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Acies Invictus Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.15 03:13:00 - [1] Drones. They are everywhere. They may even being living in your neighborhood. The question for today's concerned citizens is, "How does one combat this infestion?" Yes us frigate pilots are fast and nimble. Maybe even a little bit sexy. But the drones are fast too, and they are godless killing machines. Orbiting that red flashing cruiser at 500m seems like a good idea, but the plethora of drones say otherwise. What does a young, poor pilot do? Give up his life of crime and succumb to the way of the Carebear. There must be knowledge out there yet to be understood by this nubile creatue. Some snippet of wisdom from those with parrots and eyepatches. And wenches. How can one go on without wenches? Disclaimer: For those who aren't into my inebriated humor I shall make myself clear. What is the best way to combat drone ships (Gallente cruisers)? Thank you for your time.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.04.15 03:16:00 - [2] Be fast and use fast-tracking guns. For the Rifter, you'll want to be able to break the 4km/s barrier with a T2 MWD fitted, and using T2 150mm AC's should make it easy enough for you to kill the drones that are chasing you. Unless the target's drone navigation skill is up to snuff, his drones won't be able to keep up with your Rifter and thus won't be able to do much dmg to you. Just don't get webbed.
Acies Invictus Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.15 03:37:00 - [3] Don't get webbed? Is that even an option when I need to be within 1km for my ACs to be useful?
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.04.15 03:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Acies Invictus Don't get webbed? Is that even an option when I need to be within 1km for my ACs to be useful? you do realize that optimal range on ACs is useless right? You're falloff is what you should be going by. ____________________________________________ Originally by: Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
Acies Invictus Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.15 04:38:00 - [5] But that still puts me at 4km. Even t1 webs can grab you at 10km.
Trix Rabbit Gallente Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.04.15 04:41:00 - [6] Not getting webbed while flying a rifter with AC's is going to be pretty difficult. I suppose it could be done but your going to need 5's in range skills. Plus your going to be using lousy ammo to make it happen. The truth of the matter is that while it is certainly possible to take down a cruiser with a full drone complement in a rifter, its not going to be easy. And it shouldn't be of course, it is a cruiser, its a bigger better ship. The best way to deal with this situation is to have more then one person attacking.
Ka Jolo Ministry of Destruction Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 04:43:00 - [7] Sometimes you're better off ignoring the drones; if you can kill the ship before being killed, the drones will deactivate on their own. Other times you're better off orbiting your target ship to keep a point of scram on it while you kill the drones; each drone you kill represents a reduction in your enemy's dps, so the first 2-3 are most crucial. Very helpful when you tackle a Retriever. But if your enemy is in a Thorax, he's still blasting away with a bunch of guns. The trick is to know when to ignore the drones and when to take them out first--and the answer can depend as much on the pilot's skills as it does on his ship and drones. Ka Jolo Your Money or Your Life! The journal of a space pirate
Acies Invictus Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.15 05:08:00 - [8] Thanks for the help!
Xian X	Posted - 2008.04.15 06:36:00 - [9] what ka jolo said! And if I may add - I had a fight with a guy that had 4 medium scout drones attacking me. I was in an incursus, while I was popping his drones with 1 gun i continued shooting at him with 2 guns but as soon as i noticed he didn't have any tank or repairer on his ship i concentrated my fire on him. Result: one dead covetor and incursus still alive at 7% structure, lol yarr!
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.15 07:02:00 - [10] Orbit close in without MWD, scramble and nos the ship, web and kill the drones. It differs per ship and situation wether you want all drones gone or just 3. Most of the times I take em all out. It's also setup dependant; if you're against a target with more HP/endurance or a droneboat you need to stay in the fight, simply adding more HP, a gyro or an overdrive (which is useless on a Rifter anyway) doesn't really help with that. I use a bleeder setup (nos, 2 cap power relays, 7.5k scram) so I can stay in the fight much, much longer since I can simply keep repairing for ages.
