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F'nog
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Posted - 2008.04.04 22:48:00 -
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Paramount announces a new Dune movie!
Yay. Let's hope they don't muck it up like the previous versions.
 Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Frezik
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Posted - 2008.04.04 23:28:00 -
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You have no choice but to muck it up. You can't fit that book in a 2-hour series. You can barely fit it in a 6-hour mini-series. Add to that the fact that most of the book takes place in the characters' heads. The book just doesn't translate well into a movie. It might work as a stage show, though, if you can somehow get a giant worm to burst out of the middle of rows 5-16.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.04.04 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 05/04/2008 00:00:57
I personally regard Frank Herbert and other of our great Science Fiction authors to include Clarke, Heinlein, Bradburry, Asimov (some of my favorites) as our contemporary prophets.
Perhaps you remember the Bene-gesuit Witches from Dune.
You have to know he was refering to the Jesuits in the Vatican, but more importantly remember the manipulation of the bloodlines aspect of their doctrine. The Black Nobility of the old Aristocracy still rules the world and interbreads their families.
Then there was the Tleilax with their gholas(clones). An obvious reference to our present day Eugenics programs that secretly carried out. The new DNA mapping. etc...
The Landsraad who were the rulers of the worlds in Herberts Dune. Those are your figurehead puppet Presidents and Prime Ministers.
Then of course there is the Guild and we in our reality can most easily refer to them as the Committee of 300 (The Olympians) who give orders to the Landsradd who they install through fake elections.
The best way I can say what is going on right now on planet Earth is that we are in fact being ruled by the House Harkonen.
The Muslims (our brothers and sisters) who we are being psychologically manipulated to hate and war upon (each are in fact the Freman (The Free Men) of Herbert's Dune and the oil of course is the Spice.
There are no Terrorists; there are in fact only Freedom Fighters who have been terrorized by the Harkonan.
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Keorythe
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Posted - 2008.04.05 00:33:00 -
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the movie's producers believe the theme of finite ecological resources is timely given the increasing threat of global warming. Perhaps this will be the start of a series of movies based on Herbert's books? If so, let's hope they can give them the royal movie treatment they deserve.
Going by this statement and the one by the dude above me its already leading up to be a big flop.
Why can't Hollywood just give us a decent Sci-Fi movie that doesn't have to be filled with recent politics and enuendo? I mean BSG had to be made by the sci-fi channel for frak's sake and while they had politics its was all over the place instead of the latest real headlines.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.04.05 00:43:00 -
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Battle Star Galactica was mastered as a PSYOP on the American public to coincide with this fake war on terror and to encourage acceptance of war and the draconian policies of the Patriot act and the radical destruction of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
It also served as psychological conditioning to acclamate the public for accepting the need for torture.
The Cylons representing Al Quieda and as well existing within our midst to encourage the paranoia that was being heaped on the public conciousness.
None of any of which was true then, or now.
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Frezik
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Keorythe
Going by this statement and the one by the dude above me its already leading up to be a big flop.
Ignore Sephra. He's just here to amuse us.
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Why can't Hollywood just give us a decent Sci-Fi movie that doesn't have to be filled with recent politics and enuendo?
Story writers always use politics of their time as a backdrop. The old Star Trek was very much a product of the Cold War, for instance. Even Romeo and Juliet had anti-Catholic undertones which were popular at that time in England.
In any case, Dune was written 30+ years ago, but it's highly applicable to the current political situation. There's a resource critical to the functioning of modern society, but most of it comes from a backwater place that's otherwise just a bunch of sand.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2008.04.05 06:03:00 -
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Sephra, so help me, keep you crap in your own threads.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.04.05 07:01:00 -
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Sephra star is like a conspiracy theory version of Johnny JoJo, she just randomly appears in a thread and starts filling it with crap.
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Posted - 2008.04.05 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
Stuff
Explain to me why they had the good guys making themselves suicide bombers then?
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.04.05 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 05/04/2008 07:48:15
Originally by: Bosie
Explain to me why they had the good guys making themselves suicide bombers then?
Same thing happens in real life.
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Polonium 210
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:15:00 -
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Don't think quality of that new Dune will be anywhere near to David Lynch's Dune, which was perfect movie. Would bet it'll be just another "freedom-fighting" piece of propaganda.
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Patch86
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:47:00 -
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/collapses
OK, so I know it'll almost certainly be terrible. But I still can't wait!
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Glassback
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:51:00 -
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I liked the Movie....
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Vladimir Ilych
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Posted - 2008.04.05 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimir Ilych on 05/04/2008 11:17:48
Originally by: Glassback
I liked the Movie....
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I liked the movie and the book(s).
You can't really expect movies of books to be the same down to the last line. The only exception to this rule I have seen is Sin City, which pretty much was the graphical novel frame for frame.
The Baron from the movie was awesome, but quite different from the book. Still thought he was great though.
"However, the Duke will die before these eyes! And he'll know, he'll know, that it is I, THE BARON VLADIMIR HARKONNEN, WHO ENCOMPASSES HIS DOOM!
Class work! 
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2008.04.05 18:21:00 -
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I liked the made-for-TV miniseries the best. The actors were unknowns, but the SFX were nice, and they paid more attention to the movie than David Lynch's take on Dune back in the eighties or whatever.
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Posted - 2008.04.05 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I liked the made-for-TV miniseries the best. The actors were unknowns, but the SFX were nice, and they paid more attention to the movie than David Lynch's take on Dune back in the eighties or whatever.
While i did like the mini sries there was always this little voice in the back of head that was laughing my ass off at the imperial troops uniforms 
I guess they got so good at hand to hand due the fact they fought everybody that laughed at that lame ass uniform...
