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Miss Whippy Bloody Limeys 84	Posted - 2012.02.27 11:38:00 - [1] - Quote Apart from the fact that there's nothing Micro about CCP's idea of MT, this is a simple question to gauge how many people are for or against MT in a game you already pay for. For the most part I will be voting: Nay. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE.
McRoll Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 32	Posted - 2012.02.27 11:51:00 - [2] - Quote The answer is a no-brainer for people who understand the consequences of microtransactions. The typical cosmetic or "new weapon, new clothes" stuff brings in a lot of money, so from the developers point of view it makes more sense to spend a couple of days to **** out some virtual clothing for 5Gé¼ instead of developing meaningful content for the game which means way more work, money and time investment. By bying stuff htrough microtransactions the players ruin their own game because they could have gotten meaningful content from the developers instead. You can compare microtransactions to cancer, it started somewhere within a game developer company as a little tumor and spread out developing metastases to other game developers. Best examples for DLC or MT are the map pack for Call of Duty for example, (which costs around 15Gé¼ if I'm not mistaken-you would have gotten the content as a patch earlier) or the newest mount in WoW which costs insane 20Gé¼. Which sane developer would make a good addon for a game if you can make money so easily from idiots buying that? So my answer to microtransactions is to burn them with fire. And fire a dozen of nuclear missiles at them afterwards just to be sure.
T0RT0ISE KRAFTSTOFF GmbH KRAFTSTOFF 49	Posted - 2012.02.27 12:15:00 - [3] - Quote This hasn't been asked before. What a brilliant thread.
Valei Khurelem 386	Posted - 2012.02.27 12:27:00 - [4] - Quote ******* nay "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Jackson Firn Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.02.27 12:34:00 - [5] - Quote At -ú15.99 a month per character no thanks, if they wanted to ditch that fee then i might be convoinced too roll with it, i have not been in the game long enough to understand all the implications, but i urge on the Nay..
Bischopt Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 78	Posted - 2012.02.27 12:35:00 - [6] - Quote No.
Grey Stormshadow draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 950	Posted - 2012.02.27 12:45:00 - [7] - Quote Miss Whippy wrote: Apart from the fact that there's nothing Micro about CCP's idea of MT, this is a simple question to gauge how many people are for or against MT in a game you already pay for. For the most part I will be voting: Nay. As long the vanity micro transactions are self sustaining and provide the salaries for NEW developers assigned to the project, I have nothing against it. IE custom paint shops, corporation/alliance HQ upgrades or clothes. If stuff like this starts to eat funding from sub fees, there is a problem. Get
Miss Whippy Bloody Limeys 84	Posted - 2012.02.27 12:48:00 - [8] - Quote T0RT0ISE wrote: This hasn't been asked before. What a brilliant thread. Oh look, an angry virgin spreading his virginity rage on the nets. Not seen that before. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE.
TheBlueMonkey Natural Progression 79	Posted - 2012.02.27 12:55:00 - [9] - Quote hell no
Ayumi Hinoki Shimai of New Eden 30	Posted - 2012.02.27 13:05:00 - [10] - Quote Nay.
Cyprus Black Cowboy Diplomacy 146	Posted - 2012.02.27 13:58:00 - [11] - Quote Micro transactions aren't a simple yes/no thing. It depends on whats being sold and at what price. Currently the stuff we have now is anything but "micro". If MT can be done right then yes I'm for it. But CCP has already proven that they don't know anything about MT nor how a functioning MT system works. Follow my EvE blog at: http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/
Herold Oldtimer Caldari Provisions Caldari State 28	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:09:00 - [12] - Quote As long as the things you buy is cosmetic, I have no problem with players using money if they want to look more different. Its their money after all.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1104	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:30:00 - [13] - Quote Herold Oldtimer wrote: As long as the things you buy is cosmetic, I have no problem with players using money if they want to look more different. Its their money after all. Microtransactions are fine so long as CCP does not go crazy with them. Cosmetic stuff as it is now is perfectly fine. Anybody who says otherwise is just being ignorant and stubborn. CCP needs to make money. The more they make the more they can evolve EvE and the more Devs they can hire instead of fire. And did we really need another one of these threads? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
CanIHave YourStuff In Praise Of Shadows 12	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:37:00 - [14] - Quote Be careful. Questioning the op can lead to personal attCks.
tikktokk tokkzikk Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent 30	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:37:00 - [15] - Quote Microtransaction: a short-term plan that fucks up a game long-term. EvE Online: A long-term epic game. So... umh... NAY to ******* up my favorite game!
