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Sarah Tuttle Intergalactic Amalgamated Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:07:00 - [1] Almost two months ago I wrote an article for my blog that I never published. I felt it was too one sided. I want to publish the article now and then make some comments about how things have changed in the last two months. Here's the article... The Great War in the south between Band of Brothers and its allies and GoonSwarm and its allies has been going on for months. The last few weeks has seen Band of Brothers pushed back into its final fortress of Delve and the beginning of the campaign there for GoonSwarm and its allies. The first critical battle of the Delve campaign took place in QY6-RK in the W-4UIE constellation. Band of Brothers controlled the constellation by virtue of two outposts; one in QY6 and the other in F-TE1T. GoonSwarmÆs intention was to capture the outpost in QY6 and thus leave Band of BrothersÆ capital shipyard system in F-TE1T vulnerable to attack. The assault went on for two weeks with heavy losses on both sides. GoonSwarm claims that Band of Brothers lost a Nyx class mothership, three dreadnoughts and seven carriers during the battle. All Band of Brother control towers were destroyed and the outpost there was captured and placed in GoonSwarmÆs hands. While there have been some small skirmishes since the system came under the control of Goonswarm and its allies Band of Brothers has not mounted a major effort to take back control of the system. As on might expect Goonswarm and its allies went on to attack F-TE1T in an effort to shut down the capital ship construction there. The attack went badly for them even though they used a Titan in the effort, but as of the writing of this article Band of Brothers still controls the system and the outpost there. Surprisingly Goonswarm and its allies did not wait for the conquest of F-TE1T, but instead moved on to NOL-M9 in the B4H-9W constellation. In their initial attack on the system they managed to take down a cynosural jammer in a ôhotly contestedö battle. Once it was down they brought in additional capital and sub-capital forces which they used to damage ten control towers. Goonswarm and its allies lost over 50 battleships and a Rorqual carrying fuel during the assault. Red Alliance, a Goonswarm ally, lost a Titan during this effort. As of this writing both the system and the outpost are still in the hands of Band of Brothers. End of original article. For those who have followed things in the last two months things have changed drastically. Bob has not only retaken QY6, but they are starting to expand eastwards again. Little did I know when I wrote the above blog entry that I was speaking of two crucial turning points in the war. First, there was the failure of GoonSwarm and its allies to to take F-E1T and thus put a dent in Bob's capital ship construction. Then there was the loss of the Red Alliance Titan. It seems that after this even Red Alliance had little interest in the coalition that was formed against Bob. These two strategic changes have led to a Bob resurgence. One has to admire Bob for withstanding this assault and one can only marvel at the failure of the anti-Bob coalition. Maybe things will change again, but for right now it looks like Bob is expanding again and it doesn't look like there is much in their way.
Sarah Tuttle Intergalactic Amalgamated Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:07:00 - [2] Almost two months ago I wrote an article for my blog that I never published. I felt it was too one sided. I want to publish the article now and then make some comments about how things have changed in the last two months. Here's the article... The Great War in the south between Band of Brothers and its allies and GoonSwarm and its allies has been going on for months. The last few weeks has seen Band of Brothers pushed back into its final fortress of Delve and the beginning of the campaign there for GoonSwarm and its allies. The first critical battle of the Delve campaign took place in QY6-RK in the W-4UIE constellation. Band of Brothers controlled the constellation by virtue of two outposts; one in QY6 and the other in F-TE1T. GoonSwarmÆs intention was to capture the outpost in QY6 and thus leave Band of BrothersÆ capital shipyard system in F-TE1T vulnerable to attack. The assault went on for two weeks with heavy losses on both sides. GoonSwarm claims that Band of Brothers lost a Nyx class mothership, three dreadnoughts and seven carriers during the battle. All Band of Brother control towers were destroyed and the outpost there was captured and placed in GoonSwarmÆs hands. While there have been some small skirmishes since the system came under the control of Goonswarm and its allies Band of Brothers has not mounted a major effort to take back control of the system. As on might expect Goonswarm and its allies went on to attack F-TE1T in an effort to shut down the capital ship construction there. The attack went badly for them even though they used a Titan in the effort, but as of the writing of this article Band of Brothers still controls the system and the outpost there. Surprisingly Goonswarm and its allies did not wait for the conquest of F-TE1T, but instead moved on to NOL-M9 in the B4H-9W constellation. In their initial attack on the system they managed to take down a cynosural jammer in a ôhotly contestedö battle. Once it was down they brought in additional capital and sub-capital forces which they used to damage ten control towers. Goonswarm and its allies lost over 50 battleships and a Rorqual carrying fuel during the assault. Red Alliance, a Goonswarm ally, lost a Titan during this effort. As of this writing both the system and the outpost are still in the hands of Band of Brothers. End of original article. For those who have followed things in the last two months things have changed drastically. Bob has not only retaken QY6, but they are starting to expand eastwards again. Little did I know when I wrote the above blog entry that I was speaking of two crucial turning points in the war. First, there was the failure of GoonSwarm and its allies to to take F-E1T and thus put a dent in Bob's capital ship construction. Then there was the loss of the Red Alliance Titan. It seems that after this even Red Alliance had little interest in the coalition that was formed against Bob. These two strategic changes have led to a Bob resurgence. One has to admire Bob for withstanding this assault and one can only marvel at the failure of the anti-Bob coalition. Maybe things will change again, but for right now it looks like Bob is expanding again and it doesn't look like there is much in their way. Sarah Tuttle My Eve Site
Chib Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:10:00 - [3] can we just get a sticky called bob and goons and all posts about them can go there, it would save us from the entire first page being bob and goon threads all the time
Chib Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:10:00 - [4] can we just get a sticky called bob and goons and all posts about them can go there, it would save us from the entire first page being bob and goon threads all the time ---------------------------------------------
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:13:00 - [5] How bout.. If its only Goons vs BOB.. Goons will die horribly. I wonder how they will try to spin that. Oh wait...they didn't want to win anyways...
