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AmmoniaisNH3	Posted - 2008.04.10 04:40:00 - [1] The problem between the Brutix and the Myrmidon is that both of them fill the same roles, but the Myrmidon does it better, so nobody uses the Brutix. So, the Myrmidon should be changed. New Myrmidon: 4x High slots, No turret/missile hardpoints 5x Mid slots 6x Low slots Battlecruiser Skill Bonus 10% bonus to drone optimal range per level. 10% bonus to drone damage per level makes it a sentry drone sniper, dps isn't stellar with Wardens, so it's balanced. too lazy to do maths right now, so the bonuses are to be changed
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.10 04:42:00 - [2] Originally by: AmmoniaisNH3 The problem between the Brutix and the Myrmidon is that both of them fill the same roles, but the Myrmidon does it better, so nobody uses the Brutix. So, the Myrmidon should be changed. New Myrmidon: 4x High slots, No turret/missile hardpoints 5x Mid slots 6x Low slots Battlecruiser Skill Bonus 10% bonus to drone optimal range per level. 10% bonus to drone damage per level makes it a sentry drone sniper, dps isn't stellar with Wardens, so it's balanced. too lazy to do maths right now, so the bonuses are to be changed wtflol no one uses brutix lol123 ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.10 04:59:00 - [3] Please give me all your brutixes then. *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^
Helios Hyperion Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.04.10 05:06:00 - [4] then who the hell is buying all these brutes i'm building? where did that money come from? lol// oh i agree that something needs to happen with the myrm, it should be totally drone based imo.. but then.. even the ishtar has a hybrid damage bonus.
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.10 05:25:00 - [5] Drone space got nerf. It got nerf for a reason, most of the reasons was because of the Eos and Myrmidon. No other race had that advantage of there lower tier BC/CS being better then the there damage boats. Was a fine fix and you still haver great ships not just solo pawns anymore.
evs Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.10 05:30:00 - [6] brutix kicks ass, the myrm just tanks a little better
Arazel Chainfire KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.04.10 06:30:00 - [7] Edited by: Arazel Chainfire on 10/04/2008 06:31:32 Meh... the two ships are remarkably similar in damage - brutix is better w/ good gunnery skills, myrm better w/ good drone skills. That being said, it would be nice if it was more dronebased. Its pretty bad when a vexor can get as much drone damage as the myrm can... Imo, your change is a little extreme though. Instead, keep the bonuses as they are and drop high slots. Max dps from 5 ogre 2's is only 450 damage... every single other BC can do that easily. What made the old myrm overpowered was the ability to have 5 heavy drones and 6 turrets. Removal of the turrets (not all, just a few), and maybe a highslot , while adding the 125mbit bandwidth would make the ship significantly different from the brutix, and actually make the two ships interesting. Just balance it so that its current dps is the same as the new dps - around 800 or so max. Comeon - for gd's sake its a friggin creodron ship... -Arazel Edit - If you do want that change though, make it 10% optimal range and 10% tracking per level, like omnidirection units. Guards at 50km would be nice Originally by:* Tsanse Kinske Mutual Incomprehension is one of the Four Horsemen of most internet arguments, I guess, along with Unfettered Hostility, Overwhelming Vagueness, and Lack of Evidence.
Streikeer	Posted - 2008.04.10 06:57:00 - [8] Edited by: Streikeer on 10/04/2008 06:58:06 Since the Myrm doesn't get any weapon bonuses like the Brutix, would autocannons be a good bet for guns for a PvP setup? 6 AC's (scouts) with fed. emp with a damage mod or 2 in lows would work out nice it seems. With zero cap use you could use maybe active T2 hardeners instead of T2 eanm's in lows. With the drone damage (5 T2 hammers) this seems like a good setup. Or maybe use 5 EW drones (EC-600's). So what's the consensus on an AC Myrm. boat??
Falcon Troy Caldari Awesome People Secret Corp	Posted - 2008.04.10 07:16:00 - [9] Edited by: Falcon Troy on 10/04/2008 07:17:07 I think the general consensus for the Myrm is to use Arty (PVE) or ACs (PVP) for best effect. _____________ Hai.
