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Evanda Char Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.26 04:49:00 - [1] Regarding the Theology Council's judgement in the case of the 10,000 men abandoned at Narai III - Moon 1 - Ardishapur Family Bureau. Once again, we see the laws of Amarr turning a blind eye to wrongs committed by their own people. As they ignored the evidence we brough to light against Imperial Transport, so now they ignore the anguish of 10,000 people. People left to suffer and die by the hundreds, abandoned and trapped inside two Bestowers. Left to suffer so because Amarr law allows these people to be treated as property. To be treated as livestock. To be treated as something less than human. People of Amarr, look at yourselves. Look at yourselves in the mirror and tell me that you don't see two eyes, a nose, a mouth, the little lines and shadows worked by time and feeling, etched upon your face. Tell me you can't see them upon a Matari either. Tell me you can't see them on the Ni Kunni. Tell me you didn't see them on the Udorians, the Eularians, and on every other race and individual that the Empire has crushed and enslaved, degraded and reduced to the bitter status of animals. Tell me they don't think as you do. Tell me they don't dream. Tell me they are incapable of fear and suffering, that the terror of being shut away in the dark in a stifling press of confined bodies, of only knowing the dead when their bodies go cold... Tell me that their fear is somehow less than yours would be. Then explain to me how this is just, in the eyes of God. Look at those two men, leaving ten thousand to rot while they bicker still over a bet, and tell me how they are God's chosen. Yet the only man who is punished is the one who brought aid to those suffering. Jaghard Fulgamon, dismissed from his post and mysteriously vanished. Emperor Heideran took the first steps towards the ultimate cessation of slavery. He died. Emperor Doriam II followed in his footsteps. He died. Now, in this time without an Emperor, the Theology Council pushes an agenda that returns to the dehumanisation and cruelty of the first days of the Reclaiming. The ten thousand human beings on board those ships mean nothing to them. There will be no justice for them. There will be no God, no salvation, for any slave held in the Empire. Because the agenda is not redemption. It is conquest. It is glorification for those at the top of the heap, and pacification for those at the bottom, who need not feel exploited because there is someone beneath them. There are slaves. Originally by: "Holder Athakus Penn" "The Empire is faced with a slave shortage the likes of which we haven't seen in generations." These are not the words of a man concerned about the number of people needing salvation. It is the voice of economics, the voice of pride. These are the words of a man looking at a saleable commodity, nothing more - "goods" to be sold to those who cannot bring themselves to pay a workforce honestly. The "holy work" of slavery is no more than a lie you have been lulled into believing. It's a nice piece of PR. A slightly more palatable defence for the rest of the cluster. What it's not, is true. Even the Theology Council will not act to defend it; not when the choice is between their own blood, and that of "lesser" humans. Where is the nurturing, the encouragement of development, for the dead, for those driven mad by the experience? There isn't any. There simply never was. So to every owner of slaves in Amarr, to every soul out there with a spark of human kindness, to every pilot, holder, factory owner, mine supervisor, anyone who holds a human life in their hands: Let my people go. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Andreus Ixiris Heretic Logistics DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.03.26 04:58:00 - [2] Evanda, I sympathise most wholeheartedly with your statements, but I fear that they will, as always, fall upon deaf ears. Those who take your anti-slavery stance, such as the Ushra'Khan, the Federation and I, already agree that these conditions are utterly unacceptable, but most Amarr are unwilling to listen. ----- CEO, Heretic Logistics
Tyr Vaantau Synthetic Frontiers Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.26 05:00:00 - [3] She is right, you know. I'm not ashamed to say it anymore. ------
Ikasu Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.03.26 05:36:00 - [4] I try to get along with Ammarrians on the IGS, to be civil, to treat them with respect. However, it is these acts that occasionally remind me why my sub conscious bites at me, telling me their deeds can't be ignored. No, I wont change my attitude, but it's obvious that this kind of violent and downright evil acts need to stop. I don't care what you Amarr claim you're doing to help these people, as by evil by your own morals this is wrong. These people weren't brought to a higher understanding, let to an enjoyable life, died happy knowing they were pure and without drugs or sin. No, they died because of a BET that was far more corrupt then ANYTHING you'd find common in Gallente space. You tell me this isn't an act of Tyranny and Evil and i'll tell you where my Grandma buried the great Intakian treasure of hokamonium-bo-languian. Which may or may not exist. --------------------------------------------------
Shern Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.26 06:24:00 - [5] The Theology Council's findings are deeply distressing. It's not my place to speak out - but - I hope they had very good reasons. Holder Athakus Penn, looking at the news article, has expressed a different and I feel the correct view. Letting 10,000 people die and then trying to bury the incident under red tape feels like a slap in the face to God's trust in us.
