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Kevrlet
Gallente
Knighthawk Light Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.19 00:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kevrlet on 19/04/2008 00:56:46
 Originally by: P6tu
Originally by: Kevrlet
First of all...if you lost a Navy Mega to Serp. Extravaganza you really shouldn't be flying it. Or have a really crappy fit. Or both.
That said, you can try to petition it, but the chances are very slim you'll get your ship back. Reimbursement petitions almost always result in 'server logs showed nothing'.
It is a good ship and it is hard to lose it.But since I wasn't able to move,activate modules or do anything, it just got slowly taken down.
But the thing is - do you have any experience with losing a ship in a mission due to a lag?
Actually no, because I have the foresight to activate my tank BEFORE warping into the mission zone. And I don't take missions I can't tank forever (which, by the way, is every mission my agent hands out). And I mission in the Motsu area, so you can't blame lack of lag for me not getting lag killed ;)
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.19 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: P6tu
But doesn't this result in massive logging in and out?Then everyone who notices that he/she isn't capable of taking fire to log out and then back in.
Why would you do that when you can simply warp out normally from the mission area, rep up and then go back in?
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Adv Asteroid Mining and RD Sobaseki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.19 01:46:00 -
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Buy a new one.
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.19 02:05:00 -
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Because if you randomly lost it to suicide gankers you wouldn't be complaining (or would you?). Life ain't fair, buddy.
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Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.04.19 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: P6tu
Yesterday I was doing lvl4 Serpentis Extravaganza in Dodixie and I entered the final (third) pocket.Then follows this:
Incoming transmission - I was able to hover my mouse to the "Close" button,click - everything froze.
...a minute or two there was nothing,totally frozen...
Transmission window closed - saw how my shield,armor and hull went within a second and a notification came that my ship has lost it's control.
Followed by a 5-10 second "frozen" status - I saw my Navy Megathrons wreck and I was in a pod.
Now,I am wondering.Ofcourse I cursed the lag and the loss of my ship to my friends and then they told me that I can petition it.So I did.But how big is the chanche that I could have my ship back and if I do,do I get it with all the rigs and modules (I had best named and few T2 modules)?
Does anyone have any experience on that and how long does this petition take time and so on?I've lost my BS's before,can they track those too?I didn't know earlier that this is an option.
PS! Is the only cure,for preventing this kind of things,to move to another agent (low quality and etc.)?
PS! And I have to mention that the loss was about 700.000.000 ISK...
CCP will return your ship to the nearest station most likely - probably where u keep your supplies in Dodixie - once they answer the petetion. CCP will not remburst ships if its at the players fault - but since you were in Dodixie and lag is the painfully obvouis reason of your loss, you shouldn't have to worry about them not giving your ship back.
However - modules that were on the ship will not be covered. GM's will only spawn your ship and the destroyed modules. Any insurance you were paid will also be deducted from your wallet, and your insurance on your ship will be restored the way it was before the loss.
But yea - last time i lost a ship in this manner the GM's said it was 'policy' that modules that are not destroyed will not be restored - since you can retrieve those yourself.
For future missions, my advice is to not mission in Dodixie during the weekends - thats a really bad idea and you will have to do this petition crap over and over.
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P6tu
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Posted - 2008.04.19 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: HYT gangster
lol the problem as i see it is you bought a navy megathron to do mission's when for that same amount of money you could have done some seroius pvping.
buying expensive ship's to do missions 0.3 seconds faster is pointless.
if it dose the job its good enuff.
0.3 secons is a bit overrated or however you say.You can do it much more faster and I'm a mission runner and I want to improve my self even it is just that "0.3" seconds.It could have been any other ship too but then the question would still remain.Just that ~650m ISK is a sum worth working on the problem(s).
Originally by: Rashmika Clavain
Yup I always freeze at the jump in point on the final room of Serp Extravaganza. To be honest, I've never /bugged and if noone else has CCP might not even know it's a problem 
Then it definetly has to be told to CCP after I get the answer about my ship petition.As it turns out,the mission it self may also be a problem,not just only the lag.
Originally by: Kevrlet
Edited by: Kevrlet on 19/04/2008 00:56:46
Originally by: P6tu
Originally by: Kevrlet
First of all...if you lost a Navy Mega to Serp. Extravaganza you really shouldn't be flying it. Or have a really crappy fit. Or both.
That said, you can try to petition it, but the chances are very slim you'll get your ship back. Reimbursement petitions almost always result in 'server logs showed nothing'.
It is a good ship and it is hard to lose it.But since I wasn't able to move,activate modules or do anything, it just got slowly taken down.
But the thing is - do you have any experience with losing a ship in a mission due to a lag?