Tai Paktu Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.04.10 07:26:00 - [10] Originally by: arbalesttom Please give me all your brutixes then. This. The two are entirely differet ships tbh. Myrm is a great dual rep boat that can do respectable or outright decent damage or cap warfare. The Brutix melts face. See what I did there? ______ http://eve-files.com/sig/TaiPaktu/sig3.PNG

Katrina Coreli No Fear Buccaneers	Posted - 2008.04.10 10:34:00 - [11] Just echoing the thoughts of others but personally i love my brutix and would never consider the Myrmidon a worthy alternative. When Duel Rep fit the Myrmi may edge out the Brutix slightly (though id still take the Brute) try and get a gank Brutes dps out of a myrmi.
Streikeer	Posted - 2008.04.10 11:37:00 - [12] Wouldn't a gank Brutix suffer from significant cap usage. I understand the cap usage would be offset by a cap injector, but if you ran up against a neut/nos type of ship would you be able to get the "gank" out before your cap drained? On the topic of the AC Myrm., you coud also significantly increase your tank by useing active T2 hardeners, since cap should be plentifull with the no cap use AC's.
Zorai Miraden Gallente East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.10 11:53:00 - [13] Edited by: Zorai Miraden on 10/04/2008 11:53:48 Originally by: Streikeer Edited by: Streikeer on 10/04/2008 06:58:06 Since the Myrm doesn't get any weapon bonuses like the Brutix, would autocannons be a good bet for guns for a PvP setup? 6 AC's (scouts) with fed. emp with a damage mod or 2 in lows would work out nice it seems. With zero cap use you could use maybe active T2 hardeners instead of T2 eanm's in lows. With the drone damage (5 T2 hammers) this seems like a good setup. Or maybe use 5 EW drones (EC-600's). So what's the consensus on an AC Myrm. boat?? I've reasearched this but never tried this kind of a setup on a Myrmidon though may soon now that I'm starting to train some of these skills. Anyways a Myrmidon according to some information I've read actually tanks better with a passive shield tank, and works well with Projectile Artillery. This is odd for a Gallente ship. If you doubt me do the reasearch for yourself. I don't have the link right now, but another player wrote a very convincing long article regarding shield tanking a Myrmidon. Most players who would fly a Myrmidon though are skilled with Armor Tanks, and Hybrids, but that's the only reason a Myrmidon should be more effective using such modules. Recruitment Thread EKT Website
Garmon Minmatar Genos Occidere Boner Bandits	Posted - 2008.04.10 12:00:00 - [14] Ferox is better than the Brutix in most situations, even pre boost __________________________________ Garmonation - Rupture fun video
Kusha'an Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.04.10 12:51:00 - [15] Originally by: evs brutix kicks ass, the myrm just tanks a little better Just a little? Hmm... My corpmate and I are ratting in 0.0, he in a Brutix and I in a Myrm. Him: Oh crap, I gotta warp out... Me: That's ok, I'll handle it from here. Him: Ok, I'm back, did I miss anything? Me: Yeah, they're all dead, let's go to the next belt. (10 minutes later) Him: Oh crap, I'm gonna... Me: Hey, is that you in a pod? Him: Yeah, I'll be back in a half hour while I get another Brutix. You finish off these Sansha Savage Lords. Me: You sure you want that ship? Him: I like the Brutix! Me: Mkay... (3 days later) Him: Boy, this Myrm sure is a good ship! Me: Yeah, you haven't warped out yet! So, you still buying Brutixes? Him: Yeah, but I'm reselling for profitzzz! Lotsa suckers out there! Me: LOLz Originally by: welsh wizard stupid falcon pilots uncloak all the time coz they think they need to surface for air.
Taguchi Hiroko Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.04.10 13:37:00 - [16] Depending on where your sp are invested, gun pilots tend to prefer Brutix. It does a good deal more dps than myrm post bandwidth nerf, but it does not tank too well. Myrm should get at least 80m2 bandwidth instead of 75, so it can launch 2 heavies and 3 med.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.04.10 13:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Garmon Ferox is better than the Brutix in most situations, even pre boost SHHHHHHHHHH Shut the hell up - everyone thinks the ferox sucks in pvp. I'd like to keep that perception going! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Lux Exterior Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.04.10 14:00:00 - [18] Myrm should get 100 mbit bandwidth and lose a turret hardpoint for a utility highslot (remote rep). Sorted. That which does not kill us makes us stronger. Friedrich Nietzsche
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2008.04.10 14:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko Depending on where your sp are invested, gun pilots tend to prefer Brutix. It does a good deal more dps than myrm post bandwidth nerf, but it does not tank too well. Myrm should get at least 80m2 bandwidth instead of 75, so it can launch 2 heavies and 3 med. The brutix fit for gank pushes out pretty incredible DPS. I have stopped flying mine for the most part though because the damn things go down VERY fast when called primary even in small engagements. The myrm is a good PvE for ship for lvl 3 missions and has a decent enough tank for PvP but damage wise it is lacking. Personally, the only reason I think anyone should fly a myrm in PvP is if they don't have the skills to fly a domi. The domi is only 20 mil more expensive, can be fit with a great tank (or good gank) and carries a crap ton of drones and has incredible versatility.
