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Scrutt5
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2008.04.11 08:10:00 -
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Hey,
Obiously the mods named in the title massivly increase your max speed when you activate your mwd, why dont they effect your base speed of the ship without the mwd active ?
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Dianeces
Minmatar
The Illuminati.
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Posted - 2008.04.11 08:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Scrutt5
Hey,
Obiously the mods named in the title massivly increase your max speed when you activate your mwd, why dont they effect your base speed of the ship without the mwd active ?
Because they decrease your mass and don't increase your speed?
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.04.11 08:26:00 -
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They increase MWD speed because MWD speed is calculated through comparing thrust to ship mass, then multiplying by the speed bonus, then multiplying by the base speed. Decrease the ship's mass, and you get a bigger end result.
The ship's base speed just is. There is no relation to ship mass.
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City Chick
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Posted - 2008.04.11 08:27:00 -
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Edited by: City Chick on 11/04/2008 08:27:14
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Scrutt5
Hey,
Obiously the mods named in the title massivly increase your max speed when you activate your mwd, why dont they effect your base speed of the ship without the mwd active ?
Because they decrease your mass and don't increase your speed?
Well an MWD increaseses your speed by 550% when activated (t2), why do these mods increade your MWD speed by more than 550% but not your base speed ?
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.04.11 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: City Chick
Well an MWD increaseses your speed by 550% when activated (t2), why do these mods increade your MWD speed by more than 550% but not your base speed ?
Do I need to quote myself now? 
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.11 09:10:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 11/04/2008 09:10:42
The way i understand it is this. A 10mn default mwd will give you a 550% speed boost based on a 10.000.000kg ship mass. Reducing this mass by 10% will make the speed boost 10% higher.
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Volarius
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.11 10:19:00 -
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I think what he's wondering is why the ship doesn't also go faster under normal propulsion. You'd say that if a ship is lighter, normal propulsion would be able to push it to a faster speed as well.
Or is my sense of internetspaceshipphysics bogus? 
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.04.11 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Volarius
I think what he's wondering is why the ship doesn't also go faster under normal propulsion. You'd say that if a ship is lighter, normal propulsion would be able to push it to a faster speed as well.
Or is my sense of internetspaceshipphysics bogus?
Obviously - but game mechanics don't work that way.  If he's lobbying for a change, then the Features and Ideas Discussion board would be a better place for this thread.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.04.11 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Volarius
I think what he's wondering is why the ship doesn't also go faster under normal propulsion. You'd say that if a ship is lighter, normal propulsion would be able to push it to a faster speed as well.
Or is my sense of internetspaceshipphysics bogus?
I'd say you're right. Reducing mass but maintaining the same thrust would increase your speed in general.
The reason it's the way it is I imagine is to help better maintain game balance. If a single module type increased non AB/MWD speed, and increased agility AND increased MWD/AB speed it might just be considered overpowered. I suppose it all depends on the math though.
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Ecky X
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.04.11 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
Originally by: Volarius
I think what he's wondering is why the ship doesn't also go faster under normal propulsion. You'd say that if a ship is lighter, normal propulsion would be able to push it to a faster speed as well.
Or is my sense of internetspaceshipphysics bogus?
I'd say you're right. Reducing mass but maintaining the same thrust would increase your speed in general.
The reason it's the way it is I imagine is to help better maintain game balance. If a single module type increased non AB/MWD speed, and increased agility AND increased MWD/AB speed it might just be considered overpowered. I suppose it all depends on the math though.
Such as Ye Nanofibre of Olde?
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Scrutt5
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2008.04.11 19:12:00 -
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Hey,
Nah not lobbying for a change, just wondered thats all :)
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Solu Kolbardin
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Posted - 2008.04.12 10:07:00 -
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What might be happening is that with all the nano-mods, you are switching one material for another to "lighten" the ship as it were.
The materials may not be as strong or maybe they didn't use as much, you do lose structure HP after all. (Forgot about that part didn't you?)
But mayhaps now it might be unsafe to push the structure of the ship so hard for prolonged periods, which could lead to structural instability and you ship coming apart during general use, it might also lead to increased need for refits and rebuilds and generally more spent on upkeep and maintainance, after all your ship wears down after a time.
Thus the engines are toned down a touch (as in put out less force, maybe via an inhibitor?), but you still maintain better maneuverability and acceleration, without having to worry about the increased cost of all those extra refits. (I'm going to assume that the basic insurance packages and ship repairs take care of the refits and rebuilds as needed)
Heck maybe the new parts are for the engine and now it can't put out as much force, but is a heck of a lot lighter.
But MWDs and Afterburners push you ship forward at a set rate of trust, thus your mass will dictate how fast you are going to go in this case, but you end up losing a fair bit of that maneuverability you just gained as you're going to fast to turn quickly. |
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