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Angelo Cossa
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:37:00 -
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Hi i am a new player on eve.
i have 2 months of playing and one of those were "spent" on vacation... ...i lost almost 20 days of training becouse of it and is very frustrating to see how many tech 2 modules i should be using right now that i will have to wait another month for it.
So i propose a vacation mode for eve, you should get it like you get neural remaps, once a year and when you activate it you should be able to queue skills up to 30 days.
This i think will solve the problem for people like me that like to go very far away from any computer when get vacation from work :) |

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:45:00 -
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Quote:i have 2 months of playing and one of those were "spent" on vacation...
Sounds like you should have planned a little better.
There are plenty of 20+ day skills out there if you are going on vacation.
The queue was put in place to stop the 3am alarm call to switch skills. As a person who began playing before the queue was introduced, I can tell you this... it is pretty damn perfect.
Enough to cover those times you need to be away from the game for a bit, but not long enough to mean people can setup a queue and not bother playing for months on end.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |

Angelo Cossa
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:52:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Quote:i have 2 months of playing and one of those were "spent" on vacation... Sounds like you should have planned a little better. There are plenty of 20+ day skills out there if you are going on vacation. The queue was put in place to stop the 3am alarm call to switch skills. As a person who began playing before the queue was introduced, I can tell you this... it is pretty damn perfect. Enough to cover those times you need to be away from the game for a bit, but not long enough to mean people can setup a queue and not bother playing for months on end.
Maybe for an old player there are,for new people there are not, the initial skills all train faster, i had at the time tittle lvl 4 skills, the max i could get was an 8 days skill (frigate 5), so i got 9 days training and lost the other 20.
And the fact that things were worse does not mean they should not get any better. :) |

mxzf
Shovel Bros
791
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:59:00 -
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*facepalm* this thread again? Someone posts this same thread every couple weeks and every single time it dies a horrible death. There are tons of arguments against it. Please search the forum and read all the responses before posting, it'll save you a lot of grief and trolling for posting the same bad idea yet again. |

Angelo Cossa
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:06:00 -
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mxzf wrote:*facepalm* this thread again? Someone posts this same thread every couple weeks and every single time it dies a horrible death. There are tons of arguments against it. Please search the forum and read all the responses before posting, it'll save you a lot of grief and trolling for posting the same bad idea yet again.
If you are refering to the "increase the skill queue" threads, i really don't see how a function that can be activated ONCE a year can be related to it, and i didin't found any threads trying to resolve a problem that people that work and have real life can have.
Anyways is a sugestion that tries to solve a problem that i had, and that new players can have, as it was alread said that old players can simply queue a 20 or more days training skill... |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:16:00 -
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Not saying your idea is bad but it won't happen. Sorry. I would honestly say that the correct resolution to your problem right now is to allow training changes to be made through EvE Gate. That is a lot more likely to happen at this juncture. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
249
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:27:00 -
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Angelo Cossa wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:Quote:i have 2 months of playing and one of those were "spent" on vacation... Sounds like you should have planned a little better. There are plenty of 20+ day skills out there if you are going on vacation. The queue was put in place to stop the 3am alarm call to switch skills. As a person who began playing before the queue was introduced, I can tell you this... it is pretty damn perfect. Enough to cover those times you need to be away from the game for a bit, but not long enough to mean people can setup a queue and not bother playing for months on end. Maybe for an old player there are,for new people there are not, the initial skills all train faster, i had at the time tittle lvl 4 skills, the max i could get was an 8 days skill (frigate 5), so i got 9 days training and lost the other 20. And the fact that things were worse does not mean they should not get any better. :)
this is why you PLAN. You spend the week before getting say, cruiser IV, then let cruiser V train while you're away.
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Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:34:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Angelo Cossa wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:Quote:i have 2 months of playing and one of those were "spent" on vacation... Sounds like you should have planned a little better. There are plenty of 20+ day skills out there if you are going on vacation. The queue was put in place to stop the 3am alarm call to switch skills. As a person who began playing before the queue was introduced, I can tell you this... it is pretty damn perfect. Enough to cover those times you need to be away from the game for a bit, but not long enough to mean people can setup a queue and not bother playing for months on end. Maybe for an old player there are,for new people there are not, the initial skills all train faster, i had at the time tittle lvl 4 skills, the max i could get was an 8 days skill (frigate 5), so i got 9 days training and lost the other 20. And the fact that things were worse does not mean they should not get any better. :) this is why you PLAN. You spend the week before getting say, cruiser IV, then let cruiser V train while you're away. Ah, the good old assumption that a player that goes on "vacation" from the game necessarily has advanced warning and can plan it ahead.
Or that all new players are magically blessed with the knowledge that it took the old hands months to pick up.
The current skill training queue is still broken for a significant minority of players, in ways that are beyond the control of those players to do anything about.
Quit whining that it's "good enough", because it clearly isn't or this thread wouldn't respawn every 20 minutes like a farmed belt rat. |

Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.02.28 19:33:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote: Ah, the good old assumption that a player that goes on "vacation" from the game necessarily has advanced warning and can plan it ahead.
OP says that they went on vacation from work, and decided to do something that took them "very far" from their PC. Sounds like it was planned with a fair bit of "advanced warning".
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Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.28 19:40:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Buzzy Warstl wrote: Ah, the good old assumption that a player that goes on "vacation" from the game necessarily has advanced warning and can plan it ahead.
OP says that they went on vacation from work, and decided to do something that took them "very far" from their PC. Sounds like it was planned with a fair bit of "advanced warning". After a single month of play. That falls under:
Buzzy Warstl wrote: Or that all new players are magically blessed with the knowledge that it took the old hands months to pick up.
The OP is the second case, not the first, obviously. |

Angelo Cossa
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.02.28 19:41:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Danika Princip wrote:
this is why you PLAN. You spend the week before getting say, cruiser IV, then let cruiser V train while you're away.
Ah, the good old assumption that a player that goes on "vacation" from the game necessarily has advanced warning and can plan it ahead. Or that all new players are magically blessed with the knowledge that it took the old hands months to pick up.
Very well said Buzzy, Danika are assuming that new players know many things they don't... and that they are willing to do all that planning.
2 weeks before my vacation i was planning to repair my mortorcicle, who i wold pay to take care of my dogs, what clothes i would take to a month motorcicle trip, what streets to get, vacine for yellow fever, passports, etc, etc, etc none of it related to EVE.
After all this is a game, this is suposed to be a fun thing, and in the only month i have of vacation from work i want just to click a switch, and go live my Life.
This is a sugestion that i think will be good for many people like me, that play it for fun, does not commit so many time of their life on it , it is not unbalancing or game changing feature. it is just a facilitator for the casual player that wants to go on vacation. |

Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:28:00 -
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Whether you have this vacation mode, or even just log into eve gate from a PC at some library or internet cafe, (use at own risk)...
It just makes sense that there be some mechanism in place to reduce the impact of unavoidable lost playtime on some level.
Planning ahead could be as simple as injecting in a bunch of skillbooks, so at least you were training something to justify paying for a game you were otherwise cut off from. |

Tidurious
The Dirty Rejects Scelus Sceleris.
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:51:00 -
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First off, this is a GAME. The skill queue works fine for nearly everyone. Yes, **** happens! I'm around 1.5 years old, and I've probably lost a month of training time due to forgetting about the game, being gone, etc. Not important!
You should do what other suggested here: if you know you're going to be gone, then use EVEmon to skill up for something that'll take a LONG time. I know that this summer, I'll be gone for a while when I get married. I'm planning on training something like Industrial Command Ships V (30-ish days), Advanced Spaceship Command V (20+ days), or something along those lines. However, if I mess up and don't get to? So what? After all, it's a GAME.
Stuff happens. Remember to not take it too seriously and move on. The training queue works perfectly for those that are playing the game. When you're on vacation, you're having WAY more fun than you would be playing EVE (unless your vacations SUCK) so why are you complaining about losing game time? Calm down, take a deep breath, and relax.
Did I mention that this is just a game? |

