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Nonabelian Gauge
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Posted - 2008.04.16 20:14:00 -
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I've just come off my trial membership and I'm looking to jump into exploration. I have a bantam and kessie and I'm going to build a BlackOps for exploring. Since I'm going to be soloing mostly, what do you recommend for secondary ships (i.e. for handling ore, ratting) when exploring sites?
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Avalira
Caldari Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo
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Posted - 2008.04.16 20:47:00 -
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In all honesty it isn't a good idea to jump from frigates straight to battleships (in any case you need lots of training for BO's). The best exploration ship is a covert op frigate for scanning, or the T1 version being a Heron (caldari).
You mention ore and ratting, so I'm not 100% sure if you were looking to simply mining and ratting or if you really wanted to go into the mini-profession of exploration. They are totally different things and there are many guides on the forums. Just use eve-search.com to find them. 
Oh and welcome to EVE!
Selling the following: Probe BPC's ARK JF Silicon Diborite
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Nonabelian Gauge
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Posted - 2008.04.16 21:29:00 -
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thx. Looking to get into exploration. Heard about lots of great asteroids and comlpexs to raid. Want to know what I need to pull this off.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.04.16 22:14:00 -
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Start with a tech-1 astrometrics frigate. If you're Caldari the Heron is a fine choice. You'll need to train up the skill Astrometrics (under science) and probably the related skills of Signal Acquisition, etc. Eventually your goal is a covert ops frigate, in your case the Buzzard.
However, you also have to train your general combat skills and/or mining skills. If you find a hidden complex or a hidden asteroid belt, well, you've got to be able to do something with it.
Before training the probes, I recommend looking for cosmic anomalies. Go with your Kestrel to every planet in the system and scan from the planet for Cosmic Anomaly with the On-Board Scanner. Some are just combat sites but a fraction of them will give you commander spawns or expeditions. (When you find one of these, the terms will be self-explanatory.) |

Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2008.04.17 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nonabelian Gauge I've just come off my trial membership and I'm looking to jump into exploration. I have a bantam and kessie and I'm going to build a BlackOps for exploring. Since I'm going to be soloing mostly, what do you recommend for secondary ships (i.e. for handling ore, ratting) when exploring sites?
Thanks!
Wait, youre a newb, and you want to go from a frig to a black ops, and know what ship to use for mining, hauling and rating? Thats pretty much asking "how do i play eve". I would start reading a playing a bunch.
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Nonabelian Gauge
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Posted - 2008.04.17 13:43:00 -
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Calvert- I think you missed the point. I'm asking: given that I want to put effort into exploration, what ships do I need to pull this off? Obviously a ship designed for plunking out probes in lo-sec isn't going to be optimized for mining an asteroid you discover or running through a newly found complex. What additional ships do you need? Can I hit 75% of these on my own with a combat frigate and a mining frigate or do I need an Uber-BC-Of-Death just to get anything out of exploring my find? |

Bhodistafa
Gallente Amen Anera
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Posted - 2008.04.17 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Bhodistafa on 17/04/2008 17:56:14
Originally by: Nonabelian Gauge Calvert- I think you missed the point. I'm asking: given that I want to put effort into exploration, what ships do I need to pull this off? Obviously a ship designed for plunking out probes in lo-sec isn't going to be optimized for mining an asteroid you discover or running through a newly found complex. What additional ships do you need? Can I hit 75% of these on my own with a combat frigate and a mining frigate or do I need an Uber-BC-Of-Death just to get anything out of exploring my find?
If you plan to exlore in high sec to begin with then you can get away with a basic astrometrics frigate to locate the plex. As long as it's NOT an unknown you're looking to complete then you can clear the site with a frigate or a cruiser.
Skills: signal acquisition to 3 or 4 in order to reduce scan times, astrometrics 4 to use all the probe types, astrometrics pin-pointing and triangualtion to 4, these reduce deviation and increase accuracy. You can still explore whislt you train these but expect a lot of misses!
The profession skills: salvaging to 4 for the arch/sal sites, hacking to 4 for the radar. If you want grav sites then mining of some description 
Obviously, a lot of the skills I've mentioned have support skills too, but you should have the support skills done to fly a ship well anyways...nav 5, eng 5, mech 5 not to mention educational skills, a few bananas are cool too 
Did I mention support too many times!?
Never, ever fly a ship cos you can! Just because you have BS level 1 doesn't mean you should climb into a battleship...learn to walk first, or even crawl in some cases.
Hope this helps.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.17 19:53:00 -
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Quote: I have a bantam and kessie and I'm going to build a BlackOps for exploring.
Ok, jumping straight from frigs to battleships is about the biggest mistake you can make as a new EVE player.
The only mistake more dangerous is trying to jump straight into T2 battleships. |

Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2008.04.17 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nonabelian Gauge Calvert- I think you missed the point. I'm asking: given that I want to put effort into exploration, what ships do I need to pull this off? Obviously a ship designed for plunking out probes in lo-sec isn't going to be optimized for mining an asteroid you discover or running through a newly found complex. What additional ships do you need? Can I hit 75% of these on my own with a combat frigate and a mining frigate or do I need an Uber-BC-Of-Death just to get anything out of exploring my find?
Again, all of that sounds like "how do i play eve?" Go play some, and start reading. Start with the Exploration Guide. |

Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.04.17 23:02:00 -
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Nonabelian, judging by the responses here, I think you should leave Exploration for the jackasses and come over to the world of piracy. There is no group in EVE as unfriendly to newbies as the exploration group, to be honest. There's an in-game chat channel called 'Exploration' which features even ruder responses to newbie inquiries than this thread.
If, on the other hand, you were to post in the Crime & Punishment forum on this site, saying that you'd like to begin a career in the world of crime, and asking about ships and techniques, you'd get a warm welcome and a ton of helpful advice. I don't know why the explorers are this way, but it's a consistent pattern.
PS: You can be a ninja salvager, too. We use exploration technologies to perpetrate more sneaky activities.
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Bhodistafa
Gallente Amen Anera
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Posted - 2008.04.18 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Bhodistafa on 18/04/2008 07:54:18
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Nonabelian, judging by the responses here, I think you should leave Exploration for the jackasses and come over to the world of piracy. There is no group in EVE as unfriendly to newbies as the exploration group, to be honest. There's an in-game chat channel called 'Exploration' which features even ruder responses to newbie inquiries than this thread.
If, on the other hand, you were to post in the Crime & Punishment forum on this site, saying that you'd like to begin a career in the world of crime, and asking about ships and techniques, you'd get a warm welcome and a ton of helpful advice. I don't know why the explorers are this way, but it's a consistent pattern.
PS: You can be a ninja salvager, too. We use exploration technologies to perpetrate more sneaky activities.
*points to her post further up with the good advice*
What Joe-y boy fails to tell you is the number of a$$hats you'll meet in game that will not help or offer decent advice but childish smack talk cos they owned you in one hit. Even if you're new the 'helpful' advice you'll get IG will be all unreadable txt-speak.
Sure you can get help on the C&P forum, which can be entertainig btw. However, all of what you'll need for any aspect of eve will be in a stickied guide.
That said the whole idea of eve is to have fun... game on!
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Khwalik
Ghetto Kings
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Posted - 2008.04.18 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Nonabelian, judging by the responses here, I think you should leave Exploration for the jackasses and come over to the world of piracy. There is no group in EVE as unfriendly to newbies as the exploration group, to be honest. There's an in-game chat channel called 'Exploration' which features even ruder responses to newbie inquiries than this thread.
If, on the other hand, you were to post in the Crime & Punishment forum on this site, saying that you'd like to begin a career in the world of crime, and asking about ships and techniques, you'd get a warm welcome and a ton of helpful advice. I don't know why the explorers are this way, but it's a consistent pattern.
PS: You can be a ninja salvager, too. We use exploration technologies to perpetrate more sneaky activities.
classic this needs to be added in MOTD on 'exploration' chan please. |

