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MSDborris
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Posted - 2004.04.21 22:13:00 -
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is dcm worth the train time ? ( lvl 5 mining / astro lvl 5 )
any dev wanna give any info on how its gonna be fixed / improved or boosted ?
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RagnarH
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Posted - 2004.04.21 22:18:00 -
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it will be worth it sometime 
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MSDborris
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Posted - 2004.04.21 22:30:00 -
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sometime, so taking 2months to get these skills to lvl 5 will be worth it ?
Right now im thinking about how long ive been ineve and what ive done, and what skills i have ( and what other ppl in my corp has ) and i find myself a carbon copy of them,
when i first heard of dcm b4 caster i started the time in training to use em, but i heard of the problems mining it and the time taken to mine it and the battle ships needed to mine defend and haul it all and found myself asking more questions of thsi game and the time i play and the time involed ( im not hardcore ) i thought iw as when i first played this game but loging in train'ing skill logging off is what eve has become for me,
A week ago i got by a virus and had connection problems for 9 day's i missed alot from my corp and of eve so i found myself playing offline on my 2nd comp, having fun playing FPS and RTS games and with eve mining sim so terrible boring im looking for opion's of players that mine 0.0 miles from empire space is dcm worth it or is mining the other 4 rare ore's better ?
[/Terrible'ly boring rant]
im asking for opion's and advice on dcm, and on eve ( im tired atm so if this dont make sense then, ... )
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2004.04.21 22:41:00 -
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its DEFFINITELY not worth it...
all it will enable you is to mine mercoxite, which can be refined into morphite...
however, id rather go for dark ochre, spodumain or arkonor, you will get morphite too that way, and you will also gain nice byproducts
you wont have the logistical hassle of transporting ore that needs 40m¦/unite, and that you can only extract at 1 unit/minute/laser
you will not have to get as close as 5000m to be able to mine, and there will not be any pollution clouds to deal with while mining the other ores.
unless they SCRAP morphite gain from other ores than mercoxite, it is DEFFINITELY a WASTE of trainingtime... guess i could allready fly interceptors without that BS. (b as in bull, s as in... you get the idea..)thanks big time devs!
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.04.21 22:47:00 -
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What they need to do to compensate for these frog-ups is to make every advanced skill that follows require lvl5 of the regular skill instead of like most times now lvl4.
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2004.04.21 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Manfred Doomhammer on 21/04/2004 23:04:34
well.. that would be ok, still it would not solve the problem of the DCM skill being the most useless skill in the game.. even jumpdrive operation will be of some use in the future, but as devs stated, they wont remove morphite from other ores... that way rendering it useless..
eve though some devs (who i think never ever touched a mining laser, even less probably fielded one) state that dcm pays of, that is BS.. i guess i need to send some pocket calcs to iceland... and someone should force the ones responsible for that mess to dcm mercoxite for some days...
the problme is, the longer they dont do anything about it, the more morphite gets stocked..
oh right, yeah, there will be some mysterious techX BPs that will require enough morphite to drain that stocks...
Yeah sure, Elvis is alive, and There are Aliens in Rosswell.... Wake up..
i fully beilve that there will be bps who might do that.... and we will get them SOONÖ or RATHER-SOONÖ
dang... there you go CCP... i consider myself a EVE-CCP-Fanboy, but on this topic you really made me rant, and now i even start to hate myself to give in.. Well Done
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Emptor Rosa
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Posted - 2004.04.21 23:09:00 -
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What is DCM? I'm training refine lv5 is that worth the wait?
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.04.21 23:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Emptor Rosa
What is DCM? I'm training refine lv5 is that worth the wait?
Hell no. That's all you should know.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.04.22 00:12:00 -
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It'll be worth it 2 years down the line when you can land on moons and use DCM to mine them.
Right now who knows what they were thinking, deliberate move to get people turned off by mining with this horrible association burning in the back of their heads?
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Alberto
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Posted - 2004.04.22 23:03:00 -
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I have level 2 deep core mining but I am still waiting on the ore to come out so that sucks
You say is it worth it? I know I am going to have an advantage over most player when the ore comes out so I think its worth it
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HarryManback
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Posted - 2004.04.22 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Alberto
I have level 2 deep core mining but I am still waiting on the ore to come out so that sucks
You say is it worth it? I know I am going to have an advantage over most player when the ore comes out so I think its worth it
Mercoxit is already out... least it was about a month ago when I saw it. Its just not worth mining it till players need massive amounts of morphite as the abundance of other ores that give morphite is devauling it.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.04.22 23:49:00 -
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DCM right now is pointless.
--However--
When tech 2 cruisers, larger tech 2 frigates, and medium/large tech II equipment come out, they will require a significantly larger amount of Morphite, which means that Ark/Spod/DkOc may not be able to satisfy the demand.
I wouldn't count on it though. That's a lot of maybes.
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Alberto
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Posted - 2004.04.23 01:11:00 -
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Mercoxit is already out... least it was about a month ago when I saw it. Its just not worth mining it till players need massive amounts of morphite as the abundance of other ores that give morphite is devauling it.
