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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.16 16:51:00 -
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Ok, <troll ammunition>I'm the first to admit that I really don't understand the value of the nanofibre modules</troll ammunition>, however the whole series of nanoship threads got me looking at nanoship layouts. They all contain nanofibre mods.
I don't want a nanoship, but I do want a nimble buzzard (that doesn't count as a nanoship right?) So I tried a variety of combos swapping out combinations of nano-modules for overdrive injectors .. and I still can't see the big deal about these things?
The nano-modules make the ship lighter right? But what effect does that have on ABs, WMDs or overall speed? As far as I can tell the Overdrive Injectors more directly effect this.
So why would anyone put nano-modules in when they could use overdrive injectors instead. Why do all of the nano-fits us nanos? What am I missing in appreciating the big deal?
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.16 16:51:00 -
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Ok, <troll ammunition>I'm the first to admit that I really don't understand the value of the nanofibre modules</troll ammunition>, however the whole series of nanoship threads got me looking at nanoship layouts. They all contain nanofibre mods.
I don't want a nanoship, but I do want a nimble buzzard (that doesn't count as a nanoship right?) So I tried a variety of combos swapping out combinations of nano-modules for overdrive injectors .. and I still can't see the big deal about these things?
The nano-modules make the ship lighter right? But what effect does that have on ABs, WMDs or overall speed? As far as I can tell the Overdrive Injectors more directly effect this.
So why would anyone put nano-modules in when they could use overdrive injectors instead. Why do all of the nano-fits us nanos? What am I missing in appreciating the big deal?
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Faife
Blackrain Solutions Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.16 16:53:00 -
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Did you do it in EFT, or by actually undocking and hitting full speed with MWD?
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Faife
Blackrain Solutions Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.16 16:53:00 -
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Did you do it in EFT, or by actually undocking and hitting full speed with MWD?
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2008.04.16 16:54:00 -
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Nanos = faster alignment, more speed with WMD
Overdrive = more total speed
usually you'd only use nanos over ODs if you really needed the agility or were using Aux Thruster rigs. ...
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2008.04.16 16:54:00 -
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Nanos = faster alignment, more speed with WMD
Overdrive = more total speed
usually you'd only use nanos over ODs if you really needed the agility or were using Aux Thruster rigs. ...
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.16 16:55:00 -
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DISCLAIMER: I MAY NOT KNOW WTF I'M TALKING ABOUT
If I remember correctly, nanofibers reduce your mass - this improves the effectiveness of MWDs and AB because their speed boost is the listed bonus x thrust / ship mass. In addition, mass affects your aligning time.
Overdrives increase your base speed, but don't improve your agility in any way. As such your ship will be faster but it's acceleration time and turning radius will be worse off as a result. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.16 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Faife Did you do it in EFT, or by actually undocking and hitting full speed with MWD?
I did. Having two overdrive injectors gave me a better top speed cloaked and uncloaked. I tried 2 Overdrive Injectors, 2 Nanos, 1 of each.
I did not try, 1 overdrive injector with and without a nano. Perhaps I should
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.16 16:55:00 -
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DISCLAIMER: I MAY NOT KNOW WTF I'M TALKING ABOUT
If I remember correctly, nanofibers reduce your mass - this improves the effectiveness of MWDs and AB because their speed boost is the listed bonus x thrust / ship mass. In addition, mass affects your aligning time.
Overdrives increase your base speed, but don't improve your agility in any way. As such your ship will be faster but it's acceleration time and turning radius will be worse off as a result. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.16 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Faife Did you do it in EFT, or by actually undocking and hitting full speed with MWD?
I did. Having two overdrive injectors gave me a better top speed cloaked and uncloaked. I tried 2 Overdrive Injectors, 2 Nanos, 1 of each.
I did not try, 1 overdrive injector with and without a nano. Perhaps I should
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.16 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic DISCLAIMER: I MAY NOT KNOW WTF I'M TALKING ABOUT
If I remember correctly, nanofibers reduce your mass - this improves the effectiveness of MWDs and AB because their speed boost is the listed bonus x thrust / ship mass. In addition, mass affects your aligning time.
Overdrives increase your base speed, but don't improve your agility in any way. As such your ship will be faster but it's acceleration time and turning radius will be worse off as a result.