Evanda Char Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.26 06:29:00 - [6] Originally by: Shern Holder Athakus Penn, looking at the news article, has expressed a different and I feel the correct view. Letting 10,000 people die and then trying to bury the incident under red tape feels like a slap in the face to God's trust in us. His statement about a "shortage of slaves" doesn't sound to me like he was very concerned about God at all. Just about who was going to get his products on the shelves. Do you not agree? -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Saraith Narr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.26 07:44:00 - [7] Quote: Because the agenda is not redemption. It is conquest. Really? Perhaps you could explain why so many slave races have been redeemed if this is the case. Races like my own.
Julius Avitus Ordo Crucis Argenteus	Posted - 2008.03.26 07:44:00 - [8] Technically, while the Theology Council found no religious law broken, I would not personally wonder if their liege lords would find both the holders to have acted against their duties and best interest in a way that would warrant the removal of at least some of their privileges. There's more to Amarr than the Church, if you did not know. But that said, I am no one to tell what to do to my betters.
Shern Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.26 07:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Evanda Char His statement about a "shortage of slaves" doesn't sound to me like he was very concerned about God at all. Just about who was going to get his products on the shelves. Do you not agree? I think that the Holder said what he could. Some Holders can come over as a bit cold. No matter what the lawyers think, 10,000 people dead, left to rot in a dingy bestower is an evil thing. We in the Empire and Mandate have to face up to that to grow with God.
Nicoletta Mithra Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.26 08:56:00 - [10] The sad truth is, that all this stopped to be a juridical case the very moment it reached the news and started to be a case of politics this very moment. This altered the situation. With this being politics, it was about bowing down to the demands of outside forces or not. Nobody should be surprised of the Theology Councils tough stance on this, really.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.26 10:06:00 - [11] The Theology Council has made its decision, and we should all respect that. I hope that Merdaneth's recent offer to buy the debt now offers an honourable way out for all parties. What I find interesting is the gusto with which the anti-slavery brigade have denounced the activities of these two holders whilst completely ignoring the recent murder of over one hundred thousand slaves elsewhere. But then, double standards from the enemies of the Empire are hardly surprising any more. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Lord Murkon SPCS	Posted - 2008.03.26 10:15:00 - [12] The Theology Council decision is correct and just under our laws. As they said... "The ownership of slaves is a right given to the Amarr by God and it is not for the Theology Council to interfere in this case." Clearly while I do not condone the actions of these two individuals nor their treatment of the slaves in question I do recognize the correctness of the decision. Actions such as those taken by these two slave holders is completely legal and reinforces why an organization like the SPCS exists to educate and recommend safe treatment guidelines for slaves. I dare say all those who advocate the end of the SPCS would support all slaves being treated like this. We seek to ensure Enlightenment and the proper humane care for our charges. Were it not for groups like ours working to further the directive of the late Emperor that slaves be treated humanely we would see events like this on a daily basis. Lord Murkon SPCS CEO SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
G0rF The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Rodj Blake ... completely ignoring the recent murder of over one hundred thousand slaves elsewhere. Ignore: To be Ignorant of. To be unaware of. To be uninformed of. So, Blake. Inform us. Oopsy, deleted my sig!
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:16:00 - [14] Originally by: G0rF Originally by: Rodj Blake ... completely ignoring the recent murder of over one hundred thousand slaves elsewhere. Ignore: To be Ignorant of. To be unaware of. To be uninformed of. So, Blake. Inform us. 100,000 slaves murdered Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
G0rF The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:47:00 - [15] Edited by: G0rF on 26/03/2008 11:49:02 Thankyou. While it's not my place to comment on political matters, I just can't bring myself to be surprised... Oopsy, deleted my sig!