Katie Frost
Asgard. Exodus.
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:59:00 -
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Angelo Cossa wrote:2 weeks before my vacation i was planning to repair my mortorcicle, who i wold pay to take care of my dogs, what clothes i would take to a month motorcicle trip, what streets to get, vacine for yellow fever, passports, etc, etc, etc none of it related to EVE.
I think I saw a spot up there where you could have logged on to EvE and planned your skills - it would have taken you 10-15 minutes. If you have the care and the inclination to post a topic about a game change to suit your lifestyle, one would think that you would have had the forethought to ensure that your character had a lengthy skill training whilst you were away on a holiday.
On the other hand, whilst your proposal has some merit, the far easier/effective way to avoid this issue in the future is to allow for skills to be updated via EvE Gate as mentioned already.
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Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:54:00 -
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Tidurious wrote:First off, this is a GAME. The skill queue works fine for nearly everyone. Yes, **** happens! I'm around 1.5 years old, and I've probably lost a month of training time due to forgetting about the game, being gone, etc. Not important!
You should do what other suggested here: if you know you're going to be gone, then use EVEmon to skill up for something that'll take a LONG time. I know that this summer, I'll be gone for a while when I get married. I'm planning on training something like Industrial Command Ships V (30-ish days), Advanced Spaceship Command V (20+ days), or something along those lines. However, if I mess up and don't get to? So what? After all, it's a GAME.
Stuff happens. Remember to not take it too seriously and move on. The training queue works perfectly for those that are playing the game. When you're on vacation, you're having WAY more fun than you would be playing EVE (unless your vacations SUCK) so why are you complaining about losing game time? Calm down, take a deep breath, and relax.
Did I mention that this is just a game? Then why do people take suggesting changing the way the skill queue works in ways that would make the game more fair like someone excreted in their breakfast cereal?
Certainly somebody is taking the game too seriously. |

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:18:00 -
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Working as intended. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |

Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:38:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:Working as intended. Ah, you like unfair systems when you have the advantage.
I get it. |

Ares Renton
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
26
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Posted - 2012.02.29 03:15:00 -
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Honestly, there is no reason not to have a 30-day queue.
You paid your subscription, the game shouldn't hassle you.
P.S. the only people who disagree are pricks who've already trained up every important skill to level 4/5 and have month-long training times anyways. They are probably hoping that new players miss their queues, and other than this petty reason, there is no cause for them to object. |

Angelo Cossa
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.02.29 04:06:00 -
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Ares Renton wrote:Honestly, there is no reason not to have a 30-day queue.
You paid your subscription, the game shouldn't hassle you.
P.S. the only people who disagree are pricks who've already trained up every important skill to level 4/5 and have month-long training times anyways. They are probably hoping that new players miss their queues, and other than this petty reason, there is no cause for them to object.
You said what i was thinking, i had not seen a valid argument why not, just aswers like "you should have planned ahead", that's is a little easier when you know the game, what you want for you char, what skills enables what to make a long term plan... anyway how hard or not to make a plan is not the point here. The point is that a vacation mode is a easy and quick to implement solution for a problem i belive is not only mine.
The evegate solution is good too, i like it, and is much better the "plan ahead" to someone who does not know the game yet... but the ideia of vacation is not to be worry about when you need to go to a cyber cafe to change your skill. Anyway i think the 2 solutions are complementary. |

James Amril-Kesh
Interstellar Faction 21
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Posted - 2012.02.29 04:19:00 -
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I'm not opposed to a longer skill queue. There's no real reason against it. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.02.29 04:43:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Jack Carrigan wrote:Working as intended. Ah, you like unfair systems when you have the advantage. I get it.
The system isn't broken. If you can't remember to set a long-training skill during a period of absence, how is that unfair? Sounds like you should have yourself checked for Alzheimer's and play a game that requires less mental interaction. Maybe WoW or Hello Kitty Online are more your speed. And if you think that other players shouldn't have an edge over you, just go play a one-player game.
Oh, and for the record:
- Give me your stuff - Insert Character into Biomass Queue over  - Stop Crying - GO THE **** OUTSIDE FOR ONCE IN YOUR MISERABLE LIFE! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
319
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Posted - 2012.02.29 05:07:00 -
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For a newer player this is a disappointing thing to have to deal with I am sure. I'm not sure how often this impacts newer players though, been quite some time since I was one.
I would suggest, make a petition, appeal to an authority above a bunch of trolls in F&I forum. I suspect CCP has records of logon activity. You've go nothing to loose by asking. |

Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
26
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Posted - 2012.02.29 05:36:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:Buzzy Warstl wrote:Jack Carrigan wrote:Working as intended. Ah, you like unfair systems when you have the advantage. I get it. The system isn't broken. If you can't remember to set a long-training skill during a period of absence, how is that unfair? Sounds like you should have yourself checked for Alzheimer's and play a game that requires less mental interaction. Maybe WoW or Hello Kitty Online are more your speed. And if you think that other players shouldn't have an edge over you, just go play a one-player game. Oh, and for the record: - Give me your stuff - Insert Character into Biomass Queue over  - Stop Crying - GO THE **** OUTSIDE FOR ONCE IN YOUR MISERABLE LIFE! I guess the truth hurts.
Doesn't effect me one way or the other, I've got plenty of long skills to train, though some of the choices would be unnecessary cross training.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
435
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Posted - 2012.02.29 07:15:00 -
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Why not implement a larger skill que?
Because CCP wants people to PLAY their game. Not set a skill (or three) and forget about it (because you know people will).
I empathize with your position OP... I really do (when my computer "died" last year I lost two months of skill training). But making a system that gets (see: "forces") people to log in once in awhile encourages them to look around and see if there is any action to be had. Someone has to get the short end of the stick on this one... and in this case... you got it. Implement your system and you'll have less people actually logging in. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |

