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Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.30 03:51:00 - [1] All AOE game mechanics after smartbombs have been such an abortive failure I wonder why they continue to exist in the state they do. Stealth bombers have been tweaked at least a half dozen times and they are still worthless. The only bombs that seem interesting are the ECM & neut bombs but the ECM strength is terrible on that bomb and the nuet bomb, like the damage based ones, will factor sig radius. I don't see any real incentive to the mom ecm bomb given how the greatest threat to them, interdictors, will ignore them or just relock without delay. DDs are probably the greatest failure of AOE weapons as its a case of imagining the weapon before fully realizing the titan. Against the backdrop of these impotent distractions, the modest mechanics behind smartbombs have gone unchanged: namely we need the ability to overheat them for a damage and cycle time bonus as we still need the weapon upgrade for them. I don't think drones enjoyed the hitpoint improvement but even so I wouldn't mind a small damage bonus to all smart-bombs either. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Kransthow	Posted - 2008.03.30 11:58:00 - [2] Smartbombs are a weapon designed for use in specific cicumstances, but in those specific circumstances they are DEADLY Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Erotic Irony	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:02:00 - [3] Originally by: Kransthow Smartbombs are a weapon designed for use in specific cicumstances, but in those specific circumstances they are DEADLY hi I play eve, what game are you playing? the only thing they are DEADLY to are bad tacklers and people who don't watch their drones ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Sodium Phosphate Ganja Labs	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:16:00 - [4] Suiciding mining ops maybe?
Cikulisuy	Posted - 2008.03.31 09:43:00 - [5] hey man, discopocs are amazing for suiciding mining gangs =D in all seriousness though, they should be overheatable for cycle time/range/damage, i find they are nice if i have a utility slot and fittings left (which is not often btw) just to blow off/scare off enemy drones this out of all will remain, they have lived and have tossed; so much of the game will be gain, though the gold and the dice have been lost.
Pur3Bl00D Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.03.31 11:06:00 - [6] Edited by: Pur3Bl00D on 31/03/2008 11:07:31 I am not in favour of AOE DPS but AOE Ewar, like a BS interdictor type of thing with a EWAR bubble which can greatly increase targeting time or ECM better than ECM bomb's would be nice. It could also reduce blobing by forcing ppl to keep more ppl at long ranges or even at a SS waitting e.t.c.
Erotic Irony	Posted - 2008.03.31 18:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Pur3Bl00D Edited by: Pur3Bl00D on 31/03/2008 11:07:31 I am not in favour of AOE DPS but AOE Ewar, like a BS interdictor type of thing with a EWAR bubble which can greatly increase targeting time or ECM better than ECM bomb's would be nice. It could also reduce blobing by forcing ppl to keep more ppl at long ranges or even at a SS waitting e.t.c. Problem with AOE anything other than damage is a balancing nightmare not to mention extremely difficult to translate into real combat terms, you damp everything in 30km for 50%? Everything under a BS just got nuetered, add in even slight module lag and these ships turn into the kiss of death for your gang. Its criminal to not improve smartbombs in lieu of the hitpoint boosts and the addition of heat--unlike nos & neut which don't do direct damage, these do and they deserve weapon upgrades and slight damage percentage gain. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Black L0tus Koichi Scientific	Posted - 2008.03.31 19:26:00 - [8] the fact that smartbombs kill people that are coming out of warp is broken, other than that they're fine how they are when i say coming out of warp, i mean when it says warping on your screen and your ship is slowing down , you get wtfbqq'd and can't do ANYTHING about it because you're still in warp
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.31 20:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Black L0tus the fact that smartbombs kill people that are coming out of warp is broken, other than that they're fine how they are when i say coming out of warp, i mean when it says warping on your screen and your ship is slowing down , you get wtfbqq'd and can't do ANYTHING about it because you're still in warp Alternatively you could read this as a sign of how trivial they currently are and the lengths you need to go to make them effective, in any event what you're describing is not a problem peculiar to smartbombs but a lack of scouting. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
SibSpi mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.04.01 01:41:00 - [10] Smartbombs rock. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=624255 Proof. ------------- When in doubt, F1->F8...
Erotic Irony	Posted - 2008.04.03 05:55:00 - [11] Surely someone wants to use smartbombs that are more effective and overheatable! ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Msgerbs White Moon Industries	Posted - 2008.04.07 03:41:00 - [12] Smartbombs are torture for anybody in lowsec. Just today a corpmate of mine got his ship (which should've easily been safe) Got bombed by a bunch of BS which smartbombs campnig the gate. My conclusion: smartbomb = crap. Why is it called a smartbomb anyway? More like a nuke?
Thunderbird Anthares Crimson Star Empire	Posted - 2008.04.07 06:08:00 - [13] they need a range increase and slight damage boost ------------------------------------------------ When you get to the end of your journey,everything that really matters is the journey itself.
Ryo Jang Central Defiance Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.12 06:48:00 - [14] definately a range boost.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.12 07:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: Kransthow Smartbombs are a weapon designed for use in specific cicumstances, but in those specific circumstances they are DEADLY hi I play eve, what game are you playing? the only thing they are DEADLY to are bad tacklers and people who don't watch their drones Smartbombs render all drones except sentry drones(especially fighters) worthless in a carrier engagement. If anything fighters vs smartbomb relationship need to be looked at.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Gamesguy If anything fighters vs smartbomb relationship need to be looked at. I'll drink to that. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Kiki Arnolds Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:53:00 - [17] I got owned by a smart bombing BS the other day as well. My comrades and I were minding our own buisness camping a gate in t1 frigates when this dastardly player warps in to our camp in what turned out to be a smartbombing battleship... talk about carnage... though we figure the friendly t2 drones he took out cost almost as much as our frigates... ç¦
Wutchu Luhkinat	Posted - 2008.04.29 17:08:00 - [18] This one time at band camp, I got killed by smart bombs. DEY NEED A NERF!!11!!
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.05.12 12:35:00 - [19] Originally by: Wutchu Luhkinat This one time at band camp, I got killed by smart bombs. DEY NEED A NERF!!11!! No trolling. Thread remains vitally important. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.05.12 12:53:00 - [20] How about a twist? Smartbombs are slightly nerfed in damage as they are at the moment, but then recieve a +50%-150% range and damage bonus (depending on how much unoverloaded damage is nerfed) if they are overloaded, which might solve the fighter vs smartbomb relationship.
BlondieBC Minmatar Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 13:42:00 - [21] CCP could also add low slot modules that impact smart bombs, like gyro's do for projectile turrets. Or smart bomb scripts would make sense.

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