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Pantaloon McPants
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.04.07 16:49:00 -
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you make a da monies, you spend a da monies on ships, you pvdap in da face, its a easy ! ayye!
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Jongo Fett
Save Yourself Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.07 16:55:00 -
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i personaly think that the hitpoint buff is one of the things thats making pvp less
viable in smaller gangs, as it means that it takes longer for you to kill a person sure you can survive longer for this is also time for your target to scream for help in corp chat this is why nano setups have taken off for pvp so much as people now can just leg it when tons of reinforcements come.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.04.07 17:02:00 -
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I think you're overreacting a little bit Siig. 
On some points, I agree - they will put L5 missions in lowsec, but any talk of L4s in lowsec are blasphemous. Making it hard to scan down missioners, that's catering to the carebears.
But on the whole, I think CCP are doing okay right now. The Amarr and Caldari ship buffs were nice, especially for the former, I've heard that black ops and cyno jammers are getting looked into, et cetera.
Just keep being vigilant like the rest of us  .
 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
i'm not a very good gambler
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Pantaloon McPants
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.04.07 17:05:00 -
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jonjo u are a tard, seriously. the worst thing in this game is grinding for 12 hrs to finaly get your ship then to have it explode in 2 seconds, its the pits. its the big sux.
and by big sux i mean BIG SUX! (ooright?)
if they made all the business of making isk less of a burden to the backside, you would get more people pvping not the other way around. wow lets make it 20x easier to grief and gank people trying to make isk to get ships to pvp! if noone had any isk they would surley all want to PVP THEN!?>????????
ppl need isk to buy skills to buy ships to pvp with you and have a good time. if your missing targets set more people to red or move to somewhere that isnt a mission running gank system. tards.
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ArmyOfMe
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.04.07 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cissnei
the vets with hundreds of billions of isk paying for their game time with in game cash no longer contribute to things like server maintenance, bandwidth, employee salaries, sanitation, local and government taxes, etc.
WTF are you talking about, learn how things work before you post please
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Jongo Fett
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Posted - 2008.04.07 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Pantaloon McPants
jonjo u are a tard, seriously. the worst thing in this game is grinding for 12 hrs to finaly get your ship then to have it explode in 2 seconds, its the pits. its the big sux.
and by big sux i mean BIG SUX! (ooright?)
if they made all the business of making isk less of a burden to the backside, you would get more people pvping not the other way around. wow lets make it 20x easier to grief and gank people trying to make isk to get ships to pvp! if noone had any isk they would surley all want to PVP THEN!?>????????
ppl need isk to buy skills to buy ships to pvp with you and have a good time. if your missing targets set more people to red or move to somewhere that isnt a mission running gank system. tards.
Eve is ment to be a hard game its not WoW in space.. if you dont want your ship blowing up in 2 seconds simply dont undock in it, 1 simple rule in eve never fly what you cant afford to loose.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2008.04.07 17:48:00 -
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Either you are ignorant or trolling.
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
CCP has multiple times nerfed directional scanning.
And sometime rebuffed it. Forgot that, isn't it?
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CCP has made it incredibly difficult to probe out mission runners.
Blatantly false. The fact that it is harder does not mean that it is hard at all. I can probe down a mission runner in about 100 sec, and I am far from being fully skilled/implanted. Maybe it's you that do not bother with scanning skills?
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CCP has made highsec more desirable with the introduction of low-end ores into highsec (arkonor in highsec, anyone?)
While this is partially true, you are "omitting" some things and being wrong on others. There is no arkanor in highsec. There are low-sec ores, that much is true, but arkanor is a 0.0 ore. Moreover, it's not like that such "arkanor" is farmed in any way. It must be found by long and patient exploration of many systems.
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CCP continues to give neat toys to carebears and PVPers are left with the same old modules.
I suppose HICs are a pvm tools. That's why they are the preferred ships of gate campers.
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N1fty
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Posted - 2008.04.07 17:51:00 -
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n00bies, pay attention: now, this is the way to troll. Continue, Siigari.
http://storietime.com/gsy/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=889
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N00byn00blar
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.07 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
CCP buffed HP on all ships to make for "extended" engagements.
CCP has multiple times nerfed directional scanning.
CCP has made it incredibly difficult to probe out mission runners.
CCP has gimped certain modules that are considered staples in PVP setups (one example is the EANM II).
CCP has made highsec more desirable with the introduction of low-end ores into highsec (arkonor in highsec, anyone?)
CCP continues to give neat toys to carebears and PVPers are left with the same old modules (like Taco Bell. New presentation, old ingredients). They're even breaking the rules and are going to allow carebear CAPITALS into highsec.
CCP has given players WTZ (this may come back to bite me in the ass, while I appreciate it as a tool I believe it was the beginning of the end).
