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Ethan Hunte TARDZ	Posted - 2008.04.14 06:45:00 - [1] http://kb.insrg.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=31871 Please could one of you give a battle report? musta been laggy...but fighting happened! and pretty balanced.
Privavarian Gallente 21st Raiders Regiment TWISTED INFECTION	Posted - 2008.04.14 06:52:00 - [2] No, just... No. If the Enemy is in range.. So are you.
Valkazm Amarr Dark BroTHerS Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.14 06:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Privavarian No, just... No. pass the joint .. ....................................... Quote: CCP Navigator mail at [email protected] for isk
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 07:03:00 - [4] stuf died "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2008.04.14 07:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Ethan Hunte and pretty balanced. 18 carriers, 4 motherships on one side. none on other. balanced ? lol yes the bs fleets were similar, only 5-6 more on insurgency side.
Jorin Molinn Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 07:20:00 - [6] killboards just dont tell the whole story ... ... as far as i heard insrg fleet was getting into the fight in small groups over time, so we might actually have been outnumbered most of the time ... only what i heard tho, stupid me was asleep and missed it =( ... cheers, Jorin
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 07:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Don Z0LA Originally by: Ethan Hunte and pretty balanced. 18 carriers, 4 motherships on one side. none on other. balanced ? lol yes the bs fleets were similar, only 5-6 more on insurgency side. was abut 80 vs that gang some guys lost 4 bs's in that fight look a littel closer "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
HipocritGency	Posted - 2008.04.14 07:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Jorin Molinn killboards just dont tell the whole story ... Yes.. even if Insurgency looses in numbers, they always win. They don't even lose if you kill all of their fleet, cause they always win. Crying if outnumbered, smacking if they are lucky :P
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2008.04.14 07:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Don Z0LA Originally by: Ethan Hunte and pretty balanced. 18 carriers, 4 motherships on one side. none on other. balanced ? lol yes the bs fleets were similar, only 5-6 more on insurgency side. was abut 80 vs that gang some guys lost 4 bs's in that fight look a littel closer i dont get what you mean, you wanna say you didnt had those capitals or what ? there are people on both sides who lost 2-3 ships and came back.
Varrakk Phantom Squad Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 07:46:00 - [10] Battle Summary for Z-K495, 23:40 - 00:54 INSRG got reinforced into the fight with capitals. Summary and crap was posted on SHC

Kyguard Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 08:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Don Z0LA Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Don Z0LA Originally by: Ethan Hunte and pretty balanced. 18 carriers, 4 motherships on one side. none on other. balanced ? lol yes the bs fleets were similar, only 5-6 more on insurgency side. was abut 80 vs that gang some guys lost 4 bs's in that fight look a littel closer i dont get what you mean, you wanna say you didnt had those capitals or what ? there are people on both sides who lost 2-3 ships and came back. We had those capitals, but they weren't all there from the beginning. All our bs weren't there from the beginning, more and more slowly trickled in. Few would die, few more would come, few more would die and so on. The battle details on the killboard make the battle appear very skewed as if we had all those BS on the field at one moment when our BS numbers was constantly fluctuating. Same with the capitals, people that lost ships went and grabbed their capitals and jumped into the fight. If you don't like that explanation, then everyone who was there can tell you that it was a great fight and everyone enjoyed it. The end. -
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2008.04.14 08:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Don Z0LA i have first hand info from people who were in fight. i didnt said fight was bad or anything, they enjoyed it aswell. i just stated that 18 capitals + 4 super capitals on one side and none on another is not balanced at no matter which point of fight.
Dacovale Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 09:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Don Z0LA Edited by: Don Z0LA on 14/04/2008 08:40:46 Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Don Z0LA i have first hand info from people who were in fight. i didnt said fight was bad or anything, they enjoyed it aswell. i just stated that 18 capitals + 4 super capitals on one side and none on another (with such "conventional fleet" numbers) is not balanced at no matter which point of fight. Ahuh. "balance" is subjective and in eve - non-existant. At the end of the day we held the field - I personally couldn't give a **** if the losers felt it was fair, balanced, good or even interesting. What mattered was winning and holding the field. You can "analyse" killboards all day and do the maths on battleships all you like. Statistics prove only that statistics can prove anything if you do your maths right. I was satisfied that we held the field against 3 seperate alliances who all converged to steamroller us. Whether you think this was an impressive victory or not is largely irrelevent to me. Our aim in game is not to impress you or anyone else for that matter. See you in space Regards Daco
Reacz Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 09:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Don Z0LA Edited by: Don Z0LA on 14/04/2008 08:40:46 Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Don Z0LA i have first hand info from people who were in fight. i didnt said fight was bad or anything, they enjoyed it aswell. i just stated that 18 capitals + 4 super capitals on one side and none on another (with such "conventional fleet" numbers) is not balanced at no matter which point of fight. So no massive props for bringing it then? No Christmas card for you.
