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Dyaven Gallente Soldiers of the Empire	Posted - 2008.04.11 19:19:00 - [1] I was thinking about cross training to Amarr to fly this awesome looking ship... but it sucks arse. Harbringer out does it in every possible way, and isn't nearly as cool looking. This makes me a sad, sad panda. ---- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Addams
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2008.04.11 19:25:00 - [2] beause all the tier 1 bc are inferior in every way to their tier 2 brothers. (Aside maybe from the brutix) but doesnt the prophecy have a tanking bonus over the harb? (havent flown either in a while) So if it does one can assume that proph is tank while harb is gank? i know thats essentially what the cyclone/cane are but clone just sucks because the tank is no sacrifice for the cane's power.
Dyaven Gallente Soldiers of the Empire	Posted - 2008.04.11 19:26:00 - [3] Edited by: Dyaven on 11/04/2008 19:28:44 Edited by: Dyaven on 11/04/2008 19:28:13 Originally by: Yurii Chan i know thats essentially what the cyclone/cane are but clone just sucks because the tank is no sacrifice for the cane's power. Same goes for the Prophecy/Harbringer, from what I can see. Though I obviously haven't actually flown either ship, I'm just looking at stats and playing in EFT. After reading your comment and now that I think about this, your right about the inferiority of the Tier 1 BCs. There's only 2 BC's for each race, and only 5 of the 8 are ever used seriously. The Tier 1 BCs need a boost, IMO. Ferox, Prophecy, and Cyclone are all failboats atm. ---- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Addams
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.11 19:33:00 - [4] Originally by: Dyaven I was thinking about cross training to Amarr to fly this awesome looking ship... but it sucks arse. Harbringer out does it in every possible way, and isn't nearly as cool looking. This makes me a sad, sad panda. Prophecy is a relic from the the old amarrian ship building filosophy, wich is to build sucky ships that are broken. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.11 19:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Yurii Chan beause all the tier 1 bc are inferior in every way to their tier 2 brothers. (Aside maybe from the brutix) but doesnt the prophecy have a tanking bonus over the harb? (havent flown either in a while) So if it does one can assume that proph is tank while harb is gank? i know thats essentially what the cyclone/cane are but clone just sucks because the tank is no sacrifice for the cane's power. At least the Cyclone gets a damage bonus along with its tanking bonus. The Prophesy gets ...... Cap reduction for weapons that don't use that much cap Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.04.11 19:48:00 - [6] This is the classic Amarr problem. Their T1 specialty ships consist of laser ships and more laser ships. Since they have essentially the same role, the Harbringer has made the Prophecy largely obsolete. With the other three races, there is at least more variation of purpose with their ships; for example, the Drake outperforms the Ferox in terms of general stats and slot layout, but the Ferox at least still has utility as a rail sniper so it's not completely obsolete. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Alyth Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.11 19:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Originally by: Yurii Chan beause all the tier 1 bc are inferior in every way to their tier 2 brothers. (Aside maybe from the brutix) but doesnt the prophecy have a tanking bonus over the harb? (havent flown either in a while) So if it does one can assume that proph is tank while harb is gank? i know thats essentially what the cyclone/cane are but clone just sucks because the tank is no sacrifice for the cane's power. At least the Cyclone gets a damage bonus along with its tanking bonus. The Prophesy gets ...... Cap reduction for weapons that don't use that much cap Their weapons don't use any cap at all when you fit them right I love Violet! It is the prettiest color in the whole wide world!!! I like toast. Naviagtor Gah! Curse you all!
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.04.11 20:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Dyaven I was thinking about cross training to Amarr to fly this awesome looking ship... but it sucks arse. 110k effective HP with just t2 and rigs... hardly sucking
Umar Khattab	Posted - 2008.04.11 20:05:00 - [9] It doesn't suck if you train your BC skill to lvl 5, but yeah, apart from that that bastard is fat and non manoeuvrable
Umar Khattab	Posted - 2008.04.11 20:07:00 - [10] The Arby is sexier man! And cheaper, and amazing!
