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sukibabe	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:37:00 - [1] hi to all Is it just me or do i struggle in my battlecrusier to hurt crusier's in lvl 2 mission's. would be great if someone could spare a thought on my ship setup and give some advice in the amarr field.
Donde Esta	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:43:00 - [2] battlecruisers should fly through 2's. whats your setup? Are you hitting consistantly, for very little, or are you missing frequently? If you are missing, then try fitting a tracking enhancer, tracking computer with tracking script, or pulse lasers instead of beams. If you are hitting for very little, then train your damage skills higher (medium laser, bc, some gunnery support skills), fit some heat sinks to increase your rate of fire, and make sure you are using the right crystals for the job. Multifrequency is best, but only works at close ranges, while radio is worst, but good for long ranges. Right click on your gun with crystal equipped, click attributes tab, then look for "optimal". Your target should be inside of this range, as shown on the overview. If they are further out, then you need to be up to the next longest crystal. You may want to buy a stack of each crystal, or every other crystal, fit them all in safe space, and write down what your optimal is for each one.
0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:44:00 - [3] use pulse lasers, or make sure you have a webifier fitted if your using beams. ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Msobe	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:46:00 - [4] Edited by: Msobe on 09/04/2008 13:46:27 Hi suki! Either its just you, or you struggle to hurt cruisers in lvl 2 missions. We can't say, because we don't know what you're flying, or rather, how its fitted. My advice in Amarr overall is to buckle yourself in and train for several months before you expect to be good at anything. Your most important things (after learning skills) to train are your cap skills, ship skills (frig, cruiser, etc) and controlled bursts - once you get you cap use on your guns managable, you can start flying your ships without feeling like you've got someone following you around neuting your cap. Yours, Msobe
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:23:00 - [5] gun skills, tank skills. Try a target painter or more damage mods. Otherwise they might just be the tougher variants of cruiser. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
Donde Esta	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Megan Maynard gun skills, tank skills. Try a target painter or more damage mods. Otherwise they might just be the tougher variants of cruiser. I'm not sure about the target painter. he mentioned problems killing cruisers, which his medium lasers should hit fine, in terms of - i hope these terms are right - signature radius and signature resolution. You do make a good point about tougher variants - the mission you are on matters too.
sukibabe	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:53:00 - [7] hi to all concerned High Slots 2x focused medium pulse laser 1 2x focused afocal medium maser 1 3x heavy modal laser 1 medium slots 2x F-B10 nominal cap re generator 1x Barton cap recharger 1x medium shield extender 1 Low Slots 1x small armor reper 1x medium 'accommodation' vestment re constructor 1x 'skadi' coolant system1 1x 800mm rolled tungsten plates 1 1x adaptive nano plating 2 CPU 311.95 / 412.50 Power grid 1676.20 / 1750.00 i went for total war on character creation both were solider and military. i have been playing around 25 days or so i have most skill at around 3 4 i have 57 skills. any help will be greatly thankful
sukibabe	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:54:00 - [8] also the mission i was when i was really struggling was called 'recon'
Donde Esta	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:59:00 - [9] Recon is meant to blitz through in a fast ship, not stop and fight. Try fitting a cruiser for speed/tank, and don't bother shooting anything. Your fit could use a little work too, but I have to run to a meeting. If no one responded when I get back, I'll comment. GL!
sukibabe	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:16:00 - [10] ok ty for that. i did that mission in the end with help from a friend in a battlecrusier to lol but we got there took us both bout 1hour 15 mins
Ecky X Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:18:00 - [11] Originally by: sukibabe hi to all concerned High Slots 2x focused medium pulse laser 1 2x focused afocal medium maser 1 3x heavy modal laser 1 medium slots 2x F-B10 nominal cap re generator 1x Barton cap recharger 1x medium shield extender 1 Low Slots 1x small armor reper 1x medium 'accommodation' vestment re constructor 1x 'skadi' coolant system1 1x 800mm rolled tungsten plates 1 1x adaptive nano plating 2 CPU 311.95 / 412.50 Power grid 1676.20 / 1750.00 i went for total war on character creation both were solider and military. i have been playing around 25 days or so i have most skill at around 3 4 i have 57 skills. any help will be greatly thankful Lets fix your fitting, that's 3/4 of your problem. High: You're mixing short and long range guns. Try and fit a whole rack of the same guns - all beams or all pulses. Right now you hit at all ranges poorly, rather than hitting well at one range and having to keep enemies within it. Med: The shield extender is a wasted slot, find something else to put there. Don't mix armor and shield tanking. Low: You only have one resistance module, so I imagine your armor melts like butter, even if you have a large amount of it. Get your resists up, and you'll have to repair less. Drop the plate, fit more resists - a plate is just a buffer, it doesn't help you sustain your tank. Small rep can probably go too, but it's not a terrible use of the slot.
