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CALDARIDETEISCOMMANDER Search n Destroy Ultionis Quietus	Posted - 2008.03.27 16:02:00 - [1] I just got my Scorpion and i dont know what to put on it. I need the most simple set up for my Scorpion.
FAR I Rhomphia	Posted - 2008.03.27 16:05:00 - [2] What do you want to do with it?
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.03.27 16:35:00 - [3] Dude, your name o.o ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."
Marcus TheMartin Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.03.27 16:41:00 - [4] Augh your name is so loud
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:02:00 - [5] Edited by: Omarvelous on 27/03/2008 17:02:42 Here ya go bud: Lows: - 3x Signal Distortion Amps - Damage Control Unit Mids: - 100 MN Microwarp Drive (I use this in 0.0, you could swap it for another jammer or sensor booster) - Sensor Booster (Range Script) - ECCM (You know an enemy Falcon/Scorp is going to try to disable you - may as well force them to use more jammers on you and less on your gang) - 5x Racial Jammers (I get 2x of Gallente because you see a lot of Gallente ships in pvp - the rest are 1 of each) Highs: - 4x Cruise Missile Launchers (yeay you can throw some crappy dps at your range too!) - 2x Drone Link Augmentor (nice to throw ECM drones really really far out) - Sometimes I swap 1 drone link for a cloak - lets face it your lock time isn't going to be steller either way - so you may as well have the option to surprise/evade your enemy. Drones: 5x Medium and Light ECM - MOAR jamming! Rigs: I'd get Electronic superiority rigs that improve your lock time/range. If you're using the cloak - the re-calibration time rigs are handy. Jam targets ~ 150 km away. Use the microwarp drive to burn through bubbles. Cloak is good for surprise - or you can stick with 2 drone augmenters and use your ecm drones to get you some extra ECM cycles at long range. ECCM is nice in forcing enemy ECM to spend more jammers on your ships instead of your gang/fleet - interesting side note, 2 ECCM give your scorpion a higher sensor strength than a carrier. Stay aligned for escape. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:02:00 - [6] simple scorp smarbombs/cruise 100mn MWD, 7x multispec jammers 3x sig distortion amps, damage control 3x core defense field extenders In lowsec, jammers become: 3x Gallente, 1x Amarr, 1x Minmatar, 1x Caldari, 1x multispec In 0.0, jammers become: 3x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 1x Caldari, 1x Gallente In highsec, see lowsec. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Liang Nuren simple scorp smarbombs/cruise 100mn MWD, 7x multispec jammers 3x sig distortion amps, damage control 3x core defense field extenders In lowsec, jammers become: 3x Gallente, 1x Amarr, 1x Minmatar, 1x Caldari, 1x multispec In 0.0, jammers become: 3x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 1x Caldari, 1x Gallente In highsec, see lowsec. -Liang Not bad, but I like to stay near the max of my optimals - the mutispec forces you a lot closer. Too close for my tastes. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Omarvelous Not bad, but I like to stay near the max of my optimals - the mutispec forces you a lot closer. Too close for my tastes. Eh, I don't fit more than one, and its for tacklers. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Omarvelous Not bad, but I like to stay near the max of my optimals - the mutispec forces you a lot closer. Too close for my tastes. Eh, I don't fit more than one, and its for tacklers. -Liang True - although most tacklers have low sensor strength so you may get away with the wrong racial. Might need some testing to figure out which is more effective. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
P'uck Ravenclaw Manufacturing DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:17:00 - [10] stupid question: i never used sensor dampening drones, so i dont know if its viable... buuuuut... its a good idea to combine locktime scripted dampers with jamming (drones) imho, so does it work the other way round, too? ie, jam a target, and then have the damper drones (already) on it to screw with the relocking?