Actually no, because I have the foresight to activate my tank BEFORE warping into the mission zone. And I don't take missions I can't tank forever (which, by the way, is every mission my agent hands out). And I mission in the Motsu area, so you can't blame lack of lag for me not getting lag killed ;)
Well,I don't know if it is only me but Serpentis is one of the easiest factions to tank and they rarely take down my shield (and I don't have any shield upgrade modules - Gallente ship) so I don't turn on my hardeners and reppers for nothing.If I know that I'm going to have to turn on the modules and/or if my shield is almost down,then yes,if I know that I'm going to be instalocked and shot at,then again I turn on my tanking modules on before entering.
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: P6tu
But doesn't this result in massive logging in and out?Then everyone who notices that he/she isn't capable of taking fire to log out and then back in.
Why would you do that when you can simply warp out normally from the mission area, rep up and then go back in?
Point taken.
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Buy a new one.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2008.04.19 09:36:00 -
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Try to fit it with a perma rep next time, might have made a difference.
Just make sure you have enough cap recharge to have 1 repper running forever, just switch it on when you undock and leave it running. |
P6tu
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Posted - 2008.04.19 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sirial Soulfly
Try to fit it with a perma rep next time, might have made a difference.
Just make sure you have enough cap recharge to have 1 repper running forever, just switch it on when you undock and leave it running.
Only if I would have been able to turn the reppers and hardeners on (conclusion: turn on your repper(s) and hardeners BEFORE you jump in to the middle of "bad" ships).
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Scout McAlt
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Posted - 2008.04.19 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Scout McAlt on 19/04/2008 09:58:30
Edited by: Scout McAlt on 19/04/2008 09:57:20
Originally by: P6tu
Originally by: Sirial Soulfly
Try to fit it with a perma rep next time, might have made a difference.
Just make sure you have enough cap recharge to have 1 repper running forever, just switch it on when you undock and leave it running.
Only if I would have been able to turn the reppers and hardeners on (conclusion: turn on your repper(s) and hardeners BEFORE you jump in to the middle of "bad" ships).
Lesson to learn, having a perma setup activated before you warp to mission so you can get through random crash/disconnects etc. Should be force of habit. As soon as you undock or jump in system, as soon as you select warp, activate your permatank because otherwise you will forget or eventually lose a ship if ccp/your ISp croaks while you are scrambled.
Once the permasetup kept me alive after a minute of getting heavy lag. Turns out it was my ISP that screwed up for a couple of mins, but yeah, you cannot control your isp either so perma setups are the way forward :) Good luck and hopefully that will be your last shiploss :) |
Manic Smile
Altruism.
Malice.
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Posted - 2008.04.19 13:16:00 -
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make your tank permarun, that's what I do and it's saved me lost of iskies
even if it's slower then say a Raven
If you are armor tank stick to dual dmg type rats...ala Kin/Th
If you are in a Drake or a NH you can do any mission knowing the fit and permatank
I've tanked 30+ BSs in like the Assault and managed to get the NH passive tank down into the high 30s.
Try to get the DPS soak in the 1200 range on the primary damage and you should be ok.
And yes active hards and reps before going in...I actually desynced onces with my Drake and lived. |
Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.04.19 14:16:00 -
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Lag can be quite annoying and sometimes deadly. I was doing a gurista extrav the other day and the game started lagging on me so that my commands were delayed by almost 50-60 seconds. I got to watch my hammerhead II's fly around, ignoring my commands, and kill webifier after webifier, triggering all sorts of spawns. 
I escaped without harm, but it was very annoying and made a mess of my mission. With only 130 people in that system at the time, it's fairly sad that there's that much lag going on server-side (imo).
Good luck with your petition.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2008.04.19 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: P6tu
Yesterday I was doing lvl4 Serpentis Extravaganza in Dodixie and I entered the final (third) pocket.Then follows this:
Incoming transmission - I was able to hover my mouse to the "Close" button,click - everything froze.
...a minute or two there was nothing,totally frozen...
Transmission window closed - saw how my shield,armor and hull went within a second and a notification came that my ship has lost it's control.
Are you sure it wasn't a Concord warning?
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.04.19 14:50:00 -
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You're probably not going to get your ship back.
And you should really consider moving out of the constellation and finding another less used agent, or it will happen again.
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fuze
Gallente
InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.04.19 15:25:00 -
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This discussion is rather old but how long do peeps have to whine for CCP to seed more agents.
