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Captain Falcord
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.08 19:51:00 -
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Please introduce cheating :)
One of the reasons I joined EVE is that it supports illegal actions as a valid game option, like being a pirate, a scammer...
I would like this to be extended to the new ambulation stuff. If it's true they're introducing poker, make be able to cheat on it. Risks involved, ok, but I won't play a single minigame if I can't "be a pirate" there :P.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.08 19:54:00 -
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If they introduce a /cheat command they have to introduce /tableflip and /barfight ones too.
Also, since this is poker we're talking about, they should support /strip
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Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.08 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 08/04/2008 21:27:21
Make yourself a IGB poker site and cheat the players however you design the IGB site. Then you too, can become a vegas superstar!
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.08 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tarminic on 08/04/2008 21:28:01
Problem is, how do you implement such a game mechanic without everyone just using it constantly?
EDIT: Totally down for a barfight command.
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Soporo
ironwood ink
Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2008.04.08 21:33:00 -
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Pfft, if they allow/foment cheating then Poker will be like LowSec is. Buncha prats jerkin each others chains, and everyone else avoiding it.
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Heiwa
Black Sun Mercenaries
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Posted - 2008.04.08 21:44:00 -
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No.
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Burnharder
Tiny Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.08 21:58:00 -
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It's the Eve way, but more likely than introducing a deliberate cheat mechanism, they'll screw up the coding and leave some exploits that'll be used constantly until they're fixed, making lots of players rich but which the rest of us will only discover when we read the patch notes. So it goes.
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CCP Eris Discordia
C C P
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Posted - 2008.04.08 22:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Heiwa
No.
We will not design 'cheating' or pirating into the game logic of our mini games.
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Xetu Noi
DKP
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Posted - 2008.04.08 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
Originally by: Heiwa
No.
We will not design 'cheating' or pirating into the game logic of our mini games.
Why not, you design it into every other aspect of the game and promote it to the ouside world as one of the major inovative features of EVE-Online. Seems to me this is actually a very good opportunity to expand the depth of play in ambulation.
Of course, make sure to enable the /barfight /drawlightsaber /jumpoutwindow commands also pls.....
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Lance Fighter
Safe Haven
North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2008.04.08 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xetu Noi
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
Originally by: Heiwa
No.
We will not design 'cheating' or pirating into the game logic of our mini games.
Why not, you design it into every other aspect of the game and promote it to the ouside world as one of the major inovative features of EVE-Online. Seems to me this is actually a very good opportunity to expand the depth of play in ambulation.
Of course, make sure to enable the /barfight /drawlightsaber /jumpoutwindow commands also pls.....
I believe that there should be some way to cheat, based on player skillz... Pulling off the cheating would be hard, and other players could catch you (if they notice). Make it hard, but at least put it in!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.04.08 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
If they introduce a /cheat command they have to introduce /tableflip and /barfight ones too.
Also, since this is poker we're talking about, they should support /strip
As long as it only results in mild bruising and stuff like that, I'm 100% in favor of it.
And to keep it "PG-rated", Galactic Rules state that in strip poker a player has lost if he's down to his underwear only 
Also, for reasons unknown, underwear is quantum-sealed : being observed acts as the lock mechanism (and catheters are mandatory, rofl... you can only change underwear in a dark room).
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Gamer4liff
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.04.08 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
Originally by: Heiwa
No.
We will not design 'cheating' or pirating into the game logic of our mini games.
The rest of EVE is a gritty unforgiving lawless landscape, why should minigames be any different? So long as other players can catch the cheater somehow I think it would add more depth and "realism" to the game.
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Heiwa
Black Sun Mercenaries
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Posted - 2008.04.09 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff
The rest of EVE is a gritty unforgiving lawless landscape, why should minigames be any different? So long as other players can catch the cheater somehow I think it would add more depth and "realism" to the game.
One of my hopes for ambulation is that it will bring in the ability for bar/casino owners to offer gaming tables to the public where people can become professional poker players as a means for income. Something that is more than possible in real life and would add yet another possible profession to the game.
Apart from that, it's my hope that bar owners can organize great in-game poker tournaments for top prizes as events that can be publicized in the Events forum. If a big enough event happens, or a recurring poker event becomes popular enough, you may even see coverage on EVE TV like you see with the real world World Series of Poker and the like.
All of this wonderful, player-driven content would be impossible if CCP created a "Cheat" skill or the like that could be trained that would give any player an unfair advantage over the others. Now, it's CCP's game and they can obviously do what they want. If they want the gambling tables to just be "flavor" and allow cheating or the "fixing" of games that's one thing, but it makes the above impossible and I think that would truly be a shame.