CCP has changed the billboards from "Wanted from crimes against humanity" to saying only "Wanted for crimes". Was that a politically correct move, or are they just trying to make it less "evil?" Pirates like to be jerks. Let them be extolled, not just "seen."
CCP will not admit that they are destroying the game that they crafted.
The HP buff was to extend engagements, this is neither anti- nor pro pvp.
Directional scanning and probing out mission runners: it seems to me that what you want more of is easier gank v player, not pvp.
Arkonor in high sec? Where? The last I heard there is a chance of spawning asteroid types slightly better than one might ordinarily find in that system. So you'll most often find Gneiss or Dark Ochre in a 0.1 for example. High sec you'll probably find jaspet or hemorphite.
Capitals in high-sec? Yes, jump freighters. No better for you if you only operate in high sec (they can't cyno around high sec) and 4 times more expensive than a normal freighter with much less capacity.
WTZ - CCP have given you interdiction.
I think perhaps before writing a message about how bad the whole thing is, you should do a little research to satisfy yourself that what you are saying is actually correct.
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Shintai
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Posted - 2008.04.07 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I have been doing a ton of things in EVE recently, trying to expand my knowledgebase and learn more about the game.
I kill players. As I have been watching the game progress and evolve, I have noticed some things happen that have caused EVE to turn into more of a carebear game as every patch passes.
This is probably beaten into the ground by now, but here are things that I have seen (feel free to contribute anything I have left out).
CCP buffed HP on all ships to make for "extended" engagements.
CCP has multiple times nerfed directional scanning.
CCP has made it incredibly difficult to probe out mission runners.
CCP has gimped certain modules that are considered staples in PVP setups (one example is the EANM II).
CCP has made highsec more desirable with the introduction of low-end ores into highsec (arkonor in highsec, anyone?)
CCP continues to give neat toys to carebears and PVPers are left with the same old modules (like Taco Bell. New presentation, old ingredients). They're even breaking the rules and are going to allow carebear CAPITALS into highsec.
CCP has given players WTZ (this may come back to bite me in the ass, while I appreciate it as a tool I believe it was the beginning of the end).
CCP has changed the billboards from "Wanted from crimes against humanity" to saying only "Wanted for crimes". Was that a politically correct move, or are they just trying to make it less "evil?" Pirates like to be jerks. Let them be extolled, not just "seen."
CCP will not admit that they are destroying the game that they crafted.
This is a small list, but it piles up the more you think about how each one of these things affects your gameplay. Each bit in here has made true PVP more difficult. I am not saying it's impossible, PVP is possible and very enjoyable. But is it as accessible anymore? That's for us to decide...
As one of the people that gatecamped so early in the game where you wasnt born. Attacked GMs and tanked concord and killed players in highsec without concord could kill me. Using so much stacked things that I could instantkill most things.
Let me tell you, there is now MORE PvP in eve, WTZ have done nothing, it doesnt save you on the other side of teh gate does it? HICs does what? Can you counter a HIC with a good placed bubble? Can you?
In short, you are clueless and go play hellokitty and come back.
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
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Norjia Blacksteel
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Posted - 2008.04.07 18:24:00 -
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WTZ was needed to take care of the damned insta problem. Instas were stupid from a design/gameplay perspective, and smakked the hell out of the database. WTZ was a good move.
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Norjia Blacksteel
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Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.08 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 08/04/2008 02:09:45
edit: post 42! see, I know the meaning of the life, the universe and everything. Heed what I have to say!
I agree that WTZ was not the failure of PVP. This was a necessary thing that had to happen to cause the game to stop having some serious problems (benefits outweighing the negatives).
At any rate, PVP in eve should be a short quick engagement. In small fights. I personally prefer small gang pvp or 1v1s. I still find plenty of that. I also like the scene of a huge blob war, because those are very entertaining and are great battles where each person matters to add whatever they can.
The point of my post is not that EVE is dying, or that PVP is not present, or that the PVPers aren't getting any perks. Sure there are things that PVPers are getting and toys to play with, but on the all and all the PVPers are getting the short end of the stick and CCP is changing the general direction of the game.
Sakura said it right when he mentioned the thing about level 5s and level 4s. While that was nowhere a part of my post, he took the time to think on it and pull out how these things affect the players. There are plenty of aspects of the game that are affected when you start tweaking things.
As for things such as the HP buff, this causes PVP to no longer be "fast and hard" and causes it to turn into a blob war. Frigate blobs are less effective. New types of gangs are coming around (as MMOs evolve) but that means that drastic changes come about that causes people to switch up skilltrainings nearly every year.