Basileus Volkan Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 87	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:37:00 - [16] - Quote What are they supposed to offer anyway? Clothes? We've been there, sane people don't want Space Barbies. Ship customizations which you don't see most of the time or possibly get primaried for using? People either buy that kind of stuff once (because they don't lose ships in Highsec) or they don't bother because they lose ships all the time in 0.0 so... There really is little point.
Wacktopia Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 196	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:43:00 - [17] - Quote It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How". MT kind of already exists through the PLEX purchasing system. The potential problems/questions I have with MTs are... - Will you be able to buy FiS things through NeX that you cannot get anywhere else? - Will those "things" be limited to blue-prints so they are actually manufactured outside of NeX? - Will the NeX items be destroy-on-death? I.e will a panted ship remain painted for you or will you need to re-paint it? - Will the items you can buy ever enhance your ship or character in space? :-( In general I don't want to see anything else going into the NeX at all but we'll see where the freight train of whoever is behind the mess of NeX takes us NeXt. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67574 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 443	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:47:00 - [18] - Quote Not just no, **** no. A cash shop has no place in a subscription game, and CCP should be ashamed for trying to do it in EVE. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Miss Whippy Bloody Limeys 86	Posted - 2012.02.27 15:40:00 - [19] - Quote Cyprus Black wrote: Micro transactions aren't a simple yes/no thing. It depends on whats being sold and at what price. Currently the stuff we have now is anything but "micro". If MT can be done right then yes I'm for it. But CCP has already proven that they don't know anything about MT nor how a functioning MT system works. Wrong, I'm talking about the very concept of having MT in a PtP game. I don't like paying extra for anything in a game I'm already paying for, be it vanity or not. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE.
Miss Whippy Bloody Limeys 86	Posted - 2012.02.27 15:44:00 - [20] - Quote Wacktopia wrote: It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How". MT kind of already exists through the PLEX purchasing system. The potential problems/questions I have with MTs are... - Will you be able to buy FiS things through NeX that you cannot get anywhere else? - Will those "things" be limited to blue-prints so they are actually manufactured outside of NeX? - Will the NeX items be destroy-on-death? I.e will a panted ship remain painted for you or will you need to re-paint it? - Will the items you can buy ever enhance your ship or character in space? :-( In general I don't want to see anything else going into the NeX at all but we'll see where the freight train of whoever is behind the mess of NeX takes us NeXt. I don't regard Plexes as MT, for the simple reason that I STILL HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE GAME WITHOUT SELLING PLEX. Apologies for the caps, but there is a difference and I wish people would stop suggesting that Aurum and Plex are one and the same thing. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE.