Forge Lag	Posted - 2008.04.10 14:46:00 - [20] That is the biggest issue with Myrmidon - Dominix does everything better for marginally higher cost. Also without the repper bonus, none would armor tank Myrmidon in PvE, passive or even active shields are superior in that setting and Myrmidon does have the slots. Personally i would prefer more drone oriented boat - give it drone speed bonus on top of drone damage bonus and you have a boat that is pleasant to use heavies in misisons with and also a support craft adept at killing tacklers / nanos. And it puts the mids into a good use.

Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2008.04.10 15:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Forge Lag That is the biggest issue with Myrmidon - Dominix does everything better for marginally higher cost. Also without the repper bonus, none would armor tank Myrmidon in PvE, passive or even active shields are superior in that setting and Myrmidon does have the slots. Personally i would prefer more drone oriented boat - give it drone speed bonus on top of drone damage bonus and you have a boat that is pleasant to use heavies in misisons with and also a support craft adept at killing tacklers / nanos. And it puts the mids into a good use. I say give the myrm back the ability to use 5 heavies (Even with totally maxed skills that still puts the DPS close to what most BC's have, maybe even less)but remove ALL the turret hard points and drop it down to 4 highslots. Make it utility ship. Could fit remote armor reps, remote shield reps, neuts, drone mods, etc.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:29:00 - [22] Thread Failure Imminent.
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Kusha'an Him: Yeah, I'll be back in a half hour while I get another Brutix. You finish off these Sansha Savage Lords. The Myrmidon is generally accepted to be a far more flexible PvE ship than the Brutix because of it's solid tank, better cap stability, and it's ability to choose damage types. Ratting Sansha's in a Brutix is just asking to die. The same Brutix will lay the hurt on Guristas or Serpentis though. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Cor Aidan KNIGHT'S OF THE ROUND ROOM	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:19:00 - [24] Originally by: AmmoniaisNH3 The problem between the Brutix and the Myrmidon is that both of them fill the same roles, but the Myrmidon does it better, so nobody uses the Brutix. So, the Myrmidon should be changed. New Myrmidon: 4x High slots, No turret/missile hardpoints 5x Mid slots 6x Low slots Battlecruiser Skill Bonus 10% bonus to drone optimal range per level. 10% bonus to drone damage per level makes it a sentry drone sniper, dps isn't stellar with Wardens, so it's balanced. too lazy to do maths right now, so the bonuses are to be changed Hrm. So you want to trade 50% drone drone optimal range against whatever DPS you get from up to 6 turret hardpoints, two entire highslots, and 37.5% armor repair amount.
Captator Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:36:00 - [25] maxed skills no implants (other than cpu/grid modifiers), brutix 870 dps (neutrons 3 magstabs, rcu t2, 5 hammer t2) myrmidon 803 dps (neutrons 3 magstabs, 2 ogre t2 2 hammer t2 1 hobgob t2 difference is that you can get 20k more EHP on the myrm, while keeping point web mwd. this is why myrm is basically better than brutix, though I fly brutix more xD cheaper to lose
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:43:00 - [26] Quote: That is the biggest issue with Myrmidon - Dominix does everything better for marginally higher cost. Ah, but if you are caldari and want to cross train to drones, Myrmidon is so much easier You shield tank with it - you already have great shield tank skills. It's a battlecruiser, and you probably already have battlecruiser really high because of the drake. So you train gallente cruiser to III and you're basically set :D
AnKahn Caldari Occassus Republica DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.04.11 16:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Ulstan Quote: That is the biggest issue with Myrmidon - Dominix does everything better for marginally higher cost. Ah, but if you are caldari and want to cross train to drones, Myrmidon is so much easier You shield tank with it - you already have great shield tank skills. It's a battlecruiser, and you probably already have battlecruiser really high because of the drake. So you train gallente cruiser to III and you're basically set :D This. Plus you seem to be able to get what Drake pilots are always asking for. Slightly less tank and slightly more gank when set up for passive shield tank.


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