Srecko C Swedish Gimp Squad	Posted - 2008.04.15 09:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Tzar'rim Orbit close in without MWD, scramble and nos the ship, web and kill the drones. It differs per ship and situation wether you want all drones gone or just 3. Most of the times I take em all out I'd love to see you try that with 1600mm plated blaster rax
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.15 09:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Srecko C Originally by: Tzar'rim Orbit close in without MWD, scramble and nos the ship, web and kill the drones. It differs per ship and situation wether you want all drones gone or just 3. Most of the times I take em all out I'd love to see you try that with 1600mm plated blaster rax If an experienced pilot in a non-stupid pvp setup thorax gets killed by a rifter then he should give all his stuff to that rifter pilot and just quit the game. And never touch a pvp game again.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.15 09:49:00 - [13] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 15/04/2008 09:52:23 This thread is full of people who don't actually fly Rifters and have no clue what they're talking about: Originally by: Khanid Kutie you do realize that optimal range on ACs is useless right? You're falloff is what you should be going by. Which is 7.5km + 1.5km optimal with Barrage S and perfect skills... stop brainlessly spewing 'frigates should not get webbed, ACs live in falloff' - it's totally untrue, particularly on a Rifter. Originally by: Havohej his drones won't be able to keep up with your Rifter and thus won't be able to do much dmg to you. Just don't get webbed. Given you can do nothing to him outside webrange, this approach is fail unless you're trying to be a make-believe interceptor. Originally by: Trix Rabbit Edited by: Trix Rabbit on 15/04/2008 04:45:17 Not getting webbed while flying a rifter with AC's is going to be pretty difficult. I suppose it could be done but your going to need 5's in range skills. Plus your going to be using lousy ammo to make it happen. ... Edit: to get the range you need you will probably need 200mm cannons, lead ammo, and a tracking computer with range script, plus 5's in relevant skills. That should get you out of webbing range. Stop giving advice if you cannot fly the ship... 200mm ACs hit the furthest if you're using Barrage. Carbonized lead or whatever T1 ammo you can fit which gives you a optimal bonus is worthless. The only theorethical way to work outside of webrange involves three falloff rigs and you'll still fight in overloaded webrange and at optimal+falloff (which will mean you do about 30ish dps). This makes sense already in a bleeder sort of setup: Originally by: Tzar'rim Orbit close in without MWD, scramble and nos the ship, web and kill the drones. It differs per ship and situation wether you want all drones gone or just 3. Most of the times I take em all out. However, web the ship if you're afraid of his guns, as webbing the drones makes you unable to control transversal and with the Rifter's tracking bonus and T1 ammo you'll be having no tracking issues even shooting lights, from my experience (with 150s). Basically. The whole Rifter piloting is about target selection (hunting nubbins or ships you know you can take); try to keep away from drone-bonused ships. If they do not appear heavily tanked, sometimes it pays much better to just go for the ship. In groups, you practically always want to go for the ship. That said, fitting-wise you will need either buffer+tank or tank to have the best chances of killing ratting cruisers - forget ODs, nanofibers and such - a 200mm RT and a sar II are most likely your best friends for solo pirating in a Rifter, but there are plenty other valid conifgurations (400 plate, etc). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Picadilly	Posted - 2008.04.15 09:53:00 - [14] I guess if it's solo 1v1 it's best to have at least the same class size of ship you are fighting against. Exception is when you are really good and the other guy is really noob. With similar amount of sp and experience and fitting it's pretty rare to kill let's say a myrm with a thorax or a dominix with a myrm.
Tetitas LaRue	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:06:00 - [15] If you choose to kill drones first, then do it at maximum scramble range (if this doesn't put you at higher risk), so the target needs more time to re-scoop / redeploy drones. Nowadays, drones aren't instarepaired when scooped, but anyways i feel more confident fighting drones at range
Zorai Miraden Gallente East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:13:00 - [16] If you are going to be getting in really close to the enemy ship with your Rifter just fit a couple of smart bombs. You'll be killing them and the drones at the same time. Recruitment Thread EKT Website
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:22:00 - [17] Originally by: Zorai Miraden If you are going to be getting in really close to the enemy ship with your Rifter just fit a couple of smart bombs. You'll be killing them and the drones at the same time. Again someone who doesn't fly the Rifter. (a) Small SBs take forever to kill drones. (b) Smartbombs cap you out in no time. (c) Smartbomb do faaaaail DPS.
Firkragg 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:29:00 - [18] Fools rush in Basically scramble the target but keep outside of web range. He will almost always deploy his droens to kill you and you can nail most fo them as they fly towards you. Once they are dead burn into range and open up, all guns blazing. also AB rifter > MWD rifter for everything but tackling
Picadilly	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:07:00 - [19] Tbh any half competent guy's short range medium guns should kill you in no time once you are webbed without even any drones.