Drew Solaert University of Caille Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2012.02.27 15:54:00 - [21] - Quote Aye As long as its vanity only. Clothing, Ship Skins etc fantastic give more. And as long as the ship skins require a ship of that type to be traded in as well so nothing is just "created" from thin air,
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 3298	Posted - 2012.02.27 16:13:00 - [22] - Quote Vanity only and more vanity. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 3298	Posted - 2012.02.27 16:14:00 - [23] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Not just no, **** no. A cash shop has no place in a subscription game, and CCP should be ashamed for trying to do it in EVE. Tell that to World of Warcraft, Final fantasy 14 and just about every subscription mmo out there today. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5080	Posted - 2012.02.27 16:18:00 - [24] - Quote Wacktopia wrote: It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How". While I don't really agree with the details listed, I agree with this general statement. MT that in no way affects the game (including not touching the market in any way)? Sure. Knock yourselves out. MT that breaks, subverts, circumvents, obsoletes or in some other way affects gameplay? **** no. The problem with MT in EVE is the uniquely integrated and interdependent universe CCP has created, and as an unfortunate side-effect (for their business development efforts that is) this means that the argument GÇ£don't use it if you don't like itGÇ¥ does not hold water GÇö what other people do directly affects me, no matter how much GÇ£it's just for their personal useGÇ¥ anything supposedly is. So as the wacko says, yes or no all comes down to GÇ£howGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1107	Posted - 2012.02.27 16:21:00 - [25] - Quote Miss Whippy wrote: Cyprus Black wrote: Micro transactions aren't a simple yes/no thing. It depends on whats being sold and at what price. Currently the stuff we have now is anything but "micro". If MT can be done right then yes I'm for it. But CCP has already proven that they don't know anything about MT nor how a functioning MT system works. Wrong, I'm talking about the very concept of having MT in a PtP game. I don't like paying extra for anything in a game I'm already paying for, be it vanity or not. Since PLEX is MT in itself and everything in the NeX store is able to be purchased using both PLEX and ISK your entire point and this thread are moot. Everything I bought on the NeX I got from the market with ISK. If I really cared to I would buy a PLEX with ISK and convert it to AUR for NeX items. You have the option...you don't HAVE to use your real money for anything. That is the difference with how CCP is running MT and every other game out there. It doesn't even compare. PLEX has always been a form of MT and nothing has changed at all with the introduction of the NeX store and anything that is in it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Brotha Umad Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2012.02.27 16:22:00 - [26] - Quote As long as it stays superficial with monocles and barbie stuff, yay. Otherwise hell nay.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1064	Posted - 2012.02.27 16:53:00 - [27] - Quote Miss Whippy wrote: Wacktopia wrote: It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How". MT kind of already exists through the PLEX purchasing system. The potential problems/questions I have with MTs are... - Will you be able to buy FiS things through NeX that you cannot get anywhere else? - Will those "things" be limited to blue-prints so they are actually manufactured outside of NeX? - Will the NeX items be destroy-on-death? I.e will a panted ship remain painted for you or will you need to re-paint it? - Will the items you can buy ever enhance your ship or character in space? :-( In general I don't want to see anything else going into the NeX at all but we'll see where the freight train of whoever is behind the mess of NeX takes us NeXt. I don't regard Plexes as MT, for the simple reason that I STILL HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE GAME WITHOUT SELLING PLEX. Apologies for the caps, but there is a difference and I wish people would stop suggesting that Aurum and Plex are one and the same thing. You really need to get it through your head that the only difference between PLEX and AUR is that AUR is vanity item specific, and more granular. You can purchase either with cash or with ISK. So yes, continue with MT in EVE... giving people the choice of buying items with in game currency or with cash, whichever suits them best. Where the MT "OPTION" plus subscription fee model does not work is when you have some items ONLY available with cash... which is exactly why DUST does not charge a subscription fee. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Sieges University of Caille Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2012.02.27 17:00:00 - [28] - Quote No.
Bischopt Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 78	Posted - 2012.02.27 17:04:00 - [29] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Not just no, **** no. A cash shop has no place in a subscription game, and CCP should be ashamed for trying to do it in EVE. This.
Vetrox Satria Canadian Forces Corp 9	Posted - 2012.02.27 17:37:00 - [30] - Quote If micro transactions are for vanity items skins for ships etc then whats the issue? Plex is a microtransaction for isk so you dont approve of this either i assume IRL I flaunt my cash by buying lots of expensive clothes to make everyone else shut the hell up cos they're dressed in crap. It doesnt hurt anyone, they still get to walk around hiding their junk the same as me...i just look better. You dont want micro transactions? then dont ******* use them nub cake. It wont hurt you, people with a pink drake wont be any better off than you other than they will have a pink drake with a black viper stripe down the middle and their guns will glow purple and the ships trail will be a rainbow.