Lux Exterior Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.04.11 20:10:00 - [11] It doesn't suck, it's cheap and very tough. The Ferox also no longer sucks for the same reason. However the Cyclone does still suck. That which does not kill us makes us stronger. Friedrich Nietzsche
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.11 20:11:00 - [12] All of the Tier 1 BC's suck... arguably even the Brutix. Well, the 'tix is an ok ship I guess. It's better than the other Tier 1's, and it's about as good as the Myrm now that they've nerfed the crap out of the Myrm. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Gneeznow Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.11 20:59:00 - [13] All the tier 1 bc dont suck You can fit the cyclone as a falloff nano ship, fly it like a big stabber, and if you get webbed you have a not-too-bad shield tank to fall back on, you can also fit it with arty as a cheap fleet ship. The proph will kick ass up close with heavy pulse, its got plenty of grid, you can even put focused beams and aurora crystals and a 1600 plate for a durable fleet sniper which works well against support like recons, hell you can even stick a rack of 425 II autocannons and a 1600 plate on there and murder hacs / recons within falloff range. Ferox is a good cheap sniper, good range, bad damage but effective at Taking out inty's and chasing off recons in fleet fights, and is a competent blaster ship. Brutix is mean up close, a very nasty blaster boat in skilled hands, and you can stick a bunch of 200mm rails on it and 2 tracking computers and it is effective anti-support. yes the tier 2 battlecruisers outperform the tier 1 most of the time, but tier 1 Bc's are still effective and loads of bang for your buck if put in capable hands.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.11 21:20:00 - [14] Get an Absolution
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.11 21:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Dyaven I was thinking about cross training to Amarr to fly this awesome looking ship... but it sucks arse. 110k effective HP with just t2 and rigs... hardly sucking Except then you realize that you could have a geddon for like 5m more after insurance and tank way better, as well as do more dps.
Rathion	Posted - 2008.04.11 21:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Dyaven I was thinking about cross training to Amarr to fly this awesome looking ship... but it sucks arse. 110k effective HP with just t2 and rigs... hardly sucking Except then you realize that you could have a geddon for like 5m more after insurance and tank way better, as well as do more dps. Now forgive me for being rather new, but a Prophecy cost 25 million over in Amarr space, and a Geddon costs roughly 50 million.... Seems your price quote is a bit off or prices are way different on your side of the Galaxy.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.04.11 21:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Rathion Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Dyaven I was thinking about cross training to Amarr to fly this awesome looking ship... but it sucks arse. 110k effective HP with just t2 and rigs... hardly sucking Except then you realize that you could have a geddon for like 5m more after insurance and tank way better, as well as do more dps. Now forgive me for being rather new, but a Prophecy cost 25 million over in Amarr space, and a Geddon costs roughly 50 million.... Seems your price quote is a bit off or prices are way different on your side of the Galaxy. key word: "insurance" CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Rathion	Posted - 2008.04.11 21:57:00 - [18] Forgive me as I am at work and can't exactly check the insurance prices are you saying that the difference between a Insured Proph and a Insured Geddon is only 5m or are you saying your buying insurance for 1 and then not the other? If thats the case then its not a fair comparison IMHO.
Dyaven Gallente Soldiers of the Empire	Posted - 2008.04.11 22:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Rathion Forgive me as I am at work and can't exactly check the insurance prices are you saying that the difference between a Insured Proph and a Insured Geddon is only 5m or are you saying your buying insurance for 1 and then not the other? If thats the case then its not a fair comparison IMHO. I think he's including the price of the modules and rigs that you'd need to use on the Prophecy to get it to 110k EHP... ---- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Addams
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.11 22:14:00 - [20] Even if its 50m difference it doesnt matter. Geddon can eat 2-3 prophecys at once... Proph is just poo, leave it there to rust and buy harbinger.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.04.11 22:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Gamesguy 110k effective HP with just t2 and rigs... hardly sucking Except then you realize that you could have a geddon for like 5m more after insurance and tank way better, as well as do more dps. Well I prefer 110k effective HP with 85+ resist But I really use it (on another char and for only one thing), jumping in moderate sized camp, tackle something shiny, and still be alive for when the cavalry come and be very remote repairable because of resists. A niche role, but one really well filled. Also everyone fear a Gueddon while everyone shoot a Prophecy -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP!
Julius Romanus Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.12 02:07:00 - [22] The proph makes a cheap t1 gang ship. It's not that bad. Heavy pulses and some tank fit well enough(which dont on the maller). It's a point or web or both on a target, backed up by a good chunk of hit points. And just enough dps to contribute. It's not a very good ship. But it's not worthless, it does roughly the same dps as a sacrileage or other non gank hac, with plenty of hit points and a very low priority on the primary list. ------------------ For Medicinal Use Only.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.12 04:34:00 - [23] Time to turn it into a mini abaddon? Maybe more suited to the harb though. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Sajuukkar Amarr Idle Miners	Posted - 2008.04.13 03:45:00 - [24] It can be somewhat interesting in a novelty fit... cram the highs with 220 Vulcan II and med neuts, and the mids with tackle or cap recharge, and the lows with a gyrostab or two and a really mean tank. But that reminds me of some of the old fitting suggestions for the Apoc: try to fit a **ie ship in some way that still results in it being *ie but it doesnt seem* ****ie because you have a really odd fit on it...