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Picadilly Tbh any half competent guy's short range medium guns should kill you in no time once you are webbed without even any drones. True, but that's where the pilot's knowledge and experience comes in. If he's a good pilot he simply won't attack any ship with short range weapons and/or flocks of drones. Unless the target is noobish ofcourse.
Krij	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:48:00 - [21] Faction ammo for range is a nice idea. Also why not try an arty rifter for a change? That's what I like about the rifter it's very versatile. Kill the ship before the drones if possible, or if you really have to kill the drones first make sure they are webbed. Remember, if you are concentrating on the drones make sure you have the main ship scrammed or he'll slip away. If he's flounting t2 however you could allow him to run then scoop the drones, you'll make something out of the engagement for little loss. If it's a hulk engagement, it's a race and you really need to armour tank your rifter or use a punisher to survive the t2 drones of doomage. You have to have a plan before you engage a hulk, give them a bit of respect. People might laugh at an armour tanked rifter (mail me for setup), but I have numerous kills to prove it's a viable tactic. 2000 armour hp and 2500 m/s with a mwd. If you run an mwd you wont fit a web on unfortunately but you can play around with the basic setups. Turns like a brick but can get you out of web range and can survive a few drake volleys. Survivability is the key, I don't care how silly the setup seems, it works. If you want proof mail me ig and I'll forward killmails and various setups to anyone who wants them.
flashfresh BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:07:00 - [22] Edited by: flashfresh on 15/04/2008 12:08:11 Originally by: Cpt Branko ...... That said, fitting-wise you will need either buffer+tank or tank to have the best chances of killing ratting cruisers - forget ODs, nanofibers and such - a 200mm RT and a sar II are most likely your best friends for solo pirating in a Rifter.... Agreed. I've been flying rifters since I started and still do though I kinda like my Wolf, Jaguar and Hurricane. Still, I learnt most of my PvP in the humble t1 rifter and got many kills in it. Target selection is the key here; Cpt Branko has it bang-on. A T1 frigate can pwn ALL other T1 frigates, even the Bleeder-setup on a punisher (fly that as well) though it can take time. I tend to avoid all drone-cruisers as the odds are usually stacked against the rifter pilot, even a ship that is T2 fitted. I have tried to fly smart - it's about appropriate target selection. I KNEW on one occasion that the target I was going for ONLY had T1 ogres. I went in, webbed the vexor, popped his ogres one-by-one and killed him. Another time, another vexor, this one had an odd mix of T1/T2 light and meds. I took a chance and ignored his drones and went straight for the cruiser. He was only a nine-month old pilot, just out of an NPC corp and I figured he would panic once my T2 150mm with EMP/Hail chewed their way into his armour in under 5 seconds. He panicked, FORGOT to replenish his dead drones, as I had then switched to alternatively blasting the drones and him and he then died. He smacked a lot and called me a bully. Another time, I got noss'ed and webbed by yet another vexor. I GTFO before he dropped some drones on me. I ran to save my ship, so what? I then came back in a 1600mm ruppie and ate the fool up. You know why? He didn't even bother using his scanner to check that I was in a different ship this time round and jumped me in the top belt. All I am saying is that there is NO cookie-cut fit for any ship, even the rifter. The most powerful weapon is your brain. Drones are a pain, indeed but they are manageable. However, not using your brain - well, you will die each time. Good hunting. Flash
Ka Jolo Ministry of Destruction Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:29:00 - [23] Originally by: flashfresh The most powerful weapon is your brain. Drones are a pain, indeed but they are manageable. However, not using your brain - well, you will die each time. I want to add my expert opinion in support of flashfresh here. On the many occasions when I time-efficiently skip the "use your brain" part, I tend to die. Ka Jolo Your Money or Your Life! The journal of a space pirate
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:27:00 - [24] Edited by: Omarvelous on 15/04/2008 14:34:36 Edited by: Omarvelous on 15/04/2008 14:30:26 Drones are an anti-small ship weapon. So if you're flying a small ship - your primary focus is to eliminate them before you start attacking the main ship. 1st off note - most pvp-fit cruiser class ships and larger will be equipped with webs. That means when you get into range to attack your enemy - they will web you and remove your greatest advantage - speed. To counter this you need to web the larger ship back so you can keep each other locked close - and you can orbit close to out track his guns. I made the mistake of webbing the drones instead of the main ship when I was fighting a blaster pvp Ferox. Once I did that he was able to pull away