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Mauss Renegades of the Crux	Posted - 2008.03.31 05:34:00 - [1] Hello, What would you guys say is the most durable small ship. It can be any single ship from any of these categories: frigates, interceptors, assault ships, covert ops, destroyers, or EAFs.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.31 05:43:00 - [2] malediction ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Slade Hoo xPlaguex	Posted - 2008.03.31 06:55:00 - [3] Vengeance
Gartel Reiman	Posted - 2008.03.31 07:42:00 - [4] Originally by: Slade Hoo Vengeance
Markit Broker	Posted - 2008.03.31 07:42:00 - [5] Edited by: Markit Broker on 31/03/2008 07:43:22 passive tanked caldari navy hookbill, 6k shield edit: or tanked up silver/gold magnate (sp?)
Squatdog	Posted - 2008.03.31 07:55:00 - [6] lolHawk with a cheap Gisti-B Shield Booster and Medium Shield Extender. [yellow]Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigato
Helios Hyperion	Posted - 2008.03.31 07:58:00 - [7] jag. retribution with a plate fit.
Jurgen Cartis	Posted - 2008.03.31 08:12:00 - [8] If you mean durable in the sense of tanky, Amarr AF if T2 fitted, Hawk if you bring deadspace boosters into the equation. If you mean durable in the sense of survivable, an Interceptor or Covops. Hitting something that moves 6km/s is no mean feat, and of course, you can't kill what you can't see. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Cikulisuy	Posted - 2008.03.31 08:45:00 - [9] retribution gets pretty ridiculous if you fit it right, or a hawk this out of all will remain, they have lived and have tossed; so much of the game will be gain, though the gold and the dice have been lost.
Seetesh	Posted - 2008.03.31 10:09:00 - [10] Do you reckon the polaris frigate counts ?
Evil Frenchman	Posted - 2008.03.31 10:49:00 - [11] As in taking damage, one of the AFs. As in avoiding damage, probably a pimped speed crusader. Nothing can catch it tbh, not even Minnie Recons (if it stays out of range.)
MrRookie Dark and Light inc. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.31 11:28:00 - [12] Dual small rep Retribution ( works with the right skills and modulated pulses) Gist shieldboosting hawk (expensive though) Vengeance Uber fast Crows should't have a problem Most passive tanked Assault frigs except Amarr Those would be my best guess I used to fly the Retribution alot when Assaults frigs where uber :) Sig removed. Please email us at [email protected] if you would like to know why. -Conuion Meow May I have pink next time plz?
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.03.31 13:13:00 - [13] Don't forget the Caldari Navy Hookbill. +10% per level to Shield HP is pretty sweet. Then again, it's harder to fit than a Merlin AND it has split weapons (2 turret, 2 missile) AND it's slow. Vengeance is probably my favorite small ship - I've always thought it might be a useful Afrig, but short of shooting miners and ganking mission fitted caracals I don't know what exactly I'd do with it. Punisher or Merlin for more reasonable priced "tough" ships, though the Merlin is still kinda hard to fit well after you jam weapons on there.
Shevar A.W.M Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.03.31 13:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Derek Sigres Don't forget the Caldari Navy Hookbill. +10% per level to Shield HP is pretty sweet. Then again, it's harder to fit than a Merlin AND it has split weapons (2 turret, 2 missile) AND it's slow. Vengeance is probably my favorite small ship - I've always thought it might be a useful Afrig, but short of shooting miners and ganking mission fitted caracals I don't know what exactly I'd do with it. Punisher or Merlin for more reasonable priced "tough" ships, though the Merlin is still kinda hard to fit well after you jam weapons on there. Caldari navy hookbill is best if you are willing to use faction gear and no weapons. A jaguar with 2x med shield extenders, 2 resist amps, 3 sprs and 2x cdf's and 3x 150 mm ac's is probably the most realistic one. That being said the setup is pants and a nano'ed intie will survive longer in most cases. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.03.31 15:28:00 - [15] The most durable small ship is definitely a Reaper. I've been given one as soon as I joined the game, it is still in my hangar. Very durable.
Sean Faust Point of No Return	Posted - 2008.03.31 15:36:00 - [16] The Vengeance has the strongest tank out of any frigate sized ship in the game, period. But that doesn't necessarily mean it has the most SURVIVABILITY, because as a previous poster pointed out, avoiding damage can lead to more survivability than outright tank. It's important to understand that regardless of what ship you fly, no matter how you fit it, there will always be another ship out there that can smack you around as easy as a cat with a toy mouse. That's the paper-rock-scissors "balance" thing happening.
demonfurbie Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2008.03.31 15:38:00 - [17] jag... ive tanked .4 sentries in it for 2 min before i had to leave
Derek Sigres Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.31 16:56:00 - [18] I'm actually curious. On Paper the Vengeance seems like it COULD be good at small scale piracy. It's got a supurb slot layout for the job, and so long as you don't think that MWD is an absoulute must have, no arguments to the contrary are accepted it can tank, tackle and gank very well for a frigate hull. It's bonuses seem tailor made for small scale low sec piracy in Caldari Space, and I'd be willing to bet a vengeance could annihilate my old Level II caracal without breaking a sweat. So, while it seems good on paper, how does the real life performance of the Vengeance stack up in the grand scheme of things?
