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Zeph Solaris Heretic Army DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:04:00 - [1] I've had the skills to fly a Scimitar for quite some time, but haven't ever bothered to buy one. Thinking it would be something new, I've looked into actually buying one and have noticed a great lack of them on the market. In Jita's region, there are only two of them. Asking around, it's about the same for the surrounding regions. Basilisks are about 36 mil while Scimitars are about 20-25 mil more. Is there something terrible about this ship I'm missing?
Alyth Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Alyth on 09/04/2008 20:22:13 Originally by: Zeph Solaris I've had the skills to fly a Scimitar for quite some time, but haven't ever bothered to buy one. Thinking it would be something new, I've looked into actually buying one and have noticed a great lack of them on the market. In Jita's region, there are only two of them. Asking around, it's about the same for the surrounding regions. Basilisks are about 36 mil while Scimitars are about 20-25 mil more. Is there something terrible about this ship I'm missing? Don't tell everyone but you can get sustained 4km/s while running 4 med shield xfers 23/7 out of a Scimitar. I love Violet! It is the prettiest color in the whole wide world!!! I like toast. Naviagtor Gah! Curse you all!
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:29:00 - [3] The Scimitar is a bit low on Grid compared to the Basi; you can't really use 4 large transfers because of it. But it is fast, perma-runs with MWD and 3 larges. Fun ship. Can also be outfitted as a fast tackler/Inty hunter with 2 guns and missile launcher. Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:49:00 - [4] Perhaps the lack of them is due to a shortage of active ol' t2 bpo's. That and appart from speed, all other t2 logistics cruisers do the logistics job better. Probably due to its limmited powergrid.
El Yatta Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.04.09 21:39:00 - [5] The scimitar is the only usable PVP logistics in this day and age, purely because speed + range + shield = fantastic nano gang. The others are less so, - the basilisk cannot maintain speed and slow shield tanking (especially active) is fairly rare and useless except for bait, and similarly armor tanking, especially active, is pretty much only done on heavy ships such a BC/BS which are more efficient to repair each other than have a pilot in a guardian not doing any damage. Except for a few very niche roles, its only in a case of passive HP-shield tanking cruisers that can evade seriously heavy fire that a logistics is useful. Hence, the scimitar is amazing. So, why is expensive, rare, and hardly sold? Because nobody bloody knows about the above. _______________________________________________ Mercenary Forces
EvilSpork Invicta.	Posted - 2008.04.09 22:40:00 - [6] Edited by: EvilSpork on 09/04/2008 22:42:22 Originally by: El Yatta The scimitar is the only usable PVP logistics in this day and age, purely because speed + range + shield = fantastic nano gang. The others are less so, - the basilisk cannot maintain speed and slow shield tanking (especially active) is fairly rare and useless except for bait, and similarly armor tanking, especially active, is pretty much only done on heavy ships such a BC/BS which are more efficient to repair each other than have a pilot in a guardian not doing any damage. Except for a few very niche roles, its only in a case of passive HP-shield tanking cruisers that can evade seriously heavy fire that a logistics is useful. Hence, the scimitar is amazing. So, why is expensive, rare, and hardly sold? Because nobody bloody knows about the above. um, yeah this. also if memory serves, there were a lot more for sale not TOO long ago. could be that the lucky person with the T2 BPO isnt around much anymore or isnt producing them fast enough. edit: oh yeah, i forgot my actual on topic part: you can also use the scimitar as a pretty decent mission support ship. i used to run a scimitar with 4 medium transfers and a medium armor rep that would premarun and rep a raven. if just using a large cap battery and a couple cap rechargers can do that, i'd imagine it would make a hell of a nano ship... which im going to do tonight.. thanks for the inspiration El Yatta
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.09 22:56:00 - [7] strange amount of people iun this thread think that the weaker a ship is the more expensive it gets... I for one would like this logic explained. Saying something like "oh well Ship is A is much better than ship B because you can find it everywhere and it's less expensive" is ecomnic ignorance at it's berst. the better the ship is the more it will cost and the harder it will be to find. I mean think about it, it's a logtisicis ship those things don't last long in combat, everyone wants to kill them frist. Anyways as a scimitar pilot we make them in house.