Kohiko Sun Rising Sun Mining Inc. Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:47:00 - [16] Edited by: Kohiko Sun on 26/03/2008 11:48:26 Admiral Blake, While the deaths you show are the most ill of fortunes, a flaw can be found in your logic and argument from this even as you hedge your bets. You base your moral argument on the willful and decided placement of captives within military installations. While the Defiants' weapons destroyed those places and are, medically speaking, the cause of death, it is the orders of the Seventh Fleet's officers that placed civilians in harm's path; one does not need to deliver the killing blow to be a murderer. Indeed, it can be said that certain unenlightened Amarrians hold responsibility for two tragedies in such a short period. Do not use a case of negligent homicide committed by Amarrians against slaves to attempt distraction from a separate case of negligent homicide committed by Amarrians against slaves. There is shame in such simple tricks. I ask you permit this matter to not be clouded any further. This is where I found my Sig.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Kohiko Sun Edited by: Kohiko Sun on 26/03/2008 11:48:26 Admiral Blake, While the deaths you show are the most ill of fortunes, a flaw can be found in your logic and argument from this even as you hedge your bets. You base your moral argument on the willful and decided placement of captives within military installations. While the Defiants' weapons destroyed those places and are, medically speaking, the cause of death, it is the orders of the Seventh Fleet's officers that placed civilians in harm's path; one does not need to deliver the killing blow to be a murderer. Indeed, it can be said that certain unenlightened Amarrians hold responsibility for two tragedies in such a short period. Do not use a case of negligent homicide committed by Amarrians against slaves to attempt distraction from a separate case of negligent homicide committed by Amarrians against slaves. There is shame in such simple tricks. I ask you permit this matter to not be clouded any further. Exactly the response I expected. In the view of the Electus Matari, it's perfectly acceptable to knowingly murder slaves if you can manage to murder a lower number of Amarrians at the same time. Truly disgusting. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Camar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:10:00 - [18] A very heartfelt and moving statement Miss Evanda Char. MINMATART STRIPS! VIKING LOST...
Kohiko Sun Rising Sun Mining Inc. Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:12:00 - [19] Admiral Blake, I see now you are an unreasonable man. This is where I found my Sig.
Gegi Wau Liberty Labs Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Kohiko Sun Edited by: Kohiko Sun on 26/03/2008 11:48:26 Admiral Blake, While the deaths you show are the most ill of fortunes, a flaw can be found in your logic and argument from this even as you hedge your bets. You base your moral argument on the willful and decided placement of captives within military installations. While the Defiants' weapons destroyed those places and are, medically speaking, the cause of death, it is the orders of the Seventh Fleet's officers that placed civilians in harm's path; one does not need to deliver the killing blow to be a murderer. Indeed, it can be said that certain unenlightened Amarrians hold responsibility for two tragedies in such a short period. Do not use a case of negligent homicide committed by Amarrians against slaves to attempt distraction from a separate case of negligent homicide committed by Amarrians against slaves. There is shame in such simple tricks. I ask you permit this matter to not be clouded any further. Exactly the response I expected. In the view of the Electus Matari, it's perfectly acceptable to knowingly murder slaves if you can manage to murder a lower number of Amarrians at the same time. Truly disgusting. It is tragic, but unavoidable, as long as you practice slavery. It takes some nerve to use slaves as human shields and then go on righteous rants when they get killed along with their "masters". That's truly disgusting.
Renata Enila Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Rodj Blake Exactly the response I expected. In the view of the Electus Matari, it's perfectly acceptable to knowingly murder slaves if you can manage to murder a lower number of Amarrians at the same time. Truly disgusting. It is not the fault of Electus Matari that their enemies are so cowardly that they hide behind the innocent lives of their Kin. Should the Matari people cease our struggle for freedom because of this cowardice? We cannot to that. Even though it is a terrible, heart-breaking thing to be the cause of the death of some of our own people, we cannot stop our struggle for freedom because our enemies hide behind their slaves; that would be the end of Hope.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:19:00 - [22] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 26/03/2008 12:19:18 Originally by: Renata Enila Originally by: Rodj Blake Exactly the response I expected. In the view of the Electus Matari, it's perfectly acceptable to knowingly murder slaves if you can manage to murder a lower number of Amarrians at the same time. Truly disgusting. It is not the fault of Electus Matari that their enemies are so cowardly that they hide behind the innocent lives of their Kin. Should the Matari people cease our struggle for freedom because of this cowardice? We cannot to that. Even though it is a terrible, heart-breaking thing to be the cause of the death of some of our own people, we cannot stop our struggle for freedom because our enemies hide behind their slaves; that would be the end of Hope. These aren't hostages that we're talking about. These aren't human shields. These were Minmatars and Ealurians doing valuable work. They would have been doing that work regardless of whether or not an attack was happening. Tell me, to release a single slave, how many other slaves are you willing to murder? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Renata Enila Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Rodj Blake These aren't hostages that we're talking about. These aren't human shields. These were Minmatars and Ealurians doing valuable work. They would have been doing that work regardless of whether or not an attack was happening. Tell me, to release a single slave, how many other slaves are you willing to murder? They were still put there in the midst of a war zone. Tell me, would you have put Amarrian workers on that station, knowing the great risk of an attack? And to answer you question, the answer is none. Sometimes it does happen, and for that I grieve, but... Originally by: Renata Enila we cannot stop our struggle for freedom because our enemies hide behind their slaves; that would be the end of Hope.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Renata Enila Originally by: Rodj Blake These aren't hostages that we're talking about. These aren't human shields. These were Minmatars and Ealurians doing valuable work. They would have been doing that work regardless of whether or not an attack was happening. Tell me, to release a single slave, how many other slaves are you willing to murder? They were still put there in the midst of a war zone. Tell me, would you have put Amarrian workers on that station, knowing the great risk of an attack? Firstly, why should Amarrians have to do menial work just so that a Minmatar doesn't have to? Secondly, twenty thousand Amarrians also died in that attack. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Renata Enila Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:46:00 - [25] Edited by: Renata Enila on 26/03/2008 12:49:36 Edited by: Renata Enila on 26/03/2008 12:48:39 Edited by: Renata Enila on 26/03/2008 12:48:24 Originally by: Rodj Blake Firstly, why should Amarrians have to do menial work just so that a Minmatar doesn't have to? "Just so that a Minmatar doesn't have to"? That's not the point. The point is that you use slaves! Why don't you do your own work instead of enslaving another people to do it? Hasn't it been said that the reason you enslave people are for their redemption in the eyes of your god, rather than doing the work the Amarr are to stuck-up to do? Perhaps that was just an excuse after all, hmm? Besides... Originally by: Rodj Blake These were Minmatars and Ealurians doing valuable work. Originally by: Rodj Blake why should Amarrians have to do menial work just so that a Minmatar doesn't have to? Make up your mind, Pilot Blake. Originally by: Rodj Blake Secondly, twenty thousand Amarrians also died in that attack. Good. Edits: Typos and clarification
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Renata Enila Make up your mind, Pilot Blake. Sometimes even menial work can be valuable. For example, without cleaners Amarrian stations would look like their fedo-infested Minmatar counterparts. Originally by: Renata Enila Originally by: Rodj Blake Secondly, twenty thousand Amarrians also died in that attack. Good. And here we see the inherently racist nature of Minmatars come to the surface. There really is nothing else to say. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kohiko Sun Rising Sun Mining Inc. Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:56:00 - [27] Admiral Blake, It was twenty thousand Amarrian military personnel who would have killed any noncombatant slaves who would have attempted to retreat to safety. It is a matter of the fleet's commanders placing civilians in danger, unless perhaps the Empire was desperate enough to suddenly free all one hundred thousand and conscript them. It is a war crime. It is a war crime you bring here to cloud the matter presented by Executor Char. It does nothing but bring you more shame with each speaking to use Admiral Sarracen's war crime as a political trick. As I have said, you are an unreasonable man. I will say no more on this and beg the forgiveness of Executor Char for attempting to ask you to maintain proper civility. I ask all others to do the same. The subject must return to its proper course related to this decision by the Theology Council. This is where I found my Sig.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:07:00 - [28] Given the Char witch's failure to condemn the actions of the Defiants or the effects of the barbaric Voluval ritual, one has to wonder just why she has condemned what is clearly an internal Amarrian matter. The Defiants have killed far more Minmatars than these two Holders. The Voluval has caused far more suffering than these two Holders. And yet she has remained silent on both! Clearly her motivation is not humanitarian but rather political in nature. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Evanda Char Let my people go. Evanda, rivers of blood, plagues of frogs, gnats, flies, on livestock, boils, hail, locusts, darkness won't work. Let's skip straight to killing their first born. We come for our people --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Renata Enila Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Rodj Blake And here we see the inherently racist nature of Minmatars come to the surface. There really is nothing else to say. I should have been clearer in my statement: Those were, as Pilot Sun said, Amarr Marines, hence my statement that they deserved their deaths, rather than being used to subjugate my people. It is hardly ever good for anyone to die, but these particular deaths won't cause ant loss of sleep to me. Other than that I will echo the rest of what Pilot Sun stated. Originally by: Kohiko Sun It is a war crime you bring here to cloud the matter presented by Executor Char And I also apologise to Executor Char for my part in distracting from her main statement.

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