WERE??????? i am sick of waiting i would like to try out my skill
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HarryManback
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Posted - 2004.04.23 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: HarryManback on 23/04/2004 02:14:21
Originally by: Alberto
WERE??????? i am sick of waiting i would like to try out my skill
Saw you ask in another post but like they all said deep 0.0
really though it aint worth it :/
I think when POS come out they may need vast amounts of morphite so maybe then it will be. Stockpiling now may give you a nice headstart.
I guess we just have to have faith in the devs when they say it is worth having and hope they make it worthwhile.
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Oh and if you have no experience of DCM its useful to know the higher your skill the smaller the dmg cloud you get when mining mercoxit while at lvl1 the cloud will get you at the 5km range you need to be at lvl3-4 will make it easy on you at 5km as the cloud wont reach.
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Alberto
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Posted - 2004.04.24 04:09:00 -
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thanks for the info harry it's good to know 
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a176
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Posted - 2004.04.24 04:36:00 -
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It will also be quite painful to get podded by a certain someone, and having several weeks on training down the drain.
Uh...gogo cloning 
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2004.04.24 05:33:00 -
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well.. learning can be wurth while to train up.
Atleast when you have all the implants.
It will take you some 5-6 days then to go from lv4 to 5.
And 30 days total for all 6 skills.
Then you'll have the initial +2%.
And each atribute can mean as much as 6%-12% in learning time.
So you can save around 15-25% of your learning time on going from lv4 to lv5 on all.
The effect of that you'll see later on.
And of course.. that effect is incremental as time goes on.
So when you have time to do so I highly recomend it.
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Olag Gan
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Posted - 2004.04.24 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Olag Gan on 24/04/2004 07:49:30
Well here's a little story about a miner that wanted to specialize in Deep Core Mining.
I was probably the first person to train DCM all the way to level 5. The morning DCM hit the market I began training it and continued training it for a whole month until I had it to level 5. I also trained another character (2 accounts) to Mercoxit refining level 5 (5 or 6 weeks not stop).
Why train them to level 5 you may ask? Well like I said I wanted to "specialize" in a certain field and DCM offered me that opportunity.
For the first 2 months my corp concentrated on locating and mining Mercoxit.
It was a great and enjoyable challenge to overcome the 'difficulties' we encountered:
Player alliances out to get us, mining pollution clouds*, long-distance hauling through hostile regions, crazy NPC Cruiser and Battleship Spawns, DCM Mining lasers that churn out just 1 piece of Mercoxit per minute and eat your cap, ridiculously high volume ore making getting a single refines worth a job in itself, not being able to use mining drones etc etc etc...
Anyway, after 8-10 weeks we had about 20,000 pieces of Morphite - minus several destroyed haulers to pirates and PK's and some badly damaged mining rigs due to pollution and NPC encounters.
But here's the problem - while we mined Mercoxit and EARNED our Morphite the hard way by learning the skills and specializing in DCM and overcoming all of the above, some bright-spark of a DEV allowed players that had no DCM skills and had never even used a DCM laser to get more than enough Morphite from ores other than Mercoxit (i.e. Ark, Dark Ochre etc). And thus the game steadily became flooded with this cheap 'by-product' Morphite. And as such that particular mineral is selling for as low as 10K in some places. If Morphite was only available from Mercoxit, IMHO its market value should be at least 3 times that for whats involved.
So, my advice to anyone in regards to DCM is not to waste your time and skills learning it. You may as well stick to mining 'common' ores since the hassle involved is not even in the same league as that of mining Mercoxit. You get more than enough Morphite to satisfy the current demand and don't even have to learn a new skill to get it 
CCP really dropped the ball when it came to DCM. Thier intentions were good - introducing a true speicialized skill, but they f**ked it up by allowing players with no relevant skill to get Morphite from other means.
If you read the in-game description of Morphite, it states it can only be got from the hard to mine Mercoxit asteroid. Which any old hard and bitter Deep Core Miner will tell ya, its utter bullsh!t 
My Deep Core Miner has, for the last 2-3 months, returned to empire space now and gone back to mining Scordite. And until CCP make it a worthwhile proffession (if ever), I can't ever see me returning to the life of a Deep Core Miner.
Ok, rant over... I feel better now 
* incidently - for those that are STILL going to train DCM, dont bother training it to level 5 since you still seem to get a pollution cloud just as often as you do at level 1.
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Olag Gan
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Posted - 2004.04.24 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
DCM right now is pointless.
--However--
When tech 2 cruisers, larger tech 2 frigates, and medium/large tech II equipment come out, they will require a significantly larger amount of Morphite, which means that Ark/Spod/DkOc may not be able to satisfy the demand.
I wouldn't count on it though. That's a lot of maybes.
I was hoping that too, but the amount of Morphite required for a Tech II Battleship for example will NOT be that much going by the current mineral-requirment formula. Someone had a good post a while ago which listed the amount of minerals need for construction and the estimates that would be required for Tech II stuff (including the new Battleships and high-end stuff). (I'll link it it I can find it).
Of course, CCP may see the error of their ways and make it so you need relativley high amounts of Morphite for such construction - but somehow I doubt it.
The amount of Morphite needed for high end Tech II stuff will be NOT be enough to make any significant dent in the amount of Morphite already in-game. So DCM probably won't be worthwhile for a long time to come - if ever.
I hope I'm wrong.
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