Hank Soral	Posted - 2008.04.13 04:52:00 - [25] Originally by: Liang Nuren All of the Tier 1 BC's suck... arguably even the Brutix. Well, the 'tix is an ok ship I guess. It's better than the other Tier 1's, and it's about as good as the Myrm now that they've nerfed the crap out of the Myrm. -Liang The Brutix doesn't suck and it's not "ok", please get a clue. It's a cheapy t1 BC that can put out in excess of 600+ DPS. All while maintaining and acceptable buffer/tank. Hardly the trademark of "suck".
El Yatta Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.04.13 10:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Hank Soral Originally by: Liang Nuren All of the Tier 1 BC's suck... arguably even the Brutix. Well, the 'tix is an ok ship I guess. It's better than the other Tier 1's, and it's about as good as the Myrm now that they've nerfed the crap out of the Myrm. -Liang The Brutix doesn't suck and it's not "ok", please get a clue. It's a cheapy t1 BC that can put out in excess of 600+ DPS. All while maintaining and acceptable buffer/tank. Hardly the trademark of "suck". Exactly. The only thing that in fact is sucky abotu it is the rep bonus. It was given cos all Tier 1 bcs got a "racial Tank" (they were invented for these ships, before this we had no resists for cal/amarr, boost amount for gal/min) bonus. Now, as the Tier 2s all panned out as gank boats, but the drake got tank again (why?) and the myrmidon got gnk AND tank (then gank got nerfed) it would make a lot of sense to give the brutix a tracking bonus. This solves two problems - 1) you cant fit a good damage brutix while repping well, because it only has 5 lows and mediocre grid. 2) A fully repping tank brutix doesnt tank OR do damage as well as a myrmidon. So, tracking bonus, like mega, redefines the brutix to fully take advantage of its ganky power. Like a harbinger. (Technically we could make the ferox even more useful by giving teh drake missile velocity instead of resists, but that might anger every carebear ever, so instead how about a second hybrid bonus on ferox?) _______________________________________________ Mercenary Forces
Absinthe minded	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:44:00 - [27] Ok... i dont know if its just me... but the hole T1 over T2 (proph vrs harby) is EXACTLY what it is ment to be. T2 IS better then T1... POINT. (as long as your skills are up :p) so i think the question is ment to be aimed at T1 BC's?? My self have got a proph... and although im not 'majorly' skilled yet, only 2 1/2 months playing. im running lv3 missions very nicely. the tank is gr8 if you fit it well. 75% + resistence on ALL( although i change to have over 80% for mission spucific) with just over 7000 hp armor and a med rep. 5 heavy lasers can deal some nice dps, plus drones... with 1Ab and 2XCap rechanger t2 (the only t2's mods i have) all cap stable too! it may be the fat chicken... but for a T1 tanker (which it is ment to be) i think its a good ship. (although im now saving up for a harby!!! :D)
LWMaverick	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Absinthe minded Ok... i dont know if its just me... but the hole T1 over T2 (proph vrs harby) is EXACTLY what it is ment to be. T2 IS better then T1... POINT. (as long as your skills are up :p) so i think the question is ment to be aimed at T1 BC's?? My self have got a proph... and although im not 'majorly' skilled yet, only 2 1/2 months playing. im running lv3 missions very nicely. the tank is gr8 if you fit it well. 75% + resistence on ALL( although i change to have over 80% for mission spucific) with just over 7000 hp armor and a med rep. 5 heavy lasers can deal some nice dps, plus drones... with 1Ab and 2XCap rechanger t2 (the only t2's mods i have) all cap stable too! it may be the fat chicken... but for a T1 tanker (which it is ment to be) i think its a good ship. (although im now saving up for a harby!!! :D) Its just you.. Tier and tech are not the same thing. It'ss all about different roles and uses. <3
Gotrek Gurnisson Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:42:00 - [29] The prophecy is just what it is designed to be - a starter ship for low SP pilots to allow them to start running L3's in. As soon as their skills pick up, or they have enough ISK in the bank most will switch from the Proph to a Harby or Geddon. After all, how many people can pick up their T1 cruisers and immediately graduate from L2 to L3 with less than 5M SP and still survive to tell the tale?
Elhina Novae Amarr Stone Shadow Syndicate deadspace society	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:59:00 - [30] Riiiight... Prophecy is a great Tier 1 ship it depends how you fit it. I live in a high quality 0.0 system and i can tank 3 Drone BSs without a single problem and only 1 MAR II active, and 1 Heatsink. Sure the Harbinger out DPS's this by far, but 1 MAR II isn't enough on that ship too cut it. I use Armageddon or Abaddon too rat now but i really recommend the Prophecy that is my ship of use when iam not: PVP = Harbinger ftw. Missions = Dual-repped Harbinger with 3 x CCC. Anything exept those 2 Prophecy thumbs up. Somebody set up us the bomb

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