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2008.04.14 09:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Dacovale Originally by: Don Z0LA Edited by: Don Z0LA on 14/04/2008 08:40:46 Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Don Z0LA i have first hand info from people who were in fight. i didnt said fight was bad or anything, they enjoyed it aswell. i just stated that 18 capitals + 4 super capitals on one side and none on another (with such "conventional fleet" numbers) is not balanced at no matter which point of fight. Ahuh. "balance" is subjective and in eve - non-existant. At the end of the day we held the field - I personally couldn't give a **** if the losers felt it was fair, balanced, good or even interesting. What mattered was winning and holding the field. You can "analyse" killboards all day and do the maths on battleships all you like. Statistics prove only that statistics can prove anything if you do your maths right. I was satisfied that we held the field against 3 seperate alliances who all converged to steamroller us. Whether you think this was an impressive victory or not is largely irrelevent to me. Our aim in game is not to impress you or anyone else for that matter. See you in space Regards Daco i never said you didnt win, i never said you shouldnt fight such way, i never said you shouldnt be satisfied, i didnt smack your alliance or corp etc i just commented on topic starters fact that it was "pretty balanced". dunno why you posted at all if you dont care. i aswell dont care do you consider it impressive victory or not, only thing i said and im still saying it is that it was not "pretty balanced".
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 09:55:00 - [16] As the cliche goes - lies, damn lies, and statistics Don't look at the killboard and assume you know better than us how the fight 'actually' went. You don't. INSRG were constantly outnumbered in the fight but more capitals and replacement ships kept coming in over the course of the 90 minutes or so the battle lasted. There is a battlereport on SHC if you want to read it, and stop making silly assumptions based on a killboard summary. ----------
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2008.04.14 09:59:00 - [17] Edited by: Don Z0LA on 14/04/2008 10:02:05 Edited by: Don Z0LA on 14/04/2008 10:01:45 Originally by: Butter Dog As the cliche goes - lies, damn lies, and statistics Don't look at the killboard and assume you know better than us how the fight 'actually' went. You don't. INSRG were constantly outnumbered in the fight but more capitals and replacement ships kept coming in over the course of the 90 minutes or so the battle lasted. There is a battlereport on SHC if you want to read it, and stop making silly assumptions based on a killboard summary. why are you so sure i wasnt there ? outnubered ? 10 bs on 5 ms means they are outnumbered aswell. does it make balanced fight thou ? i dont need to read battle report and im not making silly assumptions. edit : btw how do you know how fight went when you were not there ? ^^
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Don Z0LA Edited by: Don Z0LA on 14/04/2008 10:02:05 Edited by: Don Z0LA on 14/04/2008 10:01:45 Originally by: Butter Dog As the cliche goes - lies, damn lies, and statistics Don't look at the killboard and assume you know better than us how the fight 'actually' went. You don't. INSRG were constantly outnumbered in the fight but more capitals and replacement ships kept coming in over the course of the 90 minutes or so the battle lasted. There is a battlereport on SHC if you want to read it, and stop making silly assumptions based on a killboard summary. why are you so sure i wasnt there ? outnubered ? 10 bs on 5 ms means they are outnumbered aswell. does it make balanced fight thou ? i dont need to read battle report and im not making silly assumptions. edit : btw how do you know how fight went when you were not there ? ^^ thats right, i wasnt there, i only have 1 character in INSRG also, can you read? there were well over 150 of them and hardly any capitals at the start of the fight, as many have already told you ----------
