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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:15:00 -
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Triage carriers are useless?!?!?! - Pretty sure RnK would beg to differ, and normal carriers are pretty damm handy as well.
Also F&I is that way -----------> (since y'know supers are a feature and you are discussing an idea about them)
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:03:00 -
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Having one ship that can blap everything is simply put, anti-EVE.
also useless and not over powered are not the same thing, and you are correct super caps do need a support fleet, the problem is that currently said support fleet it a fleet of more super caps.
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:12:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote: Learn to play eve.... and.. stop crying.. Every decent pilot knows how to not be hit by a titan 
Really? So when a lone Titan was popping a fleet of BCs all orbiting at the maximum transversal allowed by their guns (AB not MWD), what exactly would your advice be ('run away' doesn't count).
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Grey Azorria
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:46:00 -
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The Economist wrote:Grey Azorria wrote:
Really? So when a lone Titan was popping a fleet of BCs all orbiting at the maximum transversal allowed by their guns (AB not MWD), what exactly would your advice be ('run away' doesn't count).
My advice would be stop exaggerating. If, IF; that really was the case then those must've been shield bc's with sigs almost the size of battleships and pilots that massively suck at manageing their range and transversal and/or huginns grabbing them too. In which scenario nothing in any way broken happened. [constructive advice; outrange them/pick setups with smaller sigs/ get better at manageing transversal/use neutralizers/increase speed/use capitals against capitals etc etc etc etc etc]
Not exaggerating, no huggins either (possibly sucky pilots though  ); It was an RvB teir3 BC roam, most of us were in 'nados or oracles, and we chanced upon a lone Titan that we think had had just bridged a fleet somewhere else. Since we were in it for the lols (and the FC just wanted to be able to say 'Primary is Erebus') we engaged, hictors got points, and we all started orbiting, expecting it to either be brick tanked or for us to be on the wrong end of one helluva hotdrop, neither happened, instead the titan started dropping like a stone, we got it down to 1/3 armour in around 10-15 mins, unfortunatly by that time we had lost all but one hictor and most of our ships. Then the slightly disapointing hotdrop appeared (one Avatar, 3 MOMs and 7 carriers) to finish us off.
Anyway, we assumed the thing pretty much only had officer tracking mods on it (judging by how fast its tank melted), and had a laugh with the pilots in local about how we caught them with their pants down.
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Grey Azorria
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:21:00 -
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Headerman wrote:You do realise that for a titan to kill a subcap that ship has to be webbed down a lot, right?
O RLY?
Erebus vs Tornado
Erebus vs Hurricane
Erebus vs Hurricane - Round II (Lulz at friendly fire)
(The battle report is very broken, we lost a lot more BCs, and there were a few more PL caps)
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Grey Azorria
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:06:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:I don't even bother any post from an NPC corp that mentions the word "supercap".
You avoid bad trolls and terrible theory crafters alike!
Char transfer. Don't really have much choice
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:21:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Aren't you, oh...about six months late with this, OP?
Supercapitals were a mistake, and should be removed from the game, by the way.
No, they shouldn't. But they do need worked on.
CCP could do things such as:
- Make it easier for super caps to kill each other, ie. increase doomsday and FB effectiveness against other supers.
- a. Nerf Titan tracking so that they cant hit faster battleships (but can still hit something like a triple plated Abaddon).
- b. Leave Titan tracking as it is, but make it so that Titans either can't refit in space (introduce a limited form of super cap docking), can't refit from MOMs, or suffer some form of penalty when doing so, meaning that if a Titan pilot fields a tracking death machine at the expense of tank, can't instantly refit to a massive brick tank once they become primary.
- Introduce new capital ships such as a capital EWar ship, capital dictor, capital version of the teir3 BCs (lots of big guns, on a fast, fragile frame), or some other ships that increase the tactical elements of capital warfare.
- Introduce a spool up time on jump drives and/or portals, meaning that you can't move a massive fleet of death across the entire cluster in just a couple of minutes.