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:13:00 - [6] How bout.. If its only Goons vs BOB.. Goons will die horribly. I wonder how they will try to spin that. Oh wait...they didn't want to win anyways...
Sopha Serpentia Core Dynamics	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Chib can we just get a sticky called bob and goons and all posts about them can go there, it would save us from the entire first page being bob and goon threads all the time Why? And what forum have you been reading? Since the only other kind of thread on COAD for the last 2 months have been some altposter talking rubbish, or some nobody have an attention seeking fakebirthday. This was actually a well written, constructive and informative post. I miss battlereports :( Okay okay we occasionally get one sentence battle reports from the north, but they soon degenerate in to one word answers ("epic""fail""first").
Brmble Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov How bout.. If its only Goons vs BOB.. Goons will die horribly. I wonder how they will try to spin that. Oh wait...they didn't want to win anyways... k ~ no not believin in urself ~
hi2urpod Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov How bout.. If its only Goons vs BOB.. Goons will die horribly. I wonder how they will try to spin that. Oh wait...they didn't want to win anyways... People, even BoB knew that it would take multiple alliances to take them head on.If the goons fail it's a failure shared with RA,IAC,Razor,MM,IDONTWANTOTTYPETHEREST and that is if they even fail. It also means that BoB and their allies worked together in the right way.If they win or hold off the RAZOSWARMM that is ofc yet to be seen.
shivan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:18:00 - [10] Yay for me, I'm on the first page of yet ANOTHER Goon/BoB thread. Rather than a sticky, I think we should just have an entire forum dedicated to the bloody war!
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Sarah Tuttle Then there was the loss of the Red Alliance Titan. It seems that after this even Red Alliance had little interest in the coalition that was formed against Bob. I think you are mistaken if you think losing the titan is what caused RA to press less.. I would suggest it is more that they realised they couldnt rely on goons for their support. Goons are trying, but for all their talk they still arent cutting it ingame. If RA are to risk 100's of billions in capital ships, they want to know that they have a capable support backing them.. Currently they dont. If they leave goons to fight alone for a few months, they will either end up with a battle harded ally or a broken 1.. either way they will know better how to deal with them.. ------------------
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:51:00 - [12] You also should consider other factor's for RA's reluctance to make a hard push for things right now.. and that has to do with Drone land issues. You have XdeathX who who have been up in drone lands stiring the pot, then solar dragons of RA were called in to help and were told by RA to get back into the the BOB fight which they didn't do and got kicked from the alliance. So solar dragons breifly joined xdeath alliance and now started there own alliance called solar fleet. Ka-tet who sat behind RA cache provided some iskies/logitics/materials to ra kept ****ing off there neighbors and then later had a split in there own alliance. They split to Carpe Universities which are currently being removed from the map. And now ka-tet is setting with hostile forces on there door step which I'm sure slows down any supplies/warships going to RA. But I would like to add that hitting ka-tet isn't to hurt RA. Groups wanting to shoot Ka-tet is because of their own doing. It's just a bad sad effect for the -v-/goons war. But to add to the matters We don't like -v- or goons so... we'll see how things turn out in another year I guess :P -John
Sarah Tuttle Intergalactic Amalgamated Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:42:00 - [13] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Sarah Tuttle Then there was the loss of the Red Alliance Titan. It seems that after this even Red Alliance had little interest in the coalition that was formed against Bob. I think you are mistaken if you think losing the titan is what caused RA to press less.. I would suggest it is more that they realised they couldnt rely on goons for their support. Goons are trying, but for all their talk they still arent cutting it ingame. If RA are to risk 100's of billions in capital ships, they want to know that they have a capable support backing them.. Currently they dont. If they leave goons to fight alone for a few months, they will either end up with a battle harded ally or a broken 1.. either way they will know better how to deal with them.. Agreed. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. The loss of one ship is not significant unless it represented disappointment on the part of the Red Alliance in the coalition's support for it. Sarah Tuttle My Eve Site
RemusVI Gallente Legion Federation Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:39:00 - [14] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov How bout.. If its only Goons vs BOB.. Goons will die horribly. I wonder how they will try to spin that. Oh wait...they didn't want to win anyways... ahem if ya look closely into the Killmails a little more closer and open ur eyes u will see BOB is still fighting with many allies alongside with them that offer Full capital ship support and not to mention BOB has recruited a very highly PVP oriented corp to Fin-Fleet and their allies who keep giving them support as of now actively and during most of the neagements wich has to be mentioned EXE , STYX , AXE , SCA , S-W as such so is BOB actually fighting alone? against the coaliton no and no. Anwyas just wanted to give u information about whats going on. LEGION FEDERATION "We beleive in Vigilence ,Federalism and Freedom" President Of The Council and Fleet Admiral: Admiral RemusVI
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:04:00 - [15] Please... just stop making these posts. Been done to death... or even better, start your own forum up where you can discuss both entities until you are blue in the face, in private. I think I speak for 99% of the Eve community when I say 'We are sick of this now, and have been for some time tbqfh'. Kras. You'd be amazed how fast a cast lives run out when you have a hammer.