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Don Z0LA Edited by: Don Z0LA on 14/04/2008 10:02:05 Edited by: Don Z0LA on 14/04/2008 10:01:45 Originally by: Butter Dog As the cliche goes - lies, damn lies, and statistics Don't look at the killboard and assume you know better than us how the fight 'actually' went. You don't. INSRG were constantly outnumbered in the fight but more capitals and replacement ships kept coming in over the course of the 90 minutes or so the battle lasted. There is a battlereport on SHC if you want to read it, and stop making silly assumptions based on a killboard summary. why are you so sure i wasnt there ? outnubered ? 10 bs on 5 ms means they are outnumbered aswell. does it make balanced fight thou ? i dont need to read battle report and im not making silly assumptions. edit : btw how do you know how fight went when you were not there ? ^^ thats right, i wasnt there, i only have 1 character in INSRG also, can you read? there were well over 150 of them and hardly any capitals at the start of the fight, as many have already told you well why do you think that i dont have character in 4S then ? also can you read, in rawr fleet plenty of people who died 2,3,4 times and came with new ships aswell? please before you blame me on sometehing check if you didnt missed it first.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:11:00 - [20] Originally by: Don Z0LA well why do you think that i dont have character in 4S then ? If you did that would certainly explain why you come across as such a bitter troll in this thread don't worry, you win some you lose some :) ----------

WraithTouched Vagabundos	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Don Z0LA Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Don Z0LA Edited by: Don Z0LA on 14/04/2008 10:02:05 Edited by: Don Z0LA on 14/04/2008 10:01:45 Originally by: Butter Dog As the cliche goes - lies, damn lies, and statistics Don't look at the killboard and assume you know better than us how the fight 'actually' went. You don't. INSRG were constantly outnumbered in the fight but more capitals and replacement ships kept coming in over the course of the 90 minutes or so the battle lasted. There is a battlereport on SHC if you want to read it, and stop making silly assumptions based on a killboard summary. why are you so sure i wasnt there ? outnubered ? 10 bs on 5 ms means they are outnumbered aswell. does it make balanced fight thou ? i dont need to read battle report and im not making silly assumptions. edit : btw how do you know how fight went when you were not there ? ^^ thats right, i wasnt there, i only have 1 character in INSRG also, can you read? there were well over 150 of them and hardly any capitals at the start of the fight, as many have already told you well why do you think that i dont have character in 4S then ? also can you read, in rawr fleet plenty of people who died 2,3,4 times and came with new ships aswell? please before you blame me on sometehing check if you didnt missed it first. I read the battle report in SHC and all seem to enjoyed the fight,i think you are doing more bad than good responding to insurgent in a slightly smacky way,that is assuming you have a main in MM.
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Don Z0LA well why do you think that i dont have character in 4S then ? If you did that would certainly explain why you come across as such a bitter troll in this thread don't worry, you win some you lose some :) dont worry for me i win much much more then i lose, im not bitter at all i just find it very funny to name such fight pretty balanced. if such fight makes glorious victory for you then thats lol for me. thou im aware there are pretty normal people in your alliance (not darth ofc :P) i find it amusing to waste some time during the work to have no point debates with people who wont change their opinion no matter what you say, for a pure reason of not wanting to "lose" on forums. as i said on start all i said is that fight was not pretty balanced. it was awesome fight, not much lag, almost 2 hours, everyone enjoyed it, insurgency held the field causing 6.6 bil dmg while susteining 6 bil, but 18 carriers and 4 moms dont make it balanced since in their repping mode it was impossible to brake their tanks. only carrier that died was the one that was out of the repping range. rawr gang had no firepower to even get a chance to brake their remote rep web (except on one thanatos for a bit :P).