Zeph Solaris Heretic Army DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Zeph Solaris on 10/04/2008 00:09:33 The theory here is that popular/good things get produced a lot because people know they will be sold. Why invest your ISK in something that quite possible wont ever sell? edit: Once it's produced a lot, by multiple people, orders will have to have competitive prices in order to be sold. It's simple supply and demand.
Wardeneo Gallente BLL Wise Guys Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.10 12:39:00 - [9] 1 more not - abit of subject - most ppl will agree that basilisk and guardian need 2 be in pairs 2 really shine where as the oneros and scimitar can be on there own alos as ppl have stated scimitar is fastest and can perma run mwd adn a few sheild reps but the lack of use is due 2 most ppl dont realise this ^^ wardeneo If brute force doesn't work..... your not using enough :)
Zorai Miraden Gallente East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.10 12:45:00 - [10] Originally by: MotherMoon strange amount of people iun this thread think that the weaker a ship is the more expensive it gets... I for one would like this logic explained. Saying something like "oh well Ship is A is much better than ship B because you can find it everywhere and it's less expensive" is ecomnic ignorance at it's berst. the better the ship is the more it will cost and the harder it will be to find. I mean think about it, it's a logtisicis ship those things don't last long in combat, everyone wants to kill them frist. Anyways as a scimitar pilot we make them in house. You also have to consider that worse ships will have less people making them because they are harder to sell. So some traders will then ask higher prices for the ship since there are less people trying to undercut them. But then again since this is a game there will be players that will make them thinking they can sell them at the higher prices and then end up stuck with them on the market for a long time. So in a way The price does balance out. Recruitment Thread EKT Website

Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.04.10 13:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Wardeneo 1 more not - abit of subject - most ppl will agree that basilisk and guardian need 2 be in pairs 2 really shine where as the oneros and scimitar can be on there own alos as ppl have stated scimitar is fastest and can perma run mwd adn a few sheild reps but the lack of use is due 2 most ppl dont realise this ^^ wardeneo You can use oneiros on it's own? Never noticed that. From my experience the Oneiros is like any other Logistic, except it doesn't work as well as the basilisk/guardian in larger numbers. The oneiros tends to go poof on its own... ...which is why IMHO the oneiros is the worst Logistics. Basilisk and Guardian both really shine when they're in pairs and in fairly small gangs (20-ish or less), or when there is a fairly large clash of close range battleships. They're vulnerable to nano-ships thou although you can compensate a bit for if you form up your fleet correctly. Of those the Guardian is the champ since most "heavy tank" PvP ships armortank (basicly anything except the maelstrom, rokh, raven, drake and the minmatar and caldari commandships). The basilisk however sees a lot of use for exploration and level 5 missions, in order to boost the aggroship (which is generally a very powerful shieldtanker). The scimitar is the oddball, since it can be effectively nanoed. Which means that it can take care of itself a lot easier and support nanogangs a lot more effectively. Which is a good thing, because the only nanoships that have a decent buffer are using LSEIIs. In addition it can use remote tracking links, which means that it pretty much works as an extra damage module on nanoed gunships (Vagabonds in general). ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Asasham Caldari Instant Annihilation New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.04.10 15:25:00 - [12] It's a pretty obvious market manipulation on someone's part. Look at the price graph from the past 3 months. Massive single-day purchases and relisting going on. It's really only a question of how much people will pay to be a "healer" in EVE. Personally I'll fly a logistic as long as it's disposable, but once it gets up to near HAC levels I'd rather get on the killmail. And yes, the perma-run mwd/transfer setup is nice--glad I stocked up when they were below 30 mil.


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