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Florius Turpilias Imperial Slavers	Posted - 2008.04.07 10:11:00 - [1] For the greater good of all the Minmatar, I am assigned to relocate them to the Amarr Empire as slaves. I am proud to serve god and empire with this activity. Many people sell the slaves in the so called republic, many of the sellers are Matari Slaves themselves, ... strangely enough. However, that is not the issue at hand here, I recently aquired a slave that seems to have more potential than the common slaves. I've installed the latest versions of some mind-controlling cybernetics and did a download of the brains different cortex'. The download shows the slave is quite adept in flying Amarrian and Minmatar ships, and also can use tech II equipment in abundance. If I would classify him to Amarrian schooling standards I'd say he would have over 23 million skillpoints, mostly in combat education. It would make a perfect combat slave with the right obedience chips and treatment added. I do however have to remark that I found some Concord records of this slave that would make him an outlaw to Concord Standards, but that can be seen as adept combat-education that just needs to be repolished by Amarrian ethics. Is there a market for these kind of slaves? Are there corporations in the Amarr Empire willing to buy such slaves? Is installing a slave like this in providence to be directed by CVA perhaps a good idea? Florius Turpilias.
Andreus Ixiris	Posted - 2008.04.07 14:31:00 - [2] "We treat our slaves well! We would never willingly place them in danger! It is only the heathen, terrorist Minmatar who would kill their own!" ----- CEO, Heretic Logistics Dance Commander
Mr Reeth The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.04.07 17:12:00 - [3] ThereÆs not much of a market for what youÆre selling with any sane Amarrian. While we do use soldier slaves these slaves are unflinchingly loyal. They charge into battle with faith and courage. They are called Kameiras. It seems you are asking us to buy slave that are less than perfectly obedient and then arm them. Why donÆt I save the poor slave the trouble and blow my own head off. Also, be careful about what implants you use on your slaves. Using the wrong type of implant is what got all four major empires to go and knock on Sanshas door.
Florius Turpilias Imperial Slavers	Posted - 2008.04.07 17:13:00 - [4] Well, it's not that this slave wasn't doing dangerous things when he was not under Amarrian care. Putting him with the proper training on an Amarrian ship with our excellent god-guided fleet commanders to steer him, will certainly enhance his odds of survival in the universe, for sure. In a sense, he will be much safer as he'd ever been as our fleet could theoretically insure his existence with a fleet-clone in a vat. I'm sure this poor beggar cannot afford it now. Not sure how to interpret your views of this (mind you, most excellent) quote. Florius Turpilias
Florius Turpilias Imperial Slavers	Posted - 2008.04.07 17:21:00 - [5] Originally by: Mr Reeth ThereÆs not much of a market for what youÆre selling with any sane Amarrian. While we do use soldier slaves these slaves are unflinchingly loyal. They charge into battle with faith and courage. They are called Kameiras. It seems you are asking us to buy slave that are less than perfectly obedient and then arm them. Why donÆt I save the poor slave the trouble and blow my own head off. Also, be careful about what implants you use on your slaves. Using the wrong type of implant is what got all four major empires to go and knock on Sanshas door. The Kameiras are mere footsoldiers, this one has much more potential. But I do understand your concerns. Hmm, perhaps it is indeed more wise to send him to a special program to ensure the slave understands his fate is in the hands of God and not in my or his own hands. Is there a corporation that specializes in training the slaves the path towards enlightenment and could show this slave the truth?
Shiaari Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.07 19:34:00 - [6] Combat Slaves? You think this is new? The last estate Holder I knew who dabbled in the concept of the "Battleslave"... was executed for treason. At the risk of compromising politically sensitive information I'll simply leave you this: Don't do it.
Avel Kereka	Posted - 2008.04.07 19:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Shiaari Combat Slaves? You think this is new? The last estate Holder I knew who dabbled in the concept of the "Battleslave"... was executed for treason. At the risk of compromising politically sensitive information I'll simply leave you this: Don't do it. I'm not sure what you mean by this, but he can do what he pleases with his slaves. Slaves have no rights. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Shern Delictum 23216	Posted - 2008.04.07 21:43:00 - [8] Even if slaves have no rights, surely masters have duties ? Slaves do have to be taught right, if they are to progress proper ?