Renox Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:30:00 - [23] From luckyduck Quote: Tonight Insurgency was visited by several folks. First up, Pure came up roughly 60 strong with a hac/recon/nano gang. We chased them around for a bit, they safed and didn't want to move. Word came up of other hostiles in the area, so we took off looking for more to kill. We stumbled across a 40 man hydra gang next, this was a thorough mix of fleet ships. We probed a few out, but they too quickly safed. Intel soon came in of lots more hostile activity in the area and we knew the fight was on as soon as these two gangs got support in. We tried to take a quick fight against MM in z-k but due to a bit of an off scouting report, we got quickly out gunned. Unfortunately, i was told bc/cruiser gang, and 50-60 bs later we kinda went poof in large quantities. 3 moms and a carrier jumped into system and went straight for the gate MM was camping. MM quickly jumped and burned back for the in gate to start the fight off. At that point, our support fleet was maybe 10 bs and 20 cruiser/bc sized ships... i was moving fast, so who knows. we came in far off the gate to start the engagement. Over the next 2 hrs, the fight just continuously escalated. We slowly poored in support fleet ships... and after they died, a few changed to carriers, the rest continued in bs or below. System was jammed, so no threat of hostile caps. Due to lag, warp outs, and deaths, at any given point, we had maybe 30 support fleet on the field working their fleet. They had probably 100 for the same reasons. Our fleet was in a constant state of reposistioning to stay alive and kill off whaterver possible to aid the moms. at some point, and for some reason, one of our carriers landed 100 off the rest ontop of the now combinded MM/PURE/HYDRA/OTHER MONKEYs and quickly ate it. I think there was a rouge bubble that pulled him in on warp, still not sure. Towards the end, we pulled the fleet off the field to regroup and get a new posistion, we were 250 off on warp out. we gained about 10-15 bs on bridge in's at this point. As we finally got up to roughly 15-20 combined carriers/moms, the field started to clear. whole fleet came back in to clear the final ~15ish bs remaining and support. Probing, loot whoring on a lvl even RKK doesn't know (DIAN is a great teacher), and good fun chatting persued. I think both sides probably had a blast. Absolute blood bath about 280 total ships destroyed. Well fought for both sides, look forward to doing it again. http://kb.insrg.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=31876 Lag for the most part was very managable by large scale fight standards. mods were very responsive and load times were at a minimum for the majority of people. Love the north so far, good fun TheJay > grrr slow stupid garlic eating surrender monkeys
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:30:00 - [24] Edited by: Don ZOLA on 14/04/2008 10:32:40 Originally by: WraithTouched I read the battle report in SHC and all seem to enjoyed the fight,i think you are doing more bad than good responding to insurgent in a slightly smacky way,that is assuming you have a main in MM. this is my main but i do have a network of alts in plenty of alliances :D edit: spelling :/
Reacz Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Don ZOLA Edited by: Don ZOLA on 14/04/2008 10:32:40 Originally by: WraithTouched I read the battle report in SHC and all seem to enjoyed the fight,i think you are doing more bad than good responding to insurgent in a slightly smacky way,that is assuming you have a main in MM. this is my main but i do have a network of alts in plenty of alliances :D edit: spelling :/
LordChaos Amarr Sons Of Amun	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:44:00 - [26] Insrg owns All Darth Solo is my Father :) The Master Of Chaos
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:47:00 - [27] If Celes ganked you/your pirate corp at some point over the last 4 years and it upsets you speak to iceinferno, shes the diplomat and cookie jar holder. :P Seriously though, the report above is accurate. Having said I wasn't there (or was I!? --------------- you all smell!
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:50:00 - [28] Originally by: welsh wizard If Celes ganked you/your pirate corp at some point over the last 4 years and it upsets you speak to iceinferno, shes the diplomat and cookie jar holder. :P Seriously though, the report above is accurate. Having said I wasn't there (or was I!? im pretty sure i`ve never died to celes, so have no worries :)
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Don Z0LA Originally by: welsh wizard If Celes ganked you/your pirate corp at some point over the last 4 years and it upsets you speak to iceinferno, shes the diplomat and cookie jar holder. :P Seriously though, the report above is accurate. Having said I wasn't there (or was I!? im pretty sure i`ve never died to celes, so have no worries :) Thats because you're better than us mate. --------------- you all smell!
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 11:17:00 - [30] whoever this Don guy is, he is obviously an anti-INSRG troll for whatever bitter reason (MM main, he got ganked by celes, whatever, I don't know or care) he also made some 'knowing' remarks about us issuing an 'ultimatum' to RZR in another thread... which was also total BS and made him look like a silly troll (and yes I am in a position to 'know' about these things Don, and the ultimatum you refer to was 'please remove your deathstar from our outpost system' - some ultimatum) so i think the best thing to do is ignore him, and let him vent his e-frustration whilst we get on with enjoying the pew pew heading in our direction :) ----------



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