Originally by: G0rF

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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... completely ignoring the recent murder of over one hundred thousand slaves elsewhere.

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Ignore: To be Ignorant of. To be unaware of. To be uninformed of.

So, Blake. Inform us.

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Originally by: Kohiko Sun

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Edited by: Kohiko Sun on 26/03/2008 11:48:26
Admiral Blake,

While the deaths you show are the most ill of fortunes, a flaw can be found in your logic and argument from this even as you hedge your bets. You base your moral argument on the willful and decided placement of captives within military installations.

While the Defiants' weapons destroyed those places and are, medically speaking, the cause of death, it is the orders of the Seventh Fleet's officers that placed civilians in harm's path; one does not need to deliver the killing blow to be a murderer. Indeed, it can be said that certain unenlightened Amarrians hold responsibility for two tragedies in such a short period.

Do not use a case of negligent homicide committed by Amarrians against slaves to attempt distraction from a separate case of negligent homicide committed by Amarrians against slaves. There is shame in such simple tricks.

I ask you permit this matter to not be clouded any further.

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Originally by: Renata Enila

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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Exactly the response I expected.

In the view of the Electus Matari, it's perfectly acceptable to knowingly murder slaves if you can manage to murder a lower number of Amarrians at the same time.

Truly disgusting.

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It is not the fault of Electus Matari that their enemies are so cowardly that they hide behind the innocent lives of their Kin. Should the Matari people cease our struggle for freedom because of this cowardice? We cannot to that.
Even though it is a terrible, heart-breaking thing to be the cause of the death of some of our own people, we cannot stop our struggle for freedom because our enemies hide behind their slaves; that would be the end of Hope.

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Originally by: Renata Enila

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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These aren't hostages that we're talking about. These aren't human shields.

These were Minmatars and Ealurians doing valuable work. They would have been doing that work regardless of whether or not an attack was happening.

Tell me, to release a single slave, how many other slaves are you willing to murder?

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They were still put there in the midst of a war zone. Tell me, would you have put Amarrian workers on that station, knowing the great risk of an attack?

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Originally by: Renata Enila

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Make up your mind, Pilot Blake.

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Originally by: Renata Enila

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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Secondly, twenty thousand Amarrians also died in that attack.

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Good.

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Originally by: Arderich

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While reading the statement of the OP I saw a lot of marked similarities compared to the agitator from Kuhri. Evanda seems to believe just because Minmatar have "two eyes, a nose, a mouth" and other things they would be somewhat equal. It appears that this new school of thought, this new Minmatar propaganda is build upon the ridiculous idea of equality. It is highly amusing that this school of thought comes from people who are known for their individuality.

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Originally by: Evanda Char

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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What I find interesting is the gusto with which the anti-slavery brigade have denounced the activities of these two holders whilst completely ignoring the recent murder of over one hundred thousand slaves elsewhere.

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Well, given the direct experience we've had of Amarr loyalists not so much using human shields, as stuffing their holds with slaves just to hurt and punish those who oppose you, I have to agree with those in this thread who point out that stuffing the ADCs full of slaves was a decision made on the Amarr side.

If you truly wish to redeem them so very much, why not protect them until they reach enlightenment, rather than using them as fleshly sandbags for your own-blooded officers to hide behind?

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Originally by: Esna Pitoojee

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Edited by: Esna Pitoojee on 26/03/2008 21:00:18
For some time, I have observed this matter from the sidelines, choosing to see what path the Theology Council chose. Now, I can openly say that I am ashamed by the actions of my government concerning this matter.

I must say at this point (to ward off any misconseptions about my statements) that I do not - and cannot - support those such as Electus Matari or The Defiants who would see the Empire totally destroyed. However, neither can I ignore the horrible situation to which those Matari enslaved aboard those two Bestowers were subjected.

Religious matters aside, it simply makes little sense to subject Matari to such horrors. Whether you are looking at simple monetary loss incurred by such actions, considering the disaster that this has caused in inter-empire relations, or, like me, you believe that even those who have been enslaved by the Empire are still deserving of human rights, you can see that this has caused no good for the Empire.

So, I hope that other Holders will refrain from further acts such as this, and I must apologize - yes, apologize - for the judgement of the Theology Council. If the Amarr Empire has come to this, then it has fallen in more ways than military might - we have lost any moral statutes that we may have held.

I will likely be targeted due to my statements here. I may even be attacked and destroyed in my capsule, but I will not recind my statements. If the Amarrian religion has one that all peoples and cultures can agree on, it is the tenet of not backing down from something you truly believe in because there is danger involved in holding that position.

A side note: Several other Amarrians whom I have spoken to have expressed similar sentements concerning the issue.

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