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:28:00 - [11] Originally by: P'uck stupid question: i never used sensor dampening drones, so i dont know if its viable... buuuuut... its a good idea to combine locktime scripted dampers with jamming (drones) imho, so does it work the other way round, too? ie, jam a target, and then have the damper drones (already) on it to screw with the relocking? The sensor damping drones are stacking nerfed - however I had not thought of combining them with your ECM mods - they would nicely compliment a scorpion's jammers. Do not fit damps on a scorpion! The ship's bonus to jamming is completely wasted. Save your mids for jamming and your drone bay for damping. Its the reverse philosophy of an Arazu/Lachesis pilot with damps and ECM drones... __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Omarvelous Its the reverse philosophy of an Arazu/Lachesis pilot with damps and ECM drones... Well, you'll get better use out of your mids on an Arazu fitting TD's... Damps are all but worthless. Well, they're "situational" now. Very much so. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Omarvelous Its the reverse philosophy of an Arazu/Lachesis pilot with damps and ECM drones... Well, you'll get better use out of your mids on an Arazu fitting TD's... Damps are all but worthless. Well, they're "situational" now. Very much so. -Liang The old rules made them mean solo-pvp ships. They could nano, damp and orbit out of lock range, and attack with drones without worrying about tracking, all while maintaining a scram point well beyond 30km. So I'm not exactly missing those days... In gangs however, as a Caldari pilot I would love nothing more than a complementary Gallente Sensor Dampening Ship with lock time scripts. I'd get to dedicate less jams per target and spread my ewar out further, and if I miss a cycle the lock time script makes sure I have enough time to get another cycle on the target. Not to mention I like their distance scramming (I'm sure Minnie recons do too!) __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
P'uck Ravenclaw Manufacturing DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:47:00 - [14] well, i really didnt plan to use damps on the scorp, just thinking of complementing the scanners with dampening drones. any experience on this? afaik the other jamming boats have no dronebays (been a while since i used caldari trash :P) for maybe this exact reason? soooo.... i mean, i cannot believe people didnt think of this before so its probably just.... it must suck, or we would see this mentioned more often, right?
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:58:00 - [15] Originally by: P'uck well, i really didnt plan to use damps on the scorp, just thinking of complementing the scanners with dampening drones. any experience on this? afaik the other jamming boats have no dronebays (been a while since i used caldari trash :P) for maybe this exact reason? soooo.... i mean, i cannot believe people didnt think of this before so its probably just.... it must suck, or we would see this mentioned more often, right? Well none but the scorpion have drone bays. The scorpion with 2 drone link augmentors should be able to stay at long distance and jam and then damp with drones. I haven't used this tactic yet - but I'm starting to like it the more I think about it. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 19:28:00 - [16] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 27/03/2008 19:29:26 Originally by: Omarvelous The old rules made them mean solo-pvp ships. They could nano, damp and orbit out of lock range, and attack with drones without worrying about tracking, all while maintaining a scram point well beyond 30km. Actually, damps didn't "scale". They were good in small gangs, but not so great in larger gangs. Now they're useless in small gangs, and only useful if you have another recon providing the primary form of ewar support. This means that the Arazu and Lachesis are no longer support ships - they are relegated to support support ships. Anyway, there was nothing really wrong with dedicated damp boats being able to shut down 1 and maybe, maybe 2 ships. Quote: So I'm not exactly missing those days... Eh, it removed an element from the game. The only real problem was that everyone used damps on their ships, even if they weren't bonused. Now even unbonused ships have strong arguments for using either different or no ewar. Quote: In gangs however, as a Caldari pilot I would love nothing more than a complementary Gallente Sensor Dampening Ship with lock time scripts. I'd get to dedicate less jams per target and spread my ewar out further, and if I miss a cycle the lock time script makes sure I have enough time to get another cycle on the target. Not to mention I like their distance scramming (I'm sure Minnie recons do too!) Yeah, exactly. The arazu is support support now, which is not exactly a very big niche. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Tai Paktu Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.27 19:43:00 - [17] This isn't your standard Scorp fit but it can be effective if you use it right. Highs - 4x Arby Torps 2x Large "Solace" Remote Reps 6/7 Best Named Racials (mix in multis if you don't know target) (1 Sensor Booster if you want to drop a a jammer) 1 Heavy Electrochem (800s) Damage Control II 2x 1600 Rolled 1x Hypnos Signal Amp Rigs - 3x Trimarks Drones - damp drones or whatever else you want "ZOMG, lol, Caldari armour tanker!!11!rofl" Yeah, yeah. But it has a massive HP buffer, good remote logistics potential and with the damp drones you can be your own little cycler jammer. Run it with a gang of Megas, Domis, Pests and Phoons (plated and trimarked) and you're laughing. p.s. you're still primary... ______ http://eve-files.com/sig/TaiPaktu/sig3.PNG

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