people realize these "OMGILOSTDIECCP"-threads are all troll threads? They are most likely written by Goons to get attention to drive some goal they have of forcing CCP to change the game somehow.
Dro The SMITE Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:09:00 - [23] its part of the game... someone commits a crime (blowing up your ship), concord respond(blow up there ship) end of story. What do you expect? concord to pull them over before hand on suspicion of future suicide ganking? In most normal curcumstances the police dont arrest people for crimes untill after they happen so why would eve be any different?
Cailais VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Barzam When will people realize these "OMGILOSTDIECCP"-threads are all troll threads? They are most likely written by Goons to get attention to drive some goal they have of forcing CCP to change the game somehow. Yup. That much was obvious days ago. C. Improved Low Sec Idea!!
Zantrei Kordisin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:50:00 - [25] I fail to see a problem.
The TX Earth Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Riho YOU ARE NOT SAFE ANYWHERE, EXCEPT IN A STATION !!!!!!!! REALLY? OMFGQUICKNERFIT! MAKEPEOPLEINSTATIONSGANKABLENOWORI'LLCANCELMYELEVENTYTWELVEACCOUNTS! YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TX'S ATTENTION SEEKING SIGNATURE www.txdp.co.uk
Neila Mei Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:01:00 - [27] There's obvious problems with suicide ganking when it comes to insurance payout. Doesn't make sense insurance company would pay for people losing their ships while doing something illegal. Furthermore. Security status system is a joke. Only people being under -5 are people living in low sec or some hardcore pirates who want to be flashing red. In my opinion a guy engaging into illegal combat in high security system should be flashing red somewhat permanently pretty fast. They're obviously pirates shooting other ships...
Amarth Thargan Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:30:00 - [28] The solution to this is simple. a) use search to look up similar topics involving suicide ganking, instead of keep on creating you're own wee little thread. Those that visit this forum have allready read other or made their own complaint about it. There is nothing special about you so you can just as easily agree or disagree with the rest of us. b) as no proper computer related company should ever trust in the willingness of user to comply. Make a script that automerges all these "suicide gank"-threads in one big mother thread. I'm a big fat lazy carebear myself, but please i beg thee (like a good cb) don't create anymore threads like this. I'm at work, bored or either stressed and I need to be entertained here! This like watching reruns of a show with a good script but bad acting. I don't like this. I feel thread-ganked.
Ioci Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Arthur Frayn That was your first BS, wasn't it? Oh, and welcome to Eve. No wise azz, I fly Amarr. This was some guy running missions between systems. No!!! Say it aint so! Someone who actually pays attention to other people beyond the ones they are targeting!! Originally by: Uzuness This is why I don't leave station.. and only play for 15 minutes a day. You are kidding right? It doesn make me wonder why in gods green earth anyone actually pays for this game though. Macro that puppy up and paying in ISk makes perfect sense now. Your just fodder for the sociopaths anyway. The whole Concord mechanics was put in to declare certain areas of the game 'safe'. Then came T2 and it became Obselete. Make T2 Concord and T2 Sentry guns and chill on the R&D 'exclusive' illusion and people won't cluster **** the game. Do you want me to write the code for you too CCP?
Ioci Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:46:00 - [30] Originally by: Lorna Loot OMG THE SKY IS FALLING I GOT KILLED AND IM CRYING ABOUT IT WAHHHHHHHH.... THE INTERWEB POLICE DIDNT SAVE MY INTERWEB PIXELS AND IM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE WHOLE WORLD IS AGAINST ME AND ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY... CCP DO SOMETHING AS YOU DONT CONTROL YOUR OWN GAME THAT YOU MADE AND CAN DO ANYTHING WITH AT ANY POINT. I'M GOING TO GO AND CANCEL MY HUNDRED ACCOUNTS AND STICK IT TO THE MAN! OMG u are so full of **** your eyes are brown. OMG I didn't get killed. I watched someone else. OMG, you assumed. Welcome to Eve anti anything that doesn't start with Me Me Me
Erik Amirault GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:48:00 - [31] I was the one who killed you. Your loot was so bad I just destroyed the can afterward.
Billy Sastard Life. Universe. Everything. Rejuvenate	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:51:00 - [32] Originally by: Ioci The whole Concord mechanics was put in to declare certain areas of the game 'safe'. You are wrong. Not 'safe', the term you are looking for is 'safer', and yes hisec IS safer, you don't see every gate camped by hordes of smartbombing hacs and bcs do you? Noob systems are not full of people splattering all the rookie ships as soon as they undock are they? Yea there is SOME suicide ganking going on, but thats part of the rules, and it is part of CCP's design. CONCORD is there to punish people who do bad things, and they do their job just fine. If you do not like the way the game works, go play something else, as EVE is not the place for you. -=^=-
Pithecanthropus Republic University	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:56:00 - [33] why is this game filled with idiots?... and I'm not speaking about the op.