Miss Whippy Bloody Limeys 86	Posted - 2012.02.27 17:40:00 - [31] - Quote Vetrox Satria wrote: If micro transactions are for vanity items skins for ships etc then whats the issue? Plex is a microtransaction for isk so you dont approve of this either i assume IRL I flaunt my cash by buying lots of expensive clothes to make everyone else shut the hell up cos they're dressed in crap. It doesnt hurt anyone, they still get to walk around hiding their junk the same as me...i just look better. You dont want micro transactions? then dont ******* use them nub cake. It wont hurt you, people with a pink drake wont be any better off than you other than they will have a pink drake with a black viper stripe down the middle and their guns will glow purple and the ships trail will be a rainbow. Explain why we need Aurum at all then Barbie fanboy. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1110	Posted - 2012.02.27 17:40:00 - [32] - Quote Vetrox Satria wrote: people with a pink drake wont be any better off than you other than they will have a pink drake with a black viper stripe down the middle and their guns will glow purple and the ships trail will be a rainbow. God yes! Rainbow trails ftw! Miss Whippy wrote: [quote=Vetrox Satria] Explain why we need Aurum at all then Barbie fanboy. First explain why you cannot understand the simple fact that MT's have been in the game for a very long time in the form of PLEX and will never change. It hasn't hurt EvE and has in fact helped immensely. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vetrox Satria Canadian Forces Corp 9	Posted - 2012.02.27 17:45:00 - [33] - Quote Miss Whippy wrote: Vetrox Satria wrote: If micro transactions are for vanity items skins for ships etc then whats the issue? Plex is a microtransaction for isk so you dont approve of this either i assume IRL I flaunt my cash by buying lots of expensive clothes to make everyone else shut the hell up cos they're dressed in crap. It doesnt hurt anyone, they still get to walk around hiding their junk the same as me...i just look better. You dont want micro transactions? then dont ***** use them nub cake. It wont hurt you, people with a pink drake wont be any better off than you other than they will have a pink drake with a black viper stripe down the middle and their guns will glow purple and the ships trail will be a rainbow. Explain why we need MT at all fanboy. Did you even read my post? Guess not cos you just want to rage at the machine. I want to look different...MT allows me to do this. Like i said IRL i pay extra money to look different, why shouldnt I do it in a video game...and also Vetrox Satria wrote:** It wont hurt you ^^this. (totally just quoted myself awwwww yeya) If MT allows you to own better items that give you a strategic advantage in game then I am hands down against that on a game I pay for so im with you in that sense but If some poor sap (like me) wants to waste a bajillion -ú$ on a virtual hat for his virtual avatar then let him chuck his money at it. Just remember...the more money we hurl at the develpers, the more we will get in return.
Lina Alar Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 45	Posted - 2012.02.27 18:33:00 - [34] - Quote Do we want vanity items? Yes. Should they appear out of thin air in the Eve economy? No. Should they be manufactured by players using blueprints or similar mechanisms? Yes. Should they be destructible like normal items? Yes. How should we be able to pay for them? ISK. Should there be a group of developers producing vanity items? Yes. Should this group be given priority over staffing for game mechanics, balance, general FiS / trade gameplay? NO. What else should we do? Provide a way for users to submit their own vanity customizations for inclusion in the game. (Really tough for an MMO, as opposed to a single-player game like Skyrim, but here's an opportunity to pioneer as opposed to "everyone else has a vanity shop so...")