Additionally the scanner has been beaten to a pulp. Once you could use the scanner with quick reflexes and speed. The minibrowser's map displayed on the map making it very intuitive. One patch though they took that out, and now directional scanning has turned into a race of "spin the camera," and that can be sometimes very frustrating when you're in a time pinch. Next they started nerfing things that display on the scanner. They took stations out. They took rats out (for a somewhat valid reason). They made the scanner a tool that a pilot has to cope with rather than use in harmony such as the rest of the game. I can use the directional scanner efficiently, however I would prefer it had its old look and feel back.
Finally, I'm hearing you guys whine a lot about the ore thing. Exploration in highsec (exploration is generally a carebearing activity) can give you nice ores such as arkonor, bistot, crokite and ochres. Apparently y'all need to do your own research before you accuse me of not doing mine. So don't yell at me for not having the complete picture.
I know about how the PVPers and pirates are getting help in areas. I just choose not to post about it.
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Corstaad
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
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Posted - 2008.04.08 02:20:00 -
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I'm not going to say this game is carebear but you can turn your playerbase into carebears ie WoW.
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Sylper Illysten
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.04.08 02:50:00 -
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When will the gankbears get the message that EVE is not just an FPS in space. If that's the way you want ot play fine, just realise that some of us may not be interested. Furthermore the thing doing the most damage to PVP in EVE is the rabid kill everything that moves PVP crowd. PVP for a reason people can respect (be it political/personal etc) PVP just because you feel like being a jerk merely makes people less likely to PVP.
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Titan Pilot
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.08 02:56:00 -
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Interesting points.
1. WTZ - I agree, it has made roaming and raiding very easy to both attempt and escape.
2. Scanning targets - Again, I agree. Scanning down targets is almost a waste now because most ships are aligned and burning to a warpable object. Anything slow is usually a cloaker and will just SS and cloak up.
3. Blobing is what most PVPers consider PVP. Ever go raiding with an alliance and watch them brag about a battle they won. Look at the KM and you will see like 10-20 ships. How anyone can be proud of this is beyond me.
Conclusion:
1. PVP is harder now (HP buff, blobing, KM stat *****s)
2. It is alot easier to avoid combat (Cloakers, WTZ, Nanoships)
I am currently burned out of PVP and taking a break. I hope CCP takes notice of these threads and starts thinking about PVP. It is not what it was 2 years ago.
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Overwhelmed
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Posted - 2008.04.08 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Titan Pilot
1. PVP is harder now (HP buff, blobing, KM stat *****s)
This just in: Blizzard introduces harder bosses for raiding guilds.
Conclusion: PvE is dead.
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zoltar
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Posted - 2008.04.08 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
CCP has made highsec more desirable with the introduction of low-end ores into highsec (arkonor in highsec, anyone?)
can you please tell me where you seen this 
you dont need to lie to be cool 
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Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.08 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: zoltar
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
CCP has made highsec more desirable with the introduction of low-end ores into highsec (arkonor in highsec, anyone?)
can you please tell me where you seen this
you dont need to lie to be cool
http://www.d-nightmare.de/exploration/OGDB/list.php?type=1&order=realsecurity
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.04.08 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sylper Illysten
When will the gankbears get the message that EVE is not just an FPS in space. If that's the way you want ot play fine, just realise that some of us may not be interested. Furthermore the thing doing the most damage to PVP in EVE is the rabid kill everything that moves PVP crowd. PVP for a reason people can respect (be it political/personal etc) PVP just because you feel like being a jerk merely makes people less likely to PVP.
If I owned CCP I'd have them install a server filter that bans anyone who says things like this.
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Decard Sune
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.08 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Sylper Illysten
When will the gankbears get the message that EVE is not just an FPS in space. If that's the way you want ot play fine, just realise that some of us may not be interested. Furthermore the thing doing the most damage to PVP in EVE is the rabid kill everything that moves PVP crowd. PVP for a reason people can respect (be it political/personal etc) PVP just because you feel like being a jerk merely makes people less likely to PVP.
If I owned CCP I'd have them install a server filter that bans anyone who says things like this.
Truth hurts?
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.04.08 03:38:00 -
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Well I guess technically he was still a scoche away from literally saying "I want there to be a PvP flag in Eve".
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Gerand Terrace
NeRdHeRd
EVOCATI Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.08 04:33:00 -
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Sir you are not everyone and not everyone wants to play this game as a PvP game. If you are complaining about how it's not as easy to kill someone, that's good, it's called good game balance and in the end it may not help you but it helps the thousands of other people who play this game as well. |
Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.08 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Hannobaal on 08/04/2008 04:33:20
Originally by: Cissnei
the vets with hundreds of billions of isk paying for their game time with in game cash no longer contribute to things like server maintenance, bandwidth, employee salaries, sanitation, local and government taxes, etc.
 :cripes:
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Tellenta
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Posted - 2008.04.08 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
CCP has made it incredibly difficult to probe out mission runners.
decide...