Ecky X Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:21:00 - [12] As far as the other 1/4 of your problem, you're going to need to learn about tracking and optimal range. When you're missing a lot, (assuming you're still in optimal range) fly away from the enemies to minimize their transversal velocity. Your guns will hit much better. Also, learn to manage your capacitor. Its peak recharge is about 30%, and when it drops much lower than that, it practically quits charging back up. What drones are you using?
sukibabe	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:27:00 - [13] ty for ur time i use medium scout drones three at a time. wot do u recommend for the resists. and in place of shield extender, also if i go for one type of turret (heavy modal laser1) would it be wiser to change the crystals to suite the range and is too little guns be a bad thing?
Ecky X Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:31:00 - [14] Originally by: sukibabe ty for ur time i use medium scout drones three at a time. wot do u recommend for the resists. and in place of shield extender, also if i go for one type of turret (heavy modal laser1) would it be wiser to change the crystals to suite the range and is too little guns be a bad thing? Work on your drone skills, so you can use 5 at a time. In place of the shield extender, you could use an afterburner, tracking computer, cap recharger, ect. @ Crystals - yes, change them depending on the enemy range. Or, you can fly closer/farther to them, so you don't have to switch ammo. @ guns - always use the max number of guns your ship can fit, and you nearly always want to fit the proper sized guns, though there are some exceptions.
Donde Esta	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:32:00 - [15] Originally by: sukibabe hi to all concerned High Slots 2x focused medium pulse laser 1 2x focused afocal medium maser 1 3x heavy modal laser 1 medium slots 2x F-B10 nominal cap re generator 1x Barton cap recharger 1x medium shield extender 1 Low Slots 1x small armor reper 1x medium 'accommodation' vestment re constructor 1x 'skadi' coolant system1 1x 800mm rolled tungsten plates 1 1x adaptive nano plating 2 Most of my comments reiterate what was said before. 1) Change your guns to all beams or all pulses. You probably want pulses for now, until you have better fitting, tracking, and cap skills. Remember, you need to be close with pulses. Right click, show info. 2) Drop the shield extender. Fit either a 4th cap recharger, or a tracking computer with an optimal script. 3) Drop the small armor repper, the adaptive nano plating 2, the rolled tungsten plates. Add 4 (you have an empty slot?) active hardeners, 2 for each of the two resists for the bad guys you're going to fight. The mission notes in your journal always say who the enemy is, and you can look up the damage type for that particular mission at eve-survival.org, or something like that. Once you fit correctly, you should have no problem taking on recon level 2 with a harbinger. Also, if you have a spare high slot left, toss in a tractor beam for faster looting.
sukibabe	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:37:00 - [16] ty i'll try wot u have suggested to me later on, am at work at the min. And i'll get back to u at around 9pm tonight GMT time ok
Arazel Chainfire KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.04.09 22:10:00 - [17] Starter Harbinger fit Step one - choose beams or pulse Step 2 - choose the right hardeners for the mission Highs 7 lasers - choose beams or pulse, and fit the highest teir you can after fitting your tank Mids 2-4 cap rechargers 0-1 tracking computers 0-1 afterburner Lows 1-2 MAR (t2 perferred) 3-4 active hardeners (mission specific) 0-2 heat sinks 0-1 cap power relay To start, try fitting 4 hardeners and 2 MAR's, 4 cap rechargers, and 7 guns. This should allow you to survive all your missions relatively easily, especially when you become able to permarun everything. As you get more used to the missions, start adding heat sinks and trying to fit bigger guns. Another note - when you're starting, more than half your DPS ends up coming from your drones. As you get better gun skills, your guns will start outdamaging your drones. However, it is a very wise idea to train at least drones 5, scout drone operation to 3, and drone interfacing to lvl 3 to start with, because that will allow you to kill anything smaller than a battleship with just your drones. -Arazel Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Mutual Incomprehension is one of the Four Horsemen of most internet arguments, I guess, along with Unfettered Hostility, Overwhelming Vagueness, and Lack of Evidence.
Queen Margaret	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:23:00 - [18] read the tracking guide asap
Yadee	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:54:00 - [19] Get EFT (Eve fitting tool) While nothing beats real experience, theorizing and making your own fits and trying to optimize them in EFT can be a good experience and way to learn. You also get your ships/fits resulting numbers out accurately, as opposed to having to guesstimate what your optimal is, how good your resists are, etc.
sukibabe	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:01:00 - [20] hi sorry for late reply i tried with some of the ideas being bounced around here lol. and am pretty impressed with out come. could some leave a paste for that tool mentioned thanks alot for all ur support

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