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Paulette
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.03.29 15:27:00 -
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Simple question:
when mining, is it better to pop that arknor roid or to leave it with something in it to have it grow back? I found threads from 2006 but nothing convincing, please enlight me!
Thank you
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Burchov
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.29 15:59:00 -
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It really doesn't matter. In the old days, roids gave more ore over time if they were not popped, but a long time aso CCP already fixed that, so that it does not matter whether or not you pop the roids. The amount of ore you'll get is still the same.
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Paulette
Raddick Explorations
Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2008.03.29 16:13:00 -
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any information comming from CCP? Facts, tests ran, etc?
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Braaage
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Posted - 2008.03.29 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Braaage on 29/03/2008 16:59:06
CCP have been asked this over time in about a gazillion threads and they have not replied.
There was a rumour when I was back in ASCN that we had a dev/gm/ccp person (can't say which) confirm that the way it used to work is this:
Every solarsystem (or constellation) has a set amount of ore, when u pop a roid it disappears so u can't see it but it is really still present. After twice weekly downtimes the allocated ore for that Solarsystem/constellation used to get re-populated.
Now if the roid was popped or not it did not matter, the allocated ore would get spread out over all the roids regardless.
That's how I understand it USED to work, whether it still does or things have changed over patches I can't say and it's unlikely a dev will say either (although I don't understand why it used to be a closely guarded secret).
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Lord Fitz
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Posted - 2008.03.30 04:07:00 -
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There is no such thing as popping, the roids vanish they just get set to size = 0 which means they are not visible but they are still there. As far as the game is concerned there is no difference between a roid of size 0 and 1 when it comes to growing them again. Ore in a region is redistributed twice weekly (Monday/Friday downtimes) the more you mine, the more will respawn, so the more you mine the more you will get, almost logical ;)
People have run tests and confirmed this and if you search hard enough you should find where a dev confirmed it years ago.
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Lord Fitz
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Posted - 2008.03.30 04:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Burchov
It really doesn't matter. In the old days, roids gave more ore over time if they were not popped, but a long time aso CCP already fixed that, so that it does not matter whether or not you pop the roids. The amount of ore you'll get is still the same.
They have never done that in the last 3.5 years, though it was rumoured it was proved false. CCP didn't 'fix' it they just dispelled the rumour.
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Reverend Revelator
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Posted - 2008.03.30 10:09:00 -
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Pop them. The regrowth from 0 to something is always much more than from something to something.
To be more specific: If you mine a crokite roid to zero, it will reappear next grow/repop time with maybe 1000 units. If you mine the same roid down to 100 and leave it, next grow/repop time it will have grown to maybe 500 units.
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Lord Fitz
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.30 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Reverend Revelator
Pop them. The regrowth from 0 to something is always much more than from something to something.
To be more specific: If you mine a crokite roid to zero, it will reappear next grow/repop time with maybe 1000 units. If you mine the same roid down to 100 and leave it, next grow/repop time it will have grown to maybe 500 units.
It's not that pronounced, the seeding algorithm doesn't see a difference, however more mined = more seeded. So you will get more, but the difference is a few units not double. Infact if you left 100 units, you might get 550 units on the unpopped roid, but 500 on the popped roid. Now this is where the rumour starts, 550 from the unpopped roid, so people think unpopped = better, but in reality it's 50 units less than you would have got if you mined the last 100 before the respawn.
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Altaree
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2008.03.31 14:16:00 -
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We would love it if you ran some experiments and reported back!
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Gieron
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Posted - 2008.03.31 15:05:00 -
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Here are two things I have noticed:
1. If I pop all the dense veldspar roids in a belt and come back after downtime, the belt will again have dense veldspar roids. Regardless of which day of the week it is. Which would suggest that the Monday/Friday part is not all that true.
2. I have very seldom seen any veldspar roids with less than 10,000 units in them. Which would suggest that the regrowing algorithm does have some lower limit on how much to grow back.
There could of course be differences between high end ores (such as arknor) and low end ores (such as veldspar).
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Lord Fitz
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Posted - 2008.03.31 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gieron
There could of course be differences between high end ores (such as arknor) and low end ores (such as veldspar).
Possibly, I know omber is monday/friday, back when it was the best highsec ore it only ever appeared on those days after downtimes for a few hours until it was mined out. 
It's possible veld is every day and the rarer ores are once per week. You would really have to find a nice quiet 0.0 system and mine out a belt repeatedly (and being pretty sure you were the only one mining that belt) in order to produce any reasonable experimental data. Someone did do such a thing a few years ago you can probably find it if you search.
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Pwett
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Posted - 2008.03.31 16:17:00 -
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The days the belts respawn are constellation specific.
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SpaceSlag
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Posted - 2008.03.31 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett
The days the belts respawn are constellation specific.
I don't think that the days are constellation specific. I've noticed back before RMR, in RMR, and now in Trinity that the days are the same. I have noticed though that the more you mine out of a constellation in a respawn cycle, the same gets distributed throughout the constellation.
I did hear the rumor that when ASCN was doing what they did best (being little mining carebears) that they all respawned on the same day and throughout the Eve galaxy.
So that's to say that the more an ASCN member mind in k-2, the more was respawned up in NOL-.
(I think we all semi-industrialists can confirm this is not the case.) After 3 years or so doing EVERY single aspect of this game, (maybe except being the odd Titan pilot) that from experience, I'd have to say the amount of respawned ore is constellation specific.
However, this is not to say that if anybody NEVER mines anything in an entire constellation that the roids would just stop growing. There is minimum to the respawn algorithm. What is it you may ask? I don't work for CCP and don't have access to their compiling method and location of their ore respawn rates, so alas it's still a mystery.
Hey!! Whatever happened to that CCP ex-employee that cheated for BoB? He still around? Maybe he might have the insight that has been desired since this games' inception.
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