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:19:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:How is it my fault that alliances have prepared themselves poorly?
Suddenly we should change the entire game simply because some of you have zero ability to plan long term in a game about long term planning?
There is no way to prepare for, or counter, a super cap blob that is bigger than your own.
Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:CCP have said they don't want to see capital ships online. Can you show me where they said that?
I believe CCP actually said they didn't want super caps online.
Grath Telkin wrote:
Why not? BS can volley ill prepared logis, cruisers can kill logis, carriers can even kill logis, frigates can, battlecruisers can, why shouldn't titans be able to kill them as well?
They should not be able to (and tbh probably can't) volley a logi that is moving. If it is stationary however, then blap away.
Grath Telkin wrote:
Theoretically, every ship in EVE can kill every other ship in EVE, all is as it should be.
Nope, no matter how well you fit a Vigil it will never break through the base shield regen of a Leviathan (extreme example I know).
But yeah, all is very much not as it should be, someone mentioned rock, paper, scissors earlier. Well when super cap blobs are involved it's rock, paper, thermo-nuclear bomb.
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:51:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Grey Azorria wrote:
There is no way to prepare for, or counter, a super cap blob that is bigger than your own.
This is a lie. Absolute end of discussion untrue. There are ways to both prepare for and counter them.
Go on then, enlighten me.
Grath Telkin wrote:Grey Azorria wrote:
They should not be able to (and tbh probably can't) volley a logi that is moving. If it is stationary however, then blap away.
I would like to introduce you to the Maelstrom, or really any arty fit ship including the Munin or Tornado, they easily can volley logis that are moving, and do so near constantly.
Wow, just wow...
Titan != BS
Titan != BC
Titan != HAC.
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.29 00:57:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:So, ignoring the first part since people have been posting in 3 threads for days about how to 'cheaply' counter supers, I'll address the second part:
You said that battleships shouldn't be able to (and probably cant') [its in your quote] volley a logi thats moving.
I say it can, and provide you with at least 3 ship classes that can.
You then respond by relating all of those in some way to a titan.
The original point still stands, Subcaps can volley a logi that is moving, how is that in some way different from a Titan doing it?
The original quote (which you wrote  )
Grey Azorria wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
The original point still stands, Subcaps can volley a logi that is moving, how is that in some way different from a Titan doing it?
They should not be able to (and tbh probably can't) volley a logi that is moving. If it is stationary however, then blap away.
So no, I was not talking about subcaps, I was talking about titans.
And I am way to tired right now to explain why your welp-nought fleet won't work. But suffice to say, given the amount of times it has been tried, if it did work, then everyone would use it.
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Good to have your very own T20, isnt it?
Its almost as if you are a titan pilot, bitter about losing god mode and having to put some thought into combat.
No, as far as I can tell they just have a different way to fix the problem. Which I agree with more. Ewar frigs do need some serious loving, but making them able to affect titans is not the way to do it (doesn't even make sense since really, a frig simply can't generate enough power to disrupt a titans heavily shielded systems). And if you think about it, it doesn't even take that long to get into a cap - so an EWar Cap wouldn't really discriminate against younger players(especialy if they are already on the capital ship road anyway).
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:21:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yep, Strategies dont ever play any part in our wars  You keep using this word, but I dont think you understand what it means. You are talking abouth how to fight and win battles. That is tactics. Not strategies.
Strategy vs Tactics
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:08:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Tore Vest wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
No single ship is invulnerable. 50 titans are.
50 titans can be killed.... learn this game m8 yea, by 70 titans. Hey.... you was writing about tactics here earlyer..... Are you shure your 70 titans are only way to kill 50 ? For the benefit of us dumb goonies why don't you spell out your master plan for beating a massed blob of 50 titans. You don't have to give away specifics (we probably couldn't understand them) but just a general overview of what you think would be effective.
And welp-noughts do not count.
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