Becq Starforged	Posted - 2008.04.08 00:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Shern Even if slaves have no rights, surely masters have duties ? Slaves do have to be taught right, if they are to progress proper ? According to the Theology Council, masters do not even have the duty to provide basic sustenance to slaves, and it is acceptable (though possibly wasteful) to load them into ships and set them adrift. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
HellSpreader	Posted - 2008.04.08 01:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Becq Starforged According to the Theology Council, masters do not even have the duty to provide basic sustenance to slaves, and it is acceptable (though possibly wasteful) to load them into ships and set them adrift. [/quote I disagree with this, on the grounds that it is not only wasteful but cruel to people who serve us and possibly share our beliefs.

Andreus Ixiris Heretic Logistics DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.04.08 02:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Becq Starforged According to the Theology Council, masters do not even have the duty to provide basic sustenance to slaves, and it is acceptable (though possibly wasteful) to load them into ships and set them adrift. Ah, but Becq, you forget, Starvation = Enlightenment! It would explain, for instance, why people like Rodj never have to worry about being intelligent. ----- CEO, Heretic Logistics Dance Commander
Mr Reeth The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.04.08 02:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Avel Kereka Originally by: Shiaari Combat Slaves? You think this is new? The last estate Holder I knew who dabbled in the concept of the "Battleslave"... was executed for treason. At the risk of compromising politically sensitive information I'll simply leave you this: Don't do it. I'm not sure what you mean by this, but he can do what he pleases with his slaves. Slaves have no rights. Not true Avel. There are a number of holders who have "gone missing" because of what they have done to/with their slaves. It's almost never made known to the general public though.
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2008.04.08 02:51:00 - [13] Voluntary workers like that which you describe are welcome in our Ammatar-run rehabilitation programmes, such as the S.E.P. They are educated, clothed and given a purpose. San Matari Official forums
Avel Kereka The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.04.08 03:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Mr Reeth Originally by: Avel Kereka Originally by: Shiaari Combat Slaves? You think this is new? The last estate Holder I knew who dabbled in the concept of the "Battleslave"... was executed for treason. At the risk of compromising politically sensitive information I'll simply leave you this: Don't do it. I'm not sure what you mean by this, but he can do what he pleases with his slaves. Slaves have no rights. Not true Avel. There are a number of holders who have "gone missing" because of what they have done to/with their slaves. It's almost never made known to the general public though. I'm against slave abuse, but kidnapping Theology Council-backed Holders is not Amarrian. In fact, you'll be marked as a criminal in the very Empire you seek to serve. Peaceful work twoards a code of slave standards would get much further.
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2008.04.08 03:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Avel Kereka I'm against slave abuse, but kidnapping Theology Council-backed Holders is not Amarrian. In fact, you'll be marked as a criminal in the very Empire you seek to serve. Peaceful work twoards a code of slave standards would get much further. Heh heh... Who do you think authorizes these disappearances?
Florius Turpilias Imperial Slavers	Posted - 2008.04.08 21:56:00 - [16] I was really under the impression that the fleet uses a lot of slaves on their ships and using Vitoc to have the salves focused on their tasks on board. At least, that is what I get from the gal-net database when I read the description from Vitoc. I quote: Quote: The method first appeared a few centuries ago when the Amarrians started manning some of their space ships with slaves. As space crew the slaves had to be cajoled into doing complex, often independent work, making older methods of slave control undesirable. Although the more conventional ways of subduing slaves with force (actual or threat of) are still widely used in other forced labor areas, the Vitoc method has proven itself admirably for the fleet. Favoring a rod myself I am not too well informed about the vitoc-method. I was just wondering if there was a market for a slave that could not only do mundane tasks aboard, but also complex things as navigating and flying into combat for Ammarian corporations as the slave has exceptional skills for that. But before this gets into an endless discussion of slavery being right or wrong, I've found some more info about S.E.P. mr. Scagga Laebetrovo. Thank you kindly for your information, it is of great use and interest to me and answers my question fully.


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