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Posted - 2008.04.05 18:46:00 -
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With regards to the war on terror - why is it called a war? Has the US or UN declared a state of warfare (I watched Blairs declaration of war a long time back) and if not is it the wrong thing to call a war?
We had terrorism worse than this back in the days of the IRA so I am told, so why is everyone getting their knickers in a twist over the current ones?
Not to make 7/7 seem insignificant but the extreme we have taken kind of is exactly what their goal is.....
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.04.05 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
With regards to the war on terror - why is it called a war? Has the US or UN declared a state of warfare (I watched Blairs declaration of war a long time back) and if not is it the wrong thing to call a war?
We had terrorism worse than this back in the days of the IRA so I am told, so why is everyone getting their knickers in a twist over the current ones?
Not to make 7/7 seem insignificant but the extreme we have taken kind of is exactly what their goal is.....
An answer to some of your questions...
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Vladimir Ilych
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Posted - 2008.04.05 20:11:00 -
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Please don't hijack threads
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.04.05 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Ilych
Please don't hijack threads
I had no intention of hijacking a thread. I merely andswered a specific question made by someone.
It is interesting that the same people who complain about me posting in a thread they start enjoy busting in on the threads I start and posting nothing but insulting remarks as opposed to something of informative, or opinionative value. Seems like they have a double standard.
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Joseph 9
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.05 20:48:00 -
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IBTL.
Frankly Dune is unfilmable, Lynch probably got as close as anyone will ever get, although he bottled the ending out as well. In the book the Fremen wage their Jihad across the Universe regardless of the Emperor and Landsrads surrender, and Paul simply comes to terms with the fact taht the universe works that way. In the film he becomes Emperor and everything ends Hunky Dory.
And has anyone else noticed that the Wheel of Time books are a really really poor rip off of the Dune books?
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2008.04.05 20:59:00 -
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i really, really like Dune. i even like the di laurentis version for the imagery which is perfectly aligned with how i imagined the dune universe from the book.*
That said, unless they go for the overblown LOTR style epic, it's going to be rubbish. i didn't like the "Frank Herbert's Dune" 3 parter much because it didn;t have the scope or the ambition of the flawed first movie.
I'd rather they tried to capture that and go down in flames, than produce a better movie that doesn't have the same 'feel'.
and sephra, you've gone from doing a clever joke extremely well, to spamming up interesting freds. quality over quantity fella.
*there is only one dune book. one.
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Vladimir Ilych
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Posted - 2008.04.05 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimir Ilych on 05/04/2008 21:30:09
Originally by: ry ry
i really, really like Dune. i even like the di laurentis version for the imagery which is perfectly aligned with how i imagined the dune universe from the book
Yes, the sets were epic and as you say captured what I felt from the book. The court of the Emperor especially.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2008.04.07 04:18:00 -
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Let's just get this out in the open: I LOVE Dune, even the newer novels. In college I was "the Dune guy" -- luckily this corresponded with the release of Dune II, so my non-Dune friends enjoyed it too, and we could make jokes about "I conquered Arrakis and all I got was this lousy T-shirt".
Anyway, I love and loath the first film and the miniseries for different reasons.
The Lynch version was amazingly true to the novel in many ways, especially using the novel's text verbatim many times, but countered this by going waaaaaaay off the map in others. I saw it before I read the books, so I kept looking for the Wierding modules to appear in the next one I read (along with 3rd-stage Navigators). Finally I realized it was a cheap, but neat, ploy to avoid having bloody knife fights all the time. But then Lynch added heart plugs and the Baron's skin disease for no apparent reason, other than to reintroduce all the blood that was removed.
The style of the movie is quite good, and really fits in well with the story, except for the whole bald Bene Gesserit thing (wtf?). My three main problems were the stillsuits' lack of a mask, the "ornithopters" and the ending after the battle. The novel ends so well that I just can't imagine why that wasn't used.
The mini has a lot of good points, but some of the stylistic choices were a little too extreme for extreme's sake. But what really irked me was that the sietches were OUTSIDE. I know it's easier/cheaper, but come on! it totally flies in the face of everything that's Fremen. And there weren't any ornithopters!
Also, is it so hard to follow the text? Irulan states that the Emperor, while in his 70s, had the appearance of a 35 year-old. That's so easy to incorporate. At least the mini had boobies.
So I'm really hoping we can get a 3+ hour film that stays fairly true to the original.
Here's hoping they'll follow LotR and put some effort into staying true to the story as much as possible.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Frezik
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Posted - 2008.04.07 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Here's hoping they'll follow LotR and put some effort into staying true to the story as much as possible.
That's the underlieing problem, though. A Dune movie will have to be at least as long as the combined length of the theatrical versions of LotR. That set of movies was a big financial risk, and Hollywood is extremely risk adverse. Despite the success, I don't think we'll see a set of movies like LotR again soon.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2008.04.07 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Originally by: F'nog
Here's hoping they'll follow LotR and put some effort into staying true to the story as much as possible.
That's the underlieing problem, though. A Dune movie will have to be at least as long as the combined length of the theatrical versions of LotR. That set of movies was a big financial risk, and Hollywood is extremely risk adverse. Despite the success, I don't think we'll see a set of movies like LotR again soon.
Not at all. Dune is long, but nowhere as near as LotR. One movie can encompass it if done intelligently. It would be nice if it were in 3 installments, but that's not going to happen.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Devoras2
Amarr
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.09 14:49:00 -
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This next movie, can we expect it to be the next book in the series: God Emperor of Dune?
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