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Verlaine Glariant
Princeps Corp
T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.04.09 02:26:00 -
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Sincerely, no.
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Spacy Tracy
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.09 02:28:00 -
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Are you kidding? If they have poker in the game, cheating requires no extra work. AIM, ingame chat, even a plain old telephone allow collusion between any number of players.
Trust me - it'll happen naturally :)
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.09 02:34:00 -
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NO cheating in our friendly drinking as far as it can be prevented, ambulation is for socialising and rp unless I can pull out a chain gun no cheating.
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Tyr Vaantau
Synthetic Frontiers
Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.04.09 02:39:00 -
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Introducing cheating into simple mini-games like that sounds incredibly hard to do fairly.
1) What's to stop everyone doing it all the time?
2) And this will encourage people to play the mini-games? Nobody wants to play just so they can get screwed over.
3) It's a mini-game. Immersion factors are hardly going to be ruptured by the lack of cheating in a mini-game.
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.04.09 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
Originally by: Heiwa
No.
We will not design 'cheating' or pirating into the game logic of our mini games.
Wussies.
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Marcus TheMartin
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Posted - 2008.04.09 04:45:00 -
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will eve be able to tell If I am counting cards?
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ceyriot
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Posted - 2008.04.09 04:50:00 -
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only if you're on ventrilo going "one...two...three..."
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Merin Ryskin
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:05:00 -
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Remember, there's a key difference between EVE's existing "cheating" and cheating in a poker game: right now, "cheating" is entirely based on player skills, there's no game mechanic that lets you do it. Just like stopping cheating is entirely based on player skills, you can't depend on any game mechanic to protect you. Poker on the other hand, is different on both sides.
To cheat in poker (at least in the way the OP is thinking), you'd need some game mechanic that lets you do it. No amount of player skill will let you hide cards up your sleeves, grab the chips and run, etc, unless there's a game mechanic to support it. But then what's the point? Having something like a "cheat yes/no?" button, or training Cheating V on your gambler character is just lame. There's no skill involved in pressing a "cheat now" button.
Likewise, stopping cheating would require a game mechanic and not player skill. For example, if the player is running a stacked deck and non-random odds in his games of chance, how are you going to notice? Simple: you can't, at least not before you lose a ton of money to find out the hard way. The only way to spot cheating would be have Cheat Detection V trained, or something like that.
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Flibbeteh
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:25:00 -
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I hope they give us chess.. heh.
Games that require player-personal skill would be cool. I hope they introduce a betting system too.. A system where we can bet on really anything we want to so long as it's a game.
Dog races and chicken fighting would be kickass too. Let us release our illegalities online.
Cops would be cool too.. No flying that ship of yours intoxicated.
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Zartach Tzarszh
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Posted - 2008.04.09 06:07:00 -
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It would be interesting to have a racetrack that you can place bets on or something like that was in Earth and Beyond or i think it was 
Maybe have some sort of competition "arena" style where people can sub into a couple of days before the event and people can bet on? I guess it would be more of a combat thing cause a race would end up with everyone in the same ship.
Could make empire a lil more interesting, and can create a whole subculture with gamblers etc. Ofc it would have to be in lowsec only.
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Lysander Memnos
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
We will not 'design' cheating or pirating into the game logic of our mini games.
Fixed that for you.
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Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
Originally by: Heiwa
No.
We will not design 'cheating' or pirating into the game logic of our mini games.
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No?? But you did hand out "I win" isk printers thru the T2 Lottery and enable the formation of T2 BPO alliances that now dominate the best Moon mining areas, resulting in an economic situation that is very similar to feudalistic servitude for most of Eve.
Here's a toast to the education of Eve's new pod-pilots and the coming Revolution!
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Atreides Horza
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Falcord
Please introduce cheating :)
Please introduce tar and feather as well... or at least some measure of inflicting lasting injuries. We'll see how much you ambulate with those kneecaps of yours blown away...
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W3370Pi4
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:43:00 -
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a bit of fairness wont hurt this game hundreds of millions of isk will be won and lost at some poker tables so it has to be fair
maybe later some players or CCP can organize some poker tournament
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Hesod Adee
Xen Of Onslaught
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
will eve be able to tell If I am counting cards?
If the shuffling algorithm is random enough card counting won't work. I'd prefer it if CCP made at least some of the cheaper card shufflers vulnerable to card counting.
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