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Shemaul
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Shemaul on 17/04/2008 15:07:19
No complain, no accusation, i just need an answer to make some clouds on my mind to go away.
A- Problem: Shuttles create problems with tritanium prices and refining.
B- Possible solutions:
1) Remove tritanium gained from refing a shuttle.
2) Eliminate shuttles from Stations.
C- Scenario: A bad guy hear this conversation keeping his hear close to the wall room where devs discuss about it (what a bad lamer guy!). The bad guy decide to buy all the shuttles he can before a proper solution will be introduced ingame (a risky bet!).
Ending:
The shuttles are one of the most usefull and used ships in EVE.
Shuttles are cheap and common in all the empire.
Everyone use shuttle and expect to find them in every station.
With solution 1 NOTHING in gameplay will change, it solve the tritanium problem fast and easy without harming the game of thousand players, more the bad guy made a risky lamer move without any prize in return.
With solution 2 the bad guy has chance to make billions (someone will keep buying shuttles if will find one at reasonable price 20k -30k 40k maybe), thousand of players has to change their gameplay about moving easy and fast across systems, a feature present in EVE since his beginning has changed making things worse.
NOW...
Of course i'm missing something very obvious, because Devs do not want that someone in game make billions so easily, and don't want to change a 5 years old feature in EVE that is so common between players.
I'm just so numb or stupid not to see the good reason.
SO...
Please someone will be so kind to explain me this CCP move and his good side, so i can see light again about this change?
I really wanna see it, maybe is in front of mi nose, and i'm just blind...
Help me and tell me your opinion: why this was the smarter and best way to solve the shuttle refining problem?
Tnx a lot for all the replies! |
Trinity Dusk
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:19:00 -
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I wish they would remove all the T1 items from NPCs. 
Player controlled market is just so much intresting even tho it does have some disadvantages.
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Conrad Rock
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:21:00 -
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read the other threads about it, it's explained and it's a good one
something that is used by so many people should be player built
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Cpt Hound
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:24:00 -
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Shuttles have not been in EVE since the beginning. |
Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Trinity Dusk
I wish they would remove all the T1 items from NPCs.
Definitely this. |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:25:00 -
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This thread is a little late.... |
Shemaul
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:26:00 -
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First 2 answers are good, but do not hit the points.
I do not read anywhere that this Devs move it's under any: "Going to make a better market" or "moving to a totally player controlled market" improvements.
More, it does not solve the incredible isk amount taht lamers gain if this change was known by someone of them before the patch.
I'm pretty sure (100%) that actual shuttles for sale in the market has not produced but previously bought from npc, and more at a price well far (and very higher) from their production cost. |
Shemaul
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Shemaul on 17/04/2008 15:31:50
Originally by: Haradgrim
This thread is a little late....
Sorry it's too late, but i'm writing this post now for 2 reason:
1) i tried find a good answer by myself and by replies from other post, but i did not find it.
2) i hear people screaming and laughing in local channel says: "i had 300 shuttles and i keep selling them at 200k! Great!"
Still need to know NOT if this is good for market or if it's good to remove t1 items, or if it's good to people who bought a shuttle BPO 4 years ago.
Just know why this was the best, smarter and quiet way to solve the shuttle problem related to refined tritanium, cause THIS (and not any other) was the problem mentioned by Devs. |
Alz Shado
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Trinity Dusk
I wish they would remove all the T1 items from NPCs.
Definitely this.
Definitely not this. Dropped loot plays a huge role in the economy, and if you think prices are insane now imagine if half the lowend mineral supply were to just disappear overnight. Now remove the primary income source for new pilots, and what you'll end up with is a bunch of new players essentially forced into mining barges as their first tech tree just to be able to support their PvP habit.
Refining shuttles for trit? That's nothing.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alz Shado
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Trinity Dusk
I wish they would remove all the T1 items from NPCs.
Definitely this.