Mike Whiite
Progressive State
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Posted - 2012.02.29 08:16:00 -
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This is a problem you probably run in once, in case of computer crashes maybe once every 5 years.
It's a simple problem with a solution that hurts no one.
Make it a think like a Atribute remap, give one to a new player and give him the abblity to make 1 cue that can extend over 24 hours, with a max of 30 or something, draw back you can't change it untill you're back to the 24 skill cue.
problem solved everybody happy.
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James Amril-Kesh
Interstellar Faction 21
43
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:11:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Why not implement a larger skill que?
Because CCP wants people to PLAY their game. Not set a skill (or three) and forget about it (because you know people will).
I empathize with your position OP... I really do (when my computer "died" last year I lost two months of skill training). But making a system that gets (see: "forces") people to log in once in awhile encourages them to look around and see if there is any action to be had. Someone has to get the short end of the stick on this one... and in this case... you got it. Implement your system and you'll have less people actually logging in. So you're saying CCP needs to force people to update their skill queue in order to maintain its subscribership?
I want whatever you're smoking. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
251
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:40:00 -
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Ares Renton wrote:Honestly, there is no reason not to have a 30-day queue.
You paid your subscription, the game shouldn't hassle you.
P.S. the only people who disagree are pricks who've already trained up every important skill to level 4/5 and have month-long training times anyways. They are probably hoping that new players miss their queues, and other than this petty reason, there is no cause for them to object.
In other words,
HURRRRRRRR EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME IS A BITTERVET TROLL WHO LITERALLY HATES NEWBIES.
Right?
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James Amril-Kesh
Interstellar Faction 21
43
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Posted - 2012.02.29 11:33:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Ares Renton wrote:Honestly, there is no reason not to have a 30-day queue.
You paid your subscription, the game shouldn't hassle you.
P.S. the only people who disagree are pricks who've already trained up every important skill to level 4/5 and have month-long training times anyways. They are probably hoping that new players miss their queues, and other than this petty reason, there is no cause for them to object. In other words, HURRRRRRRR EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME IS A BITTERVET TROLL WHO LITERALLY HATES NEWBIES. Right?  How does making the skill queue longer break the game? Unless you can explain that, then I see no reason to oppose this. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |

Tinu Moorhsum
Royal Scientific Research Enterprise
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Posted - 2012.02.29 12:14:00 -
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Angelo Cossa wrote:[quote=Jint Hikaru]
Maybe for an old player there are,for new people there are not, the initial skills all train faster, i had at the time tittle lvl 4 skills, the max i could get was an 8 days skill (frigate 5), so i got 9 days training and lost the other 20.
Starting with a noob character it only takes about 4 or 5 days to get your first cruiser skill to level IV. After that use your cruiser-V skill as your "vacation skill" until it's done and then do the same again with another skill.
It's all about planning ahead. Surely you know more than 4 days in advance if you're going on vacation or not...?!?
The current queue is sufficient, even for new characters.
T- |

Angelo Cossa
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.02.29 13:25:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:For a newer player this is a disappointing thing to have to deal with I am sure. I'm not sure how often this impacts newer players though, been quite some time since I was one.
I would suggest, make a petition, appeal to an authority above a bunch of trolls in F&I forum. I suspect CCP has records of logon activity. You've go nothing to loose by asking.
This was the first thing i did, the aswer was something like "this is a really,really good ideia, i will send to the developers, i sugest you post it in the foruns too", this was what i did.
For the people who are arguing the CPP would never aument the skill queue becouse of this or that, what you are forgotting or don't reading att all is that it is nor a permanent increase of skill queue, it is a function that can be activated once a year like neural remaos. So the skill queue continues the way it is (be it good or bad). This is just to attend to a situation that normally occur once a year in peoples life (fortunate are the ones that get more than one month vacations a year in work).
For the "plan ahead" kind of aswer to a newbie that don't even know if train for cruiser 4 is what he wants right now i will not waste more time, they really forgot what is to be new in the game, have to learn the mechanics,have to learn all the things, what skill do what etc... |
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