to his optimal and outside of mine, and minimize transversal and melted me with his medium blasters. I later realized my ammo range was giving me the headache against hitting his drones - not a lack of a web. Drones - lock and fire on them, while keeping your web/scram/NOS on the main ship. Small AC will easily track the drones (hence you web the main ship and not the drones). Keep in mind the medium and large drones have orbit ranges ~ 4-5km, so make sure your ammo allows you to hit out that far (more of a note to small blaster boats). I used to fly a blaster Harpy very frequently - and my firing priority list would be drones > ship (unless the ship had no tank). Smartbombs are a ******** idea for frigates - especially Minmatar frigates that have little cap (capless weapons). You will cap out so fast, and the small smart bombs won't do a damn thing to anything. Drones are a frigate's bane - you must prioritize destroying them. Setup your frigate overview to view all neutral/hostile drones. Lock the drones as they come out, and get your point and web on the main ship. It takes some practice - one of the best fights I had was taking my NOS/blaster Harpy vs a an Arbitrator pilot. My small NOS pulsed faster than his medium neuts, and I was keeping just enough cap to fire my guns and run an odd shield rep cycle. Meanwhile I was working through his waves of drones. He had me in armor when I finally defanged him and started to work on his ship - but once I was firing on him the fight was already over. Had I not prioritized the drones - I would have popped without scratching his armor. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Lady Destruction Royal Enterprise Infinite Innovation	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:48:00 - [25] I am surprised how many ppl give very bad advices, seems like they never flew a rifter, but they still think they r the smartest! I am a gallente pilot, i fly vexors and thoraxes atm, and i can bet whatever u want that u won't kill my cruiser in ur rifter 1vs1, ever! I flew an incursus a decent long time and i understood that the key when flying a frigate is to pick ur target wisely, but this is worth for cruisers too, and any other ship as well. But yeah, rifter is by far the best frig imho, just keep away from thorax and vexor and u're fine. [url=http://kb.infinite-innovation.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=40015] [/url]
Acies Invictus Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:17:00 - [26] Again, thanks for the advice all. Trust me, I fully understand that I can't WTFPWN every cruiser I meet. I am mainly talking about miners who bring out there under skilled cruisers to kill the ore thief.
P'uck	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:56:00 - [27] Edited by: P''uck on 15/04/2008 15:58:26 very situational, but sometimes, while you orbit a pointed target, you can web drone nr1 (thus keeping it of hurting range) while shooting drone nr2 (tracking bonus ftw), effectively removing more drone dps from the fight in a shorter amount of time. id say that works especially well with hulks
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:02:00 - [28] As a drone lover the things that annoy and delay me most are smart bombs and people who get my drones to chase them far away from me. Even just a small smart bomb will generally make me pull them back as I don't know what sort of smart bomb it is until its too late.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:14:00 - [29] Originally by: z0de Edited by: z0de on 15/04/2008 16:08:13 As a drone lover the things that annoy and delay me most are smart bombs and people who get my drones to chase them far away from me. Even just a small smart bomb will generally make me pull them back as I don't know what sort of smart bomb it is until its too late. To repeat others one on one against a bigger ship you will nearly always be at the disadvantage. It's all about picking the right target. I guarantee that smart bomb did not come from a Rifter pilot. Its an option for ships with the cap and grid to fit one. Meet those requirements and they're very effective as a supplemental weapon - especially against ECM drone users. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: z0de Edited by: z0de on 15/04/2008 16:08:13 As a drone lover the things that annoy and delay me most are smart bombs and people who get my drones to chase them far away from me. Even just a small smart bomb will generally make me pull them back as I don't know what sort of smart bomb it is until its too late. To repeat others one on one against a bigger ship you will nearly always be at the disadvantage. It's all about picking the right target. I guarantee that smart bomb did not come from a Rifter pilot. Its an option for ships with the cap and grid to fit one. Meet those requirements and they're very effective as a supplemental weapon - especially against ECM drone users. Oh I know it wasn't a rifter. Just saying what works best against us, I don't fly rifters so I don't know know much about them aside from "lol a rifter, release light drones" maybe try making a smart bomb based set up and see how it goes.

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