Bhodistafa
Gallente Amen Anera
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Posted - 2008.04.18 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Khwalik
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker [snips the tripe about explorers not being nice    ]
PS: You can be a ninja salvager, too. We use exploration technologies to perpetrate more sneaky activities.
classic this needs to be added in MOTD on 'exploration' chan please.
I ninja salvage too just for the $hits and giggles of it, it's not really piracy but a reasonable way to earn a living.
In a community of well over 50-60,000 players probably less than 20% read these forums so basing an assuption of unfriendliness on that along is silly, to be kind of course!
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2008.04.18 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Nonabelian, judging by the responses here, I think you should leave Exploration for the jackasses and come over to the world of piracy. There is no group in EVE as unfriendly to newbies as the exploration group, to be honest. There's an in-game chat channel called 'Exploration' which features even ruder responses to newbie inquiries than this thread.
If, on the other hand, you were to post in the Crime & Punishment forum on this site, saying that you'd like to begin a career in the world of crime, and asking about ships and techniques, you'd get a warm welcome and a ton of helpful advice. I don't know why the explorers are this way, but it's a consistent pattern.
PS: You can be a ninja salvager, too. We use exploration technologies to perpetrate more sneaky activities.
Read the guide. Dont see how difficult that is. The exploration channel is not a help channel.
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Self One
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Posted - 2008.04.18 21:17:00 -
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From my personnal experience in 0.0, the key for exploration is ... using 2 accounts.
You can do without but 2 accounts are just what exploration needs for scouting and exploring.
I made my money using : - 1 Buzzard fitted for probing / salvaging / hacking / analysing - 1 Dominix fitted for omnitanking of 90% of the encountered plexes
You can be more flexible using an ishtar probably, even if some plexes may be difficult to tank.
For "High End" plexes you need one logistic for your BS. For "EndGame" plexes let the corp gangs roll (and even Carriers in the most extreme plex).
Good luck. Be aware that exploration is not that difficult but requires attention and concentration. Sometimes you will lack some and there goes your ship ! So no too expensive fitting ...
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.04.18 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Calvert Read the guide. Dont see how difficult that is. The exploration channel is not a help channel.
See what I mean? Jackasses.
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Bhodistafa
Gallente Amen Anera
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Posted - 2008.04.19 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Jonathan Calvert Read the guide. Dont see how difficult that is. The exploration channel is not a help channel.
See what I mean? Jackasses.
One person does not make a plural.
Wow that's pretty deep since it's late and I've had a few drinkies.
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Bhodistafa
Gallente Amen Anera
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Posted - 2008.04.19 00:24:00 -
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starbreaker I've come to the absolute conclusion that you're a to$$er. No offense, but it seems to be the truth of the issue.
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starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.04.19 03:15:00 -
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please specify JOE starbreaker :P
anyways, for exploring in high security you'll be fine on your own and train as you go. It will get easier with time.
for lower security i highly recommend some corpmates to help out with specific roles. It'll be more difficult and time consuming if you try to train for everything.
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Bhodistafa
Gallente Amen Anera
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Posted - 2008.04.19 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: starbreaker please specify JOE starbreaker :P
anyways, for exploring in high security you'll be fine on your own and train as you go. It will get easier with time.
for lower security i highly recommend some corpmates to help out with specific roles. It'll be more difficult and time consuming if you try to train for everything.
Hey Joe I've just noticed a Suzi Stormbringer on these forums. You guys would make an excellant couple...Joe Starbreaker and Suzi Stormbringer the names just roll off the tongue perfectly!  |

Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.04.19 22:13:00 -
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Seriously if you don't believe me, log into the 'exploration' channel and ask a question. |

SheriffFruitfly
Caldari FlyinPenguin Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.04.19 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Jonathan Calvert Read the guide. Dont see how difficult that is. The exploration channel is not a help channel.
See what I mean? Jackasses.
rtfg.
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Marcus Xavier
Minmatar Xavier Institute for Higher Learning
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Posted - 2008.04.20 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Xavier on 20/04/2008 03:20:46
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Seriously if you don't believe me, log into the 'exploration' channel and ask a question that's already answered in the Guide.
Allow me to make a slight correction. The Guide was written to eliminate the "what scan probes do I use to find [insert site type]?" or "Should I drop a probe near a gate?" questions from the channel. After answering these and many other basic questions several times a day, you will understand why folks just say, "Read the frackin Guide".
Folks are pretty helpful, otherwise.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.04.20 17:29:00 -
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You guys are hilarious. There are guides to piracy and a lot of other things, too. They aren't used as excuses to tell newbies to go to hell.
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