Definitely not this. Dropped loot plays a huge role in the economy, and if you think prices are insane now imagine if half the lowend mineral supply were to just disappear overnight. Now remove the primary income source for new pilots, and what you'll end up with is a bunch of new players essentially forced into mining barges as their first tech tree just to be able to support their PvP habit.
Refining shuttles for trit? That's nothing.
They didn't mean dropped items, they meant items that are directly sold in NPC stations. (such as the shuttles, until recently ago)
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alz Shado
Definitely not this. Dropped loot plays a huge role in the economy, and if you think prices are insane now imagine if half the lowend mineral supply were to just disappear overnight. Now remove the primary income source for new pilots, and what you'll end up with is a bunch of new players essentially forced into mining barges as their first tech tree just to be able to support their PvP habit.
Refining shuttles for trit? That's nothing.
I wouldn't go so far as to remove ALL sources of loot other than player construction. However, I think that all unnamed T1 equipment should be manufactured and that NPCs should only drop named loot.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shemaul
Still need to know NOT if this is good for market or if it's good to remove t1 items, or if it's good to people who bought a shuttle BPO 4 years ago.
That BPO costs 50k ISK. It can be bought now. The 'old-player-gets-advantage' argument is moot.
Originally by: Shemaul
Just know why this was the best, smarter and quiet way to solve the shuttle problem related to refined tritanium, cause THIS (and not any other) was the problem mentioned by Devs.
Lots of small problems with player created goods also being sold by NPC's:
1. It takes business AWAY from the player market.
2. No free marked price setting.
3. Almost every shuttle produced will eventually get reprocessed, thus creating trit. That trit goes into the general 'pool', but could have been mined by miners instead. Thus selling them diminishes the mining profession.
Having player-buildable items (or items that can be reprocessed) not sold by NPC's is a good policy in general, since otherwise it'll not be player controlled.
I just hope CCP follow through on it for all such items, plus of.c. remove insurance which is just as bad for the player market (just in reverse as it creates a price floor for minerals)....
I don't understand all the whining about this issue either.... You can get a free ship everywhere, or fly in your pod. You now also have the option to buy a shuttle at MARKET price!
Whining about shuttles not being sold by NPC's is like whining over battleships not being sold by NPC's.....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 17/04/2008 15:56:12
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Alz Shado
Definitely not this. Dropped loot plays a huge role in the economy, and if you think prices are insane now imagine if half the lowend mineral supply were to just disappear overnight. Now remove the primary income source for new pilots, and what you'll end up with is a bunch of new players essentially forced into mining barges as their first tech tree just to be able to support their PvP habit.
Refining shuttles for trit? That's nothing.
I wouldn't go so far as to remove ALL sources of loot other than player construction. However, I think that all unnamed T1 equipment should be manufactured and that NPCs should only drop named loot.
NPC ships could also drop non-player producible items...
For example I thought it a great shame that CCP didn't replace a small part of the basic T1 NPC loot with the Nanite Compound they released earlier this year, instead of having it sold in stations.
Other things like the POS 'fuel' items could also replace other basic T1 items to some degree. Eventually as more of those types of items were introduced, NPC loot would be only named stuff and those.
This would mean an almost complete switch of minerals to come only from mining.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Faife
Blackrain Solutions
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.17 16:36:00 -
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It'd be great if mission rats started dropping shuttles.
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Thaylon Sen
The Boondock Saints
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Posted - 2008.04.17 17:32:00 -
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Solution 1 would have been better. I think at times everyone forgets that eve is a game.
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.04.17 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Hound
Shuttles have not been in EVE since the beginning.
Wait till they hear we didnt use to have an Auto Pilot :o) |
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.04.17 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
I wouldn't go so far as to remove ALL sources of loot other than player construction. However, I think that all unnamed T1 equipment should be manufactured and that NPCs should only drop named loot.
/signed and /signed again. |
Doc Brown
Gallente
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.04.17 18:06:00 -
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If shuttles were creating a cap on tri prices, why not just raise the default price on shuttles sold through NPC stations? |
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