Vetrox Satria Canadian Forces Corp 9	Posted - 2012.02.27 18:44:00 - [35] - Quote Lina Alar wrote: How should we be able to pay for them? ISK. You do know you can buy the vanity items with isk right? (that statement sounded alot more condesending (again I cant spell) than i want it too sorry) ATM i dont think there are enough vanity items to warrant any arguments at all. I know it would take quite a while (although there is now a team dedicated to it) but I would like to see 1000's of items with 100k's of combinations of clothes. I dont think players would want to produce them I know I would'nt bother making thousands of shirts. Still unsure on the idea of them being destructable...but that said it would help the people manufacturing it. Maybe all but the best of items should be able to be bought with iskies and save things like faction clothing (I would love to be a caldari state beurocrat (cant spell) with a suit) should just be on the Nex and only availible to the wealthiest of RPers. Remember isk = plex and plex = aur.
Grumpy Owly 281	Posted - 2012.02.27 18:47:00 - [36] - Quote As cosmetic additions who am I to judge how someone would spend their money or isk, especially if it makes them happy. It's up to CCP to decide if time invested towards such efforts is in the best interests of the game. And making the assumption it doesn't effect other issues or take focus away from other things adjudged to be more important to the game. However, I can see it as being possible for it to have it's own seperate buisness model as contributing to revenue for it's development, so the compartmentalisation that it can co-exist with FiS seems feasible to me. Definately no support for a pay to win model (e.g. gold ammo). (outside of game time just to stop the accuracy trolls ) Bounty Hunting for CSM 7 Stop EvE Apathy
Soulpirate State War Academy Caldari State 109	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:00:00 - [37] - Quote Aye. Everything in the NeX store can be bought with isk one way or they other and as long as there are no stat changing items or "gold ammo" in the NeX that you cant get any other way, it's a good system. Next thing they need to add to the NeX is smaller blocks of game time, as well as the other cloths that are finished already, hopefully in one of the next patches. If you want a good indication of how many people accept the NeX and Aurum in general, look at how many people took the tokens for the Christmas gift.
Lina Alar Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 45	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:04:00 - [38] - Quote Vetrox Satria wrote: Lina Alar wrote: How should we be able to pay for them? ISK. You do know you can buy the vanity items with isk right? (that statement sounded alot more condesending (again I cant spell) than i want it too sorry) ATM i dont think there are enough vanity items to warrant any arguments at all. I know it would take quite a while (although there is now a team dedicated to it) but I would like to see 1000's of items with 100k's of combinations of clothes. I dont think players would want to produce them I know I would'nt bother making thousands of shirts. Still unsure on the idea of them being destructable...but that said it would help the people manufacturing it. Maybe all but the best of items should be able to be bought with iskies and save things like faction clothing (I would love to be a caldari state beurocrat (cant spell) with a suit) should just be on the Nex and only availible to the wealthiest of RPers. Remember isk = plex and plex = aur. Agreed. By that flat statement I meant payment in the store using ISK, and the removal of Aurum. Grey Stormshadow pointed out in another thread that doing so would make a more direct connection between subscription fees and funding of vanity items, which I have to agree is probably a bad idea. After considering that, I probably do need to change that answer to AUR.