Overdrives only boost speed. They dont increase align speed.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.04.16 17:01:00 -
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Inertial Stabilizers = Agility Overdrives = Velocity (Maximum) Nanofibers = Acceleration (Rate of)
Fairly easy.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.04.16 17:12:00 -
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Nanofibers increase your speed when using ab/mwd. Overdrives also increase your speed and 1 for 1 will generally increase it more if it's just one of each but the situation gets a little trickier when multiples and/or rigs are considered.
For example, 3 overdrives and a nano will provide more boosted top speed than 4 overdrives in most cases because of the diminishing returns on overdrives.
A program like eft can be used to explain it.
Nanos of course have acceleration and turning advantages that overdrives don't.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.04.16 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Overdrives increase your base speed, but don't improve your agility in any way. As such your ship will be faster but it's acceleration time and turning radius will be worse off as a result.
With Overdrives acceleration time wouldn't increase. You can say it either stays the same or that it decreases, depending on what you're looking at...
Acceleration time to any percentage of your max velocity stays the same. Therefor the time to get to any specific integer speed between 0 and max decreases.
So align time remains the same since it's a percentage of your current maximum. Time to go from 0 - 500 m/s if your new maximum goes from 800 to 1000m/s decreases. |
Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.04.16 17:20:00 -
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Mass * agility multiplier = your ship's agility
Nanofibers reduce mass. |
Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.04.16 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Inertial Stabilizers = Agility Overdrives = Velocity (Maximum) Nanofibers = Acceleration (Rate of)
Fairly easy.
Very easy, but also wrong, or incomplete.:)
Istabs: agility. Improves nimbleness and acceleration.
Nanos: mass. Same effects as istabs for a given percentage bonus. (But istab bonuses are higher overall) Also improves your maximum velocity when you have a propulsion mod activated.
Overdrives: Improves maximum velocity, propulsed or not. Also can be said to improve acceleration in a way. (See above post for how.) |
motomysz
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.16 17:23:00 -
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WTB: WMDs referred to by the first two posters.
On a more relevent note: nanofibers reduce mass and increase the boost given by microwarpdrives, but they do not affect base speed. |
Christari Zuborov
Amarr Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.04.16 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Inertial Stabilizers = Agility Overdrives = Velocity (Maximum) Nanofibers = Acceleration (Rate of)
Fairly easy.
This really is the short, sweet, and simple of it.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.04.16 17:33:00 -
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I, too, would like a CovOps with a WMD.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Letrange
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.04.16 17:57:00 -
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Here's the secret:
For auto-piloting you want OD's, for anything involving getting into and out of a combat situation you want istabs or nanos mix and match till you get what you want performance wise. For combat it's usualy a mix - the limiting factor being your tracking speed on your guns. Play around till you're comfortable and still hitting the target.
Reasons:
Top speed: useful between the warp in point and the gate - shortens trip time. The other impact of top speed depends on outrunning explosions, and messing with the opponents tracking.
Agility: Turn to warp, turn to attack, accelerate away accelerate towards orbit tighter. Look, if you set the orbit at 1000m but you end up orbiting at 3000m adding an OD won't help the matter, it'll just push you out further. Adding an istab or nano will get you in closer with the same speed.
Acceleration: Your ship will warp when it hits 75% of max speed and is alligned with the target. if you put on an OD it takes LONGER to get to that point. This is since OD's don't affect acceleration. Otherwise the same affects as agility as far as tactical uses go. |
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.04.16 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Inertial Stabilizers = Agility Overdrives = Velocity (Maximum) Nanofibers = Acceleration (Rate of)
Fairly easy.
Very easy, but also wrong, or incomplete.:)
Istabs: agility. Improves nimbleness and acceleration.
Nanos: mass. Same effects as istabs for a given percentage bonus. (But istab bonuses are higher overall) Also improves your maximum velocity when you have a propulsion mod activated.
Overdrives: Improves maximum velocity, propulsed or not. Also can be said to improve acceleration in a way. (See above post for how.)
Also, keep in mind:
Istabs give a signature radius penalty
Nanos are most useful when combiuned with an MWD, infact, if you don't have a MWD fitted, don't bother fitting a nanofiber
ODs are useful but make sure you don't use them with rigs that share stacking penalties....
....which leads me to my next point:
In order to properly nano a ship, you need to be using rigs, usually this means polycarbs but for the purpose of being complete we will look at all of them.