Johli AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:57:00 - [34] I vote that we have a blinding, neon like banner on the login screen from now on that says "EMPIRE SPACE IS NOT SAFE", and you need to type it twelve times over and over again until you can login.
Heimer Republic University	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:44:00 - [35] ...iN mIxED CasE -- and you have to match the case of each letter to get in.
Clinically ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:52:00 - [36] Awww the prudy ship went kaboom. Wanna hug? ________________ Originally by: Evil Thug I wear pink panties.
Ratuu Warspite Developments	Posted - 2008.03.26 23:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Ioci Originally by: Lorna Loot [red]OMG .......(lots of red (which I can't recreate for whatever reason) writing which hurt my eyes [RED] OMG u are so full of **** your eyes are brown. OMG I didn't get killed. I watched someone else. OMG, you assumed. Welcome to Eve anti anything that doesn't start with Me Me Me So, what maybe DID happen was... ...Someone responded to a can flip and lost their ship (the raven) ...The person who set them up (shot them for looting a can or whatever) then accidently podded them out of pure blood lust. ...CONCORD didn't like this so turned up to kill the nasty wabbit for shooting the raven owner's pod. ...You saw this and thought "OMG WTF some dude lost a raven and CONCORD were slow.." ...You thought you'd act in righteous indignation and post about it. ...Nobody appeared to give a damm so you thought you'd slag them off (although I agree the red wall of letters was overkill). That's my take on events given the facts presented thus far... any further clues???
Silent Samuel New Eden Research and Construction	Posted - 2008.03.26 23:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Pithecanthropus why is this game filled with idiots?... and I'm not speaking about the op. I blame steam and wow..
gfldex Kabelkopp	Posted - 2008.03.26 23:24:00 - [39] Originally by: Ioci OMG I didn't get killed. I watched someone else. You even failed to lose your ship? Please, for the love of god, quit EVE. -- There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
Kagura Nikon Infinity Enterprises Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.03.26 23:30:00 - [40] Originally by: Shintai Concord punish the attacker? LOL..not really. The attacker loses about nothing. Remove insurance and we can talk about punishment from concord. really? then you lost nothign too. Because you got insurance too. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
SchirmerN x13	Posted - 2008.03.26 23:57:00 - [41] Originally by: Ioci A Raven in .7 sec. No concord on the scene untill after the fact. You guys are pathetic CCP. Why don't you turn dev side over to open source hobbyists and admit you have no control over this game. Someone gank this dude!
Ioci Ioci Exploration Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Billy Sastard Originally by: Ioci The whole Concord mechanics was put in to declare certain areas of the game 'safe'. You are wrong. Not 'safe', the term you are looking for is 'safer', and yes hisec IS safer, you don't see every gate camped by hordes of smartbombing hacs and bcs do you? Noob systems are not full of people splattering all the rookie ships as soon as they undock are they? Yea there is SOME suicide ganking going on, but thats part of the rules, and it is part of CCP's design. CONCORD is there to punish people who do bad things, and they do their job just fine. If you do not like the way the game works, go play something else, as EVE is not the place for you. Rubbish. Utter and absolute rubbish. Hey I know. Lets put roaming black ops Concord fleets in Nul sec to slap the pee rats around. Then we will see who the real cry babies are in Eve. Let them have about 5% chance to evade. That's 5% more chance people have of surviving safe sec gank fleets. I'm betting the boards will fill up with thousands of whiner threads.
Ioci Ioci Exploration Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:24:00 - [43] Originally by: SchirmerN Originally by: Ioci A Raven in .7 sec. No concord on the scene untill after the fact. You guys are pathetic CCP. Why don't you turn dev side over to open source hobbyists and admit you have no control over this game. Someone gank this dude! Well said. Someone. But not you, chicken ****.
Marcus TheMartin Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Ioci Originally by: SchirmerN Originally by: Ioci A Raven in .7 sec. No concord on the scene untill after the fact. You guys are pathetic CCP. Why don't you turn dev side over to open source hobbyists and admit you have no control over this game. Someone gank this dude! Well said. Someone. But not you, chicken ****. Shut up you docked in station toughguy
nihlanth Nut House Dark Taboo	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:46:00 - [45] The trolls have grown fat and cranky today I see.
Skebet Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.27 06:42:00 - [46] Watching someone else lose a Raven is "new heights"? I hope this is a troll. Really.