Solhild Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 628	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:17:00 - [39] - Quote No (PLEX/Isk system works fine - just charge more isk for stuff and CCP can materialise the isk to buy PLEX if prices get out of hand)
Solhild Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 628	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:19:00 - [40] - Quote Tippia wrote: Wacktopia wrote: It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How". While I don't really agree with the details listed, I agree with this general statement. MT that in no way affects the game (including not touching the market in any way)? Sure. Knock yourselves out. MT that breaks, subverts, circumvents, obsoletes or in some other way affects gameplay? **** no. The problem with MT in EVE is the uniquely integrated and interdependent universe CCP has created, and as an unfortunate side-effect (for their business development efforts that is) this means that the argument GÇ£don't use it if you don't like itGÇ¥ does not hold water GÇö what other people do directly affects me, no matter how much GÇ£it's just for their personal useGÇ¥ anything supposedly is. So as the wacko says, yes or no all comes down to GÇ£howGÇ¥. How = PLEX and break it into micro components called isk
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1072	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:53:00 - [41] - Quote Solhild wrote: Tippia wrote: Wacktopia wrote: It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How". While I don't really agree with the details listed, I agree with this general statement. MT that in no way affects the game (including not touching the market in any way)? Sure. Knock yourselves out. MT that breaks, subverts, circumvents, obsoletes or in some other way affects gameplay? **** no. The problem with MT in EVE is the uniquely integrated and interdependent universe CCP has created, and as an unfortunate side-effect (for their business development efforts that is) this means that the argument GÇ£don't use it if you don't like itGÇ¥ does not hold water GÇö what other people do directly affects me, no matter how much GÇ£it's just for their personal useGÇ¥ anything supposedly is. So as the wacko says, yes or no all comes down to GÇ£howGÇ¥. How = PLEX and break it into micro components called isk Or broken down into micro components called AUR, which is a currency that will also be used in DUST. I believe this latter point is part of the reason why CCP is reluctant to just go with an ISK only system. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1112	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:55:00 - [42] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Solhild wrote: Tippia wrote: Wacktopia wrote: It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How". While I don't really agree with the details listed, I agree with this general statement. MT that in no way affects the game (including not touching the market in any way)? Sure. Knock yourselves out. MT that breaks, subverts, circumvents, obsoletes or in some other way affects gameplay? ** no. The problem with MT in EVE is the uniquely integrated and interdependent universe CCP has created, and as an unfortunate side-effect (for their business development efforts that is) this means that the argument GÇ£don't use it if you don't like itGÇ¥ does not hold water GÇö what other people do directly affects me, no matter how much GÇ£it's just for their personal useGÇ¥ anything supposedly is. So as the wacko says, yes or no all comes down to GÇ£howGÇ¥. How = PLEX and break it into micro components called isk Or broken down into micro components called AUR, which is a currency that will also be used in DUST. I believe this latter point is part of the reason why CCP is reluctant to just go with an ISK only system. Yup. Likely it wasn't only a decision by CCP in that regard. Sony probably had some say in the matter as well. It is how companies make money. There is no harm in it. It really doesn't effect you at all if you just don't use it. It isn't forced on you by any means. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vetrox Satria Canadian Forces Corp 9	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:57:00 - [43] - Quote Lina Alar wrote: Vetrox Satria wrote: Lina Alar wrote: How should we be able to pay for them? ISK. You do know you can buy the vanity items with isk right? (that statement sounded alot more condesending (again I cant spell) than i want it too sorry) ATM i dont think there are enough vanity items to warrant any arguments at all. I know it would take quite a while (although there is now a team dedicated to it) but I would like to see 1000's of items with 100k's of combinations of clothes. I dont think players would want to produce them I know I would'nt bother making thousands of shirts. Still unsure on the idea of them being destructable...but that said it would help the people manufacturing it. Maybe all but the best of items should be able to be bought with iskies and save things like faction clothing (I would love to be a caldari state beurocrat (cant spell) with a suit) should just be on the Nex and only availible to the wealthiest of RPers. Remember isk = plex and plex = aur. Agreed. By that flat statement I meant payment in the store using ISK, and the removal of Aurum. Grey Stormshadow pointed out in another thread that doing so would make a more direct connection between subscription fees and funding of vanity items, which I have to agree is probably a bad idea. After considering that, I probably do need to change that answer to AUR. +1 I dont see the point of aurum considering you just buy a plex with isk. I mean aurum is all well and good apart from the fact that it has driven the