First, the Cardinal rule of rigs (and really any mods): You only want a max of 3 mods being applied to any one stat as the stacking penalties make anything beyond that pointless (i.e. virtually no return) this means when adding rigs, you want to use the ones that will have the largest effect, i.e. not something that you are already triple bonus'ing.
Auxilliary thrusters share stacking penalties with Overdrives
Frictionless nozzle joints share stacking penalties with Istabs
and Polycarbon Engine Mountings share stacking penalties with Nanofibers
This is why you will often see a polycarb'd crow with 2 overdrives and 1 Istab, it is the most effective use of the relevant bonuses.
I hope that clears things up for a few people. --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noir. Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.16 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Nanofibers = Acceleration (Rate of)
Also how quickly you stop, I believe.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.16 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret I, too, would like a CovOps with a WMD.
By skimping elsewhere on fitted mods, and maxing skills you can fit a MWD on a CovOps no problem. (On my testing fit, I only had to give up 2 med slots and the third high slots on the buzzard) Having said that, having a MWD is not useful for everyday use. I'm not convinced a CovOps ships needs one given its current role.
An AB is more useful in a bubble than a MWD. Infact, most useful CovOps fits rely only on Overdrives Injectors.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.16 18:57:00 -
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For simple speed in a straight line, overdrive injectors are better than nanofibers. But when you have several overdrive injectors on, the stacking penalties start making more overdrives less effective than nanofibers for increasing speed on mwd. Also, you get more agility from the mass reduction. |
Shin Wha
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.16 18:59:00 -
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Also know that when it comes to small class ships, be sure to check their weight before even thinking of applying anything regarding nanos. Frigates and other small craft suffer more from agility then they do from weight.
An example is that the crow weighs light as a feather, but its base agility is like what 3.2? That horrible. So knowing that information, you should know its weight is not a problem, but its agility.
My current idea for my crow (using as example) is 1 overdrive and 1 nano (help offset weight from added weight of MWD) and 2 low friction Nozzle Joints (T1).
It will allow me to get in closer to my target if needed without having a lose of total speed.
example:
18km orbit is the closest I can get at 5km/s
while with agility mods, I can get as close as 10km/s and still go 5km/s because of my better rate of turn. |
Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.16 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Istabs: agility. Improves nimbleness and acceleration.
False.
And fail.
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Alora Venoda
GalTech Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.04.16 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim Nanos are most useful when combiuned with an MWD, infact, if you don't have a MWD fitted, don't bother fitting a nanofiber
if are fitting a ship for fast aligning, nanos are very important and have nothing to do with top speed. i find that a mix of nanos and i-stabs work the best. |
Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.04.16 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Wha Edited by: Shin Wha on 16/04/2008 19:07:01 Also know that when it comes to small class ships, be sure to check their weight before even thinking of applying anything regarding nanos. Frigates and other small craft suffer more from agility then they do from weight.
An example is that the crow weighs light as a feather, but its base agility is like what 3.2? That horrible. So knowing that information, you should know its weight is not a problem, but its agility.
It doesn't matter. Mass * Agility = "Nimbleness". Reduce Mass by 10% or Agility by 10%, you get the same result either way.
So you just have to look at three questions when deciding whether to go after one or the other:
1. Do you need the additional advantage to propulsed speed that reducing mass gives you?
2. What bonuses can you get? For instance, istabs offer bigger bonuses and thus a bigger gain to nimbleness than nanofibers do.
3. What other modules or rigs are you going to be stacking? A couple of nanofibers might seem like a good idea, but if you're fitting polycarbons in your rig slots, there's a good chance you'd be better off with istabs or something else entirely.
By the way, I don't fly the Crow, but unless it's a Rocket fit, I don't think getting your max velocity orbit down that low should be a very big concern. The agility would still be nice to have for other reasons though. |
Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.04.16 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Istabs: agility. Improves nimbleness and acceleration.
False.
And fail.
Jeeze Alowishus, I normally find your posts so smart. I'm going to have to side with the facts on this one. |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2008.04.16 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Istabs: agility. Improves nimbleness and acceleration.
False.
And fail.
Jeeze Alowishus, I normally find your posts so smart. I'm going to have to side with the facts on this one.
This. Agility IS acceleration ...
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