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.31 16:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Derek Sigres I'm actually curious. On Paper the Vengeance seems like it COULD be good at small scale piracy. It's got a supurb slot layout for the job, and so long as you don't think that MWD is an absoulute must have, no arguments to the contrary are accepted it can tank, tackle and gank very well for a frigate hull. It's bonuses seem tailor made for small scale low sec piracy in Caldari Space, and I'd be willing to bet a vengeance could annihilate my old Level II caracal without breaking a sweat. So, while it seems good on paper, how does the real life performance of the Vengeance stack up in the grand scheme of things? Erm, I guess. Lasers have always been good against shields - nothing new there. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Sean Faust	Posted - 2008.03.31 17:14:00 - [20] Edited by: Sean Faust on 31/03/2008 17:23:16 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Derek Sigres I'm actually curious. On Paper the Vengeance seems like it COULD be good at small scale piracy. It's got a supurb slot layout for the job, and so long as you don't think that MWD is an absoulute must have, no arguments to the contrary are accepted it can tank, tackle and gank very well for a frigate hull. It's bonuses seem tailor made for small scale low sec piracy in Caldari Space, and I'd be willing to bet a vengeance could annihilate my old Level II caracal without breaking a sweat. So, while it seems good on paper, how does the real life performance of the Vengeance stack up in the grand scheme of things? Erm, I guess. Lasers have always been good against shields - nothing new there. -Liang Vengeance is a missile spammer =P Rockets in particular Vengeance is black, black means khanid, and khanid means short range missiles and insane armor tanks that are impossible for other ships of the same class to break. In other words, in Amarr speak, Black = Death. A properly fitted vengeance with an AB and a SAR II can permarun both.
Julius Romanus	Posted - 2008.03.31 17:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Derek Sigres I'm actually curious. On Paper the Vengeance seems like it COULD be good at small scale piracy. It's got a supurb slot layout for the job, and so long as you don't think that MWD is an absoulute must have, no arguments to the contrary are accepted it can tank, tackle and gank very well for a frigate hull. It's bonuses seem tailor made for small scale low sec piracy in Caldari Space, and I'd be willing to bet a vengeance could annihilate my old Level II caracal without breaking a sweat. So, while it seems good on paper, how does the real life performance of the Vengeance stack up in the grand scheme of things? Erm, I guess. Lasers have always been good against shields - nothing new there. -Liang Psssst, vengeance uses rockets ------------------ For Medicinal Use Only.
Sean Faust Point of No Return	Posted - 2008.03.31 17:30:00 - [22] IMHO I think the vengeance is the only AF that is successful in emulating its HAC big brother. The harpy is trying to be a frigate sized eagle, the hawk is trying to be a frig sized cerb, and the Vengeance is trying to be a frigate sized Sacrilege. It succeeds.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.31 17:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Julius Romanus Psssst, vengeance uses rockets DOH! I totally forgot that they changed that. Sigh. I guess it shows that I don't fly AF's... hell, I barely fly the wolf and jag, and they're the "best" AF's. And still crap. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Sean Faust Point of No Return	Posted - 2008.03.31 17:43:00 - [24] AFs are decent, the problem is that they offer nothing at all to a gang. But for solo work, they're great for small scale lowsec belt piracy and a skilled AF pilot can easily kill anyone in another frig based ship or a t1 cruiser.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.31 17:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Sean Faust AFs are decent, the problem is that they offer nothing at all to a gang. But for solo work, they're great for small scale lowsec belt piracy and a skilled AF pilot can easily kill anyone in another frig based ship or a t1 cruiser. I'd be really surprised to die to an AF in my Thorax, Vexor, Rupture, or Stabber. The T1 Amarr cruisers don't count. Also, I'd be surprised to die to an AF in my Blackbird. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Sean Faust Point of No Return	Posted - 2008.03.31 17:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Sean Faust AFs are decent, the problem is that they offer nothing at all to a gang. But for solo work, they're great for small scale lowsec belt piracy and a skilled AF pilot can easily kill anyone in another frig based ship or a t1 cruiser. I'd be really surprised to die to an AF in my Thorax, Vexor, Rupture, or Stabber. The T1 Amarr cruisers don't count. Also, I'd be surprised to die to an AF in my Blackbird. -Liang EWAR ships don't count =P. Also, piracy implies taking on a helpless PvE fitted ship. A good AF can own a PvE fitted cruiser =P
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.31 17:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Sean Faust EWAR ships don't count =P. Also, piracy implies taking on a helpless PvE fitted ship. A good AF can own a PvE fitted cruiser =P I'd put money on a regular fitted PVP frig, let alone a PVP AF. I took down a PVP caracal solo in my Rifter once.. was pretty funny. Also, Taranis > all at this task. :P -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.31 17:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Liang Nuren I'd be really surprised to die to an AF in my Thorax, Vexor, Rupture, or Stabber. The T1 Amarr cruisers don't count. -Liang Is that a challange?
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2008.03.31 18:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Dheorl Is that a challange? Yes, for two reasons: - I don't often fly t1 cruisers anymore - I'm in 0.0 and there's an alliance moratorium on piracy. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Admiral Pelleon	Posted - 2008.03.31 21:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Julius Romanus Psssst, vengeance uses rockets DOH! I totally forgot that they changed that. Sigh. I guess it shows that I don't fly AF's... hell, I barely fly the wolf and jag, and they're the "best" AF's. And still crap. -Liang I can fly both the Caldari and Amarr AF's and I'll say that the AF I fear the most would be either the enyo or the ishkur. They're excellent, excellent ships. ________ Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Originally by: Tarminic I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.

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