price of plex up since it was introduced. However Im at the state now where...Im not at all bothered weather or not aur is kept in or not considering it is still accesible to everyone...even if the monocle is a bajillion isk. I just want more clothes and some that aren't too expensive. Any chance of some beefy gladiator style (all sci-fied up of course) pauldrons and bracers just some different clothes. You got the basic startup clothes that you pick when you customise your char. I really want a red tank top for my avatar can i have one that is maybe 200k isk? (so 500 ish aur?) NOTE: They should ad holsters...man my guy would loook sweeeeet with a holster and a gun EDIT: just seen the posts about aurum in Dust and its now making me think about the whole aur thing...ive had enough arguing (although its now more of a debate :D ) im actually going to go play the game im paying for
fuer0n Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:00:00 - [44] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Solhild wrote: Tippia wrote: Wacktopia wrote: It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How". While I don't really agree with the details listed, I agree with this general statement. MT that in no way affects the game (including not touching the market in any way)? Sure. Knock yourselves out. MT that breaks, subverts, circumvents, obsoletes or in some other way affects gameplay? **** no. The problem with MT in EVE is the uniquely integrated and interdependent universe CCP has created, and as an unfortunate side-effect (for their business development efforts that is) this means that the argument GÇ£don't use it if you don't like itGÇ¥ does not hold water GÇö what other people do directly affects me, no matter how much GÇ£it's just for their personal useGÇ¥ anything supposedly is. So as the wacko says, yes or no all comes down to GÇ£howGÇ¥. How = PLEX and break it into micro components called isk Or broken down into micro components called AUR, which is a currency that will also be used in DUST. I believe this latter point is part of the reason why CCP is reluctant to just go with an ISK only system. there's another game that's in beta atm that the devs categorically quote " no pay to win" yet just recently they released a gamplay type that requires unlocks that can be only be gotten by major grinding or buying in game currency. menwhile to have any chance at being half way competitive you have to have said unlock. if dust goes down this route tbh they can keep it. edit: so in conclusion get your arse handed to you by scrubs or grind for a couple of weeks or pay up. meh meh meh.
coolzero The Replicators Northern Associates. 18	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:10:00 - [45] - Quote Nova Fox wrote: Vanity only and more vanity. this i would love to pay for a dancing pole in my captain quarters and have the exotic dancers i saved up doing something :D gold ammo...no way. ow and do away with aurum, we have plex that enough to use for microtransactions.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE 278	Posted - 2012.02.27 21:16:00 - [46] - Quote Miss Whippy wrote: Apart from the fact that there's nothing Micro about CCP's idea of MT, this is a simple question to gauge how many people are for or against MT in a game you already pay for. For the most part I will be voting: Nay. EDIT: This isn't a discussion, just say yes or no. You said your opinion, I'll say mine. Yay. As long as it has no impact on gameplay (no gold ammo or special edition ships), and it's just purely vanity items (clothing, like certain games have clothing, pets, etc). Who cares if CCP makes more money on top of the subs, but it never ever should impact the gameplay. Ever. Not to mention that'd be horrendous, potential impact wise, on the sandbox. this is a signature
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 737	Posted - 2012.02.27 21:19:00 - [47] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Not just no, **** no. A cash shop has no place in a subscription game, and CCP should be ashamed for trying to do it in EVE. You mean like the PLEX system? Aurum buys toys. PLEX buys Titans, characters, game time, pays for nullwars, etc. I'm pretty sure I'd take Aurum over PLEX for long term game stability. Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too!
Wacktopia Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 199	Posted - 2012.02.29 21:19:00 - [48] - Quote Miss Whippy wrote: Wacktopia wrote: It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How". MT kind of already exists through the PLEX purchasing system. The potential problems/questions I have with MTs are... - Will you be able to buy FiS things through NeX that you cannot get anywhere else? - Will those "things" be limited to blue-prints so they are actually manufactured outside of NeX? - Will the NeX items be destroy-on-death? I.e will a panted ship remain painted for you or will you need to re-paint it? - Will the items you can buy ever enhance your ship or character in space? :-( In general I don't want to see anything else going into the NeX at all but we'll see where the freight train of whoever is behind the mess of NeX takes us NeXt. I don't regard Plexes as MT, for the simple reason that I STILL HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE GAME WITHOUT SELLING PLEX. Apologies for the caps, but there is a difference and I wish people would stop suggesting that Aurum and Plex are one and the same thing. I'm not saying they are the SAME. $$$ > PLEX > stuff. That is a MT. An that is all I'm saying. Stop calling me out on stuff like youre right on it. You're wrong. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67574 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á

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