Terminus adacai Auroran PeaceKeepers Northern Regions Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 07:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Danui can someone from CCP close these threads please :S they are poluting the forums. I really don't get people don't get it that even in high sec they can loose their ship... On big RTFM for all the people who whine about loosing a ship to pirates There is a reason that there are so many gank threads. Open your mind and think about it. I have never been ganked, nor intend to. I do not AFK haul or mine. I am however fed up with a game mechanic that rewards gankers with an insurance payout. Where is their risk vs reward? Obviously the hauler or miner is working for their reward. How does getting reimbursed for a concord kill of a ship equal risk? How many gankers are using main accounts? Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Danui United Titans Of Progress	Posted - 2008.03.27 07:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Terminus adacai There is a reason that there are so many gank threads. Open your mind and think about it. I have never been ganked, nor intend to. I do not AFK haul or mine. I am however fed up with a game mechanic that rewards gankers with an insurance payout. Where is their risk vs reward? Obviously the hauler or miner is working for their reward. How does getting reimbursed for a concord kill of a ship equal risk? How many gankers are using main accounts? Well, if people were a bit more smarter and taking care of their ship, took some advice from the many guides in the beginners section, i believe empire safe would be a much safer place. It is because the gankers find so many easy prey, they do it. Eve-online guide collection Web based version
Zeveron Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.27 09:37:00 - [49] Edited by: Zeveron on 27/03/2008 09:38:04 remove insurance payout when a ship is destroyed from concord. Problem solved Concord is there not to protect you but to punish the attackers. The problem is that the punishment is non existant atm.
Lara Renquist The Phoenix Confederacy Raging Phoenix Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 09:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Shintai Concord punish the attacker? LOL..not really. The attacker loses about nothing. Remove insurance and we can talk about punishment from concord. really? then you lost nothign too. Because you got insurance too. Oh dear.... you are cluelles aren't you?
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.27 09:58:00 - [51] Originally by: Zeveron Edited by: Zeveron on 27/03/2008 09:38:04 remove insurance payout when a ship is destroyed from concord. Problem solved Concord is there not to protect you but to punish the attackers. The problem is that the punishment is non existant atm. Problem? What problem? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.27 10:04:00 - [52] Originally by: Ioci on 19th March 08 Suicide Ganking, mission griefing. In game, I have never been exposed to these things. I don't Autopilot. It makes no sense. I have made 30 jump destinations in 20 minutes to half an hr. Old school players have thier Nav skills from the days when bookmark runs were the standard and you needed to make the 15 km runs. So warping out is your only risk and if you want to be a hauler, be a Navigator. This will void much of the risk. Missions. I've done fleet missions where 5 of us went in and did our level 4. I have solo ran hundreds of 3's. I have never had anyone warp to my mission. I suspect these are as random as solo peerats in null and just enough of a nuisance to say they are one. I will also accuse CCP of 'checking out' player activity. That is of course an unsupported accusation but I don't care Rolling Eyes. All too often it's way too convenient seeing a gank group show up in a sys, be in your belt in 10 secs. Web, scram and jam you in under a minute. It reminds me alot of the days when Yahoo chat was fun and in 5 minutes your successfull chat became a spam fest. Need to keep the traffic moving, keep the ad banners rolling. Back to the point. Farm for a while, flip toons, do it somewhere else. I can't do more than 3 Level 3 before it gets old. Never had an incursion. So farmers are the ones getting the grief and I think it's design. If there is a player base that actively do this.. god, get a life. That would be so boring. I'm sure these problems are real. Very minimal but real. All in all though, not that abundant and not a serious issue. Not to suggest these things aren't issues. It still needs to be put into perspective. Most of Eve can't relate. Classic -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Sarkkon Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.27 10:06:00 - [53] The OP failed to mention the "raven" in question was piloted by one asdfasdsdsd(this was a random keyboard spam, any similarity to real player in game just means there are too many keyboard spam names) with over 8 billion ISK in faction fitings. The OP needs to realize that these items need to be liberated from the dirty clutches of "always on" accounts played in shifts by farmers involved in violating the EULA by a real money ISK trade. While its unfortunate, cramming 8bil + ISK onto a single ship, even a battleship is inviting trouble. Suicide gank is a NECESARY part of EVE. Not for taking fitings from the stupid, but, how to fix that idiot that smacktalks, steals and hides but is easy to find when NOT flagged and never leaves his cozy carebear NPC corp? Do you want CCP to make it impossible for you to do anything to him? Dont worry so much about the other guy, the only issue i have with the suicide gankers is alot of these are disposable alt accoutns that are replaced when sec is too low to be usefull. Concords response time has been increased twice since i started playing EVE, the NUMBER and strength of gate sentries has also been increased. STOP the nerf whining already.... STOP IT

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