You lost credit right there. Sorry friend, but if anything they made it easier. If I take my mission domi to lowsec I have 15 minutes tops before I would have to warp away in fear from the mission probers that just showed up. Compared to last year when the only thing I would have to worry about was station camps and gate camps. Yeah its harder alright.
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Remlin
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Posted - 2008.04.08 05:58:00 -
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Edited by: Remlin on 08/04/2008 06:06:01
 I used directional scanning today. It works.
At one time, scan probes were not in the game.
When scan probes were introduced they did not work well.
It is easier and faster now to probe for targets.
Scanning and probing targets is an example of a evolutionary progress in EvE and very much PvP.
So if it works and there's been definite progress how is that wrong ... it's not, this thread whines.
As for all the other stuff...
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Blah blah blah
Freakin ungrateful.
Just how many bug reports and positive actions do you contribute?
You need step back from the computer and get some sun.
Your points are invalid and just drudge up the many threads that have discussed these changes. None of anything you tried to use to validate your point was original. All has been discussed, threaded and accepted.
It's also just not cool that you try to stir people up with "feel free to contribute anything I have left out" to emphasize your aimless point and invite others to be ungrateful.
It's about time you and the other monkeys who criticize more than contribute to stop freaking out over changes, learn to adapt and just simply play the game.
For your next post, please discuss it with you corp buddies or friends and think it thru before hitting the forums.
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2008.04.08 06:21:00 -
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You forgot:
- They are selling mittens in the Eve Store, and as everyone knows, mittens make it difficult to do things like pull triggers.
- At the last fan-fest the devs kept saying, "Can't we all just get along?"
Very telling, no?
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Siigari Kitawa
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Posted - 2008.04.08 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Remlin
stuff
Sorry pal, my views do not reflect my corporation's views.
I don't know if you really read into it, but I enjoy the game very much. I've never threatened to cancel my accounts or gotten upset over humongous game imbalances (even though some exist and some choose to I decide to distance myself from the heat and watch it unfold from a distance.)
I submit bug reports. I post in Game Development about things I think should be improved/fixed. You are posting off the cuff after reading one thread and thinking I'm just here to whine.
Got news for you: this isn't a whine, this is my personal view.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2008.04.08 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I know about how the PVPers and pirates are getting help in areas. I just choose not to post about it.
= troll.
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Celeste Coeval
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Posted - 2008.04.08 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I have been doing a ton of things in EVE recently, trying to expand my knowledgebase and learn more about the game.
I kill players. As I have been watching the game progress and evolve, I have noticed some things happen that have caused EVE to turn into more of a carebear game as every patch passes.
This is probably beaten into the ground by now, but here are things that I have seen (feel free to contribute anything I have left out).
CCP buffed HP on all ships to make for "extended" engagements. stuff dies still, myself included
CCP has multiple times nerfed directional scanning. i have no problem with directional scanners
CCP has made it incredibly difficult to probe out mission runners. i can get you a mission runner on 1 scan cycle
CCP has gimped certain modules that are considered staples in PVP setups (one example is the EANM II). Bleh so? It's universal so everyone is gimped, which means everyone is normal
CCP has made highsec more desirable with the introduction of low-end ores into highsec (arkonor in highsec, anyone?) ark in high sec? lol, if you found ark in high sec consider yourself the winner of the high sec jackpot...not the standrad find.
CCP continues to give neat toys to carebears and PVPers are left with the same old modules (like Taco Bell. New presentation, old ingredients). They're even breaking the rules and are going to allow carebear CAPITALS into highsec.
CCP has given players WTZ (this may come back to bite me in the ass, while I appreciate it as a tool I believe it was the beginning of the end).
CCP has changed the billboards from "Wanted from crimes against humanity" to saying only "Wanted for crimes". Was that a politically correct move, or are they just trying to make it less "evil?" Pirates like to be jerks. Let them be extolled, not just "seen."
CCP will not admit that they are destroying the game that they crafted.
You know you didn't really say anything other than state the obvious. So basically CCP has made carebears happy with new toys (a jump freighter for high sec lol) and nothing for pvp'ers?
I call troll on this tbqh
Originally by: Lance Fighter
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Remlin
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Posted - 2008.04.08 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Got news for you: this isn't a whine, this is my personal view.
I read this thread which you had started that contained a bunch of drudged up topics that you tried to use to emphasize your agenda.
Which read like "CCP this and that" .. jumbled together with ...
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
"CCP will not admit that they are destroying the game that they crafted"
Maybe you did have a point and maybe it did not get articulated properly this time as you intended. That why I suggested that you think your next post thru.
But because you offered nothing productive and invited others to complain about their experiences...
Yes. Pal. It's a whine.
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