Ayserin Gallente Tha Squiddy Project New Eden Federation.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:37:00 - [16] Maybe if the allies stop stabbing eachother in he back BoB woulnd't be pushing again? (See IAC and AAA) And with the amount of RA (40+ pilots last weekend) padding killboards in CVA space for several hours, maybe they should join in the fight? The Goons seem to have a united front, but their allies seem to have other priorities.
Space Hog NEW DAWN CO INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:17:00 - [17] Did I make it on the first page of another Bob/Goon thread?
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:32:00 - [18] is it too late to place some bets Ormen? ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Gloomy Gus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:02:00 - [19] Let's talk about BoB and Goons Originally by: JakeNoble well id just like to say kilz is an epic****got
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Chib can we just get a sticky called bob and goons and all posts about them can go there, it would save us from the entire first page being bob and goon threads all the time qft 2isk
the rainingdeath The humble Crew Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:24:00 - [21] I do agree with the "omfg enough with the BoB/goon posts" comments but regardless of that fact, the post was very well written and contains a lot facts in it (which cant really be said for much of the other COAD posts now a days)... good insight m8
Post Man Pat And His Black And White Cat	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:44:00 - [22] A skilled boxer will often retreat, letting his opponent jolt forward in anticipation, then suddenly he will leap forward himself, landing a blow that uses his opponents forward momentum to inflict a lethal knockout punch. The wounded tiger was not really wounded at all, he was just feinting. Postman Pat
Guardian Angell Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:05:00 - [23] /me snores epicly ____________________________ Chance favors the prepared mind.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:16:00 - [24] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Sarah Tuttle Then there was the loss of the Red Alliance Titan. It seems that after this even Red Alliance had little interest in the coalition that was formed against Bob. I think you are mistaken if you think losing the titan is what caused RA to press less.. I would suggest it is more that they realised they couldnt rely on goons for their support. Goons are trying, but for all their talk they still arent cutting it ingame. If RA are to risk 100's of billions in capital ships, they want to know that they have a capable support backing them.. Currently they dont. If they leave goons to fight alone for a few months, they will either end up with a battle harded ally or a broken 1.. either way they will know better how to deal with them.. I think you are mistaken. All of RA's problems have been internal disputes between those who want to play the game, and those who want to farm the game.
Everir Entar Minmatar Legion Du Lys	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:20:00 - [25] That kind of thread will soon be a new mental disease that Dr.Phil (The mighty) will treat with all his awesome power.
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.04.16 00:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think you are mistaken. All of RA's problems have been internal disputes between those who want to play the game, and those who want to farm the game. Possibly that is also a factor, but that isnt a new issue for RA.. I wont argue that RA was much more focused when they were under direct threat.. now they have what's left of the coalition as a buffer for them.. (pretty much only the goons combat wise atm, but still lots of allied space) now everyone wants to have fun their different ways.. i must admit i do find it entertaining.. goons sold themselves as a meatshield to their allies.. and are now being left as exactly that to be chained by BOB.. but then i doubt your complaining either.. you can start cherry picking the decent pilots sooner or later.. ------------------
Ava Santiago Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.16 03:31:00 - [27] chews popcorn and watches the sales of munitions rack up. Concord doesn't provide consequences. Concord provides insurance payouts.*
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.16 03:37:00 - [28] GvB;dr _____________________________________________________________________________
Chib Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2008.04.16 08:51:00 - [29] you think katet is supplying ra with ships? they couldnt possibly supply both RA and me with ships as i lose them faster than RA true story ya know o/ shivsky ---------------------------------------------
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 09:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Post The wounded tiger was not really wounded at all, he was just feinting. How about paper tigers? Yes i know i spelled COAD wrong. Stop mailing me about it I refuse to read SHC

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