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SoldierOfFortune
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Posted - 2008.03.31 15:39:00 -
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Just looking for some information really on the changes to bp wastage (Rounding up)
on a random bp I've got it states that it will use;
73 Units of Mex Per Run
now normaly i would put all this into a spreadsheet and work out how meny units of mex would be needed for say.. 1000 runs. The problem is for 1000 units instead of 73,000 units of mex it takes 73,456.
Now i know this is becuase of the rounding up change, but if the bpo only displays "73" units (without the .XX info) how am i ment to work out the real ammount needed before i try to put it into production :S
is there anyway i can get a more exact (Eg 73.15) reading from the bp.
Thanks for reading, ty o7
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SoldierOfFortune
Sheepish R and D
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Posted - 2008.03.31 16:07:00 -
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I've found away to calcuate the extra waste. (totaly forgot about the bp wastage value)
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I applogise for my idioisy 
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Caeli Maren
Dark Canyon Corporation
Empire Research
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Posted - 2008.03.31 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Caeli Maren on 31/03/2008 19:31:10
I think your problem is that your waste isn't exactly 0.62%
I expect you have a bpo with ME15. The waste of most bpos at me15 is .1/16 = .00625, or WasteFactor / (1 + MineralEff)
if you use .00625 as the waste, the numbers work out properly...
73 * (1 + .00625) * 1000 = 73456.25, or 73456.
No ceiling is ever needed, floor (or maybe round, I forget) is only used on the final number.
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Healer Axim
Chinchilla Industries
Manifest Destiny.
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Posted - 2008.03.31 19:40:00 -
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save yourself the headache...hehe
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=398536
displays waste % for a run size
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Burchov
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Posted - 2008.03.31 20:09:00 -
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Also, waste is rounded, not rounded up. A waste of 0.49 is rounded to 0, not 1. CCP promised to fix that with Trinity 1.1, but as expected that didn't happen...
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SoldierOfFortune
Sheepish R and D
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Posted - 2008.04.01 01:07:00 -
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As normal my maths is very poor xD and the numbers do work out nicely with 0.625
but just to confirm. to work out the exact wastage its;
1/ML+1 or in the case of a ML30 bpo... 1/31 = 0.3225%
is that right? my dyslexia really does bugger me on up working out things using deviding xD
Anyway, Thank you all for your help ^_^ was dearly needed =D
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Dark Canyon Corporation
Empire Research
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Posted - 2008.04.02 05:02:00 -
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Your answer is correct. You should put parentheses in your formula, but you did the math right.
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Artmedis Valben
Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2008.04.02 06:05:00 -
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Edited by: Artmedis Valben on 02/04/2008 06:12:18
you start with 10% (or 0,1) waste at ME0
Me1 = 5%
Me2 = 3,33%
Me3 = 2,5%
Me4 = 2%
Me5 = 1,67%
Me6 = 1,43%
Me7 = 1,25%
Me8 = 1,11%
Me9 = 1%
Me10 = 0,91%
Me15 = 0,63%
Me20 = 0,48%
Me25 = 0,38%
Me30 = 0,32%
Me40 = 0,24%
Me50 = 0,20%
Me75 = 0,13%
Me100 = 0,10%
Me150 = 0,07%
Me200 = 0,05%
Me500 = 0,02%
Me1000 = 0,01%
The Excel Formula is:
=ROUND((ROUND(ME0/1,1;0))*(1+(0,1/(1+ME))*#RUNS);0)
After Trinity 1,2:
=ROUNDUP((ROUND(ME0/1,1;0))*(1+(0,1/(1+ME))*#RUNS);0)
Another way is simply 1 unit wasted per (1+ME)*10 units used at ME0/1,1
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