Guess they rather think up some new stuff that require more skills to train and causes more boring grinding. |
P6tu
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Posted - 2008.04.19 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: P6tu on 19/04/2008 22:04:30
Edited by: P6tu on 19/04/2008 22:03:24
Originally by: Tarron Sarek
Originally by: P6tu
Yesterday I was doing lvl4 Serpentis Extravaganza in Dodixie and I entered the final (third) pocket.Then follows this:
Incoming transmission - I was able to hover my mouse to the "Close" button,click - everything froze.
...a minute or two there was nothing,totally frozen...
Transmission window closed - saw how my shield,armor and hull went within a second and a notification came that my ship has lost it's control.
Are you sure it wasn't a Concord warning?
Yes.100% and when you get Concord,you'll see the agression status timer.
Originally by: Shadowsword
You're probably not going to get your ship back.
And you should really consider moving out of the constellation and finding another less used agent, or it will happen again.
I already looked up a new agent.Not as qualified as my former agent and not even in the same corp (I feel a bit bad of those LP's I had) but there where about 10 people in local at 22.00 EVE time in that solarsystem.
Originally by: fuze
This discussion is rather old but how long do peeps have to whine for CCP to seed more agents.
Guess they rather think up some new stuff that require more skills to train and causes more boring grinding.
They did the lvl5 agents and there are a lot of lvl4 good quality agents,but they all are in low-sec and not many people want to risk their ships and clones in deepspace.I'd be gald to do missions there but there is a lot to do because of it.I would have to join in a corp - most of the time guard a gate and watch out for enemies,risk the ship while doing missions down there because there are people who scan out your mission places and then take you down (PvP setup differs a lot from PvE setup and therefor is an easy prey for PvP players).I've found some places where I could run missions and I know there aren't much people down there but then are problems by getting yourself those modules,ships,ammo if needed and skillbooks and so on.I'd have to travel through many gatecamps to get somewhere where I could purchase myself needed stuff.
I hope I made my point clear on that deepspace missioning.I like missioning a lot and I am not atracted to PvP not even a bit.Standings with different factions is a much bigger challenge to me.You don't see a lot of people with 8.0+ faction standing.I'm not one of them but I'm sure aiming to get there.
OK,got myself bit carried away...Damn unsecure deepspace... |
ElCholo
Minmatar
The SMITE Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.04.19 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: ElCholo on 19/04/2008 22:19:39
Petition it, you may get lucky.
Ive found CCP tends to be more generous with pve reimbursements than pvp ones.
keep in mind that if ccp discovers any modules activated in logs - ya know, like guns, petition denied.
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P6tu
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Posted - 2008.04.19 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: ElCholo
Edited by: ElCholo on 19/04/2008 22:19:39
Petition it, you may get lucky.
Ive found CCP tends to be more generous with pve reimbursements than pvp ones.
keep in mind that if ccp discovers any modules activated in logs - ya know, like guns, petition denied.
I didn't have even activated hardeners...I wasn't able to activate anything.And when I finally was,it went too quick that I even couldn't hover my mouse on the reppers and suddenly I was in a capsule...I have petitioned already.Did on the same day at the same time when it happened.Now I'm only wondering that how long does it take to process the petiton and will my ship be replaced.about 50 hours and no answer yet.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.04.19 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: HYT gangster
lol the problem as i see it is you bought a navy megathron to do mission's when for that same amount of money you could have done some seroius pvping.
buying expensive ship's to do missions 0.3 seconds faster is pointless.
Carebears don't understand that ships are ultimately there to fight and eventually explode someday, so they're always shocked when their ships do in fact explode.
Fact of the matter is that ships are expendable.
I've lost ships to lag and so on before, it sucks but it happens.
If anything, more ships should die in L4 missions so people get a better grasp of the fact ships are expendeable, and if a 700M ship gives you 5% over a 150M ship, it just might not be worth it if it fails to survive to make back that 550M pricetag difference... 
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Thorradin
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.19 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Thorradin on 19/04/2008 22:42:40
edit: forget it, Fifth Troll isn't worth it.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.19 22:49:00 -
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If your screen froze its not server side lag, but rather clientside lag from all the NPCs appearing(grid load) and you probably had your settings way too high.
Thus you will not get reimbursed. In the future, turn off effects and zoom out if your PC is not able to handle it.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.04.19 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Boz Well on 19/04/2008 23:15:36
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: HYT gangster
lol the problem as i see it is you bought a navy megathron to do mission's when for that same amount of money you could have done some seroius pvping.
buying expensive ship's to do missions 0.3 seconds faster is pointless.
Carebears don't understand that ships are ultimately there to fight and eventually explode someday, so they're always shocked when their ships do in fact explode.
Fact of the matter is that ships are expendable.
I've lost ships to lag and so on before, it sucks but it happens.
If anything, more ships should die in L4 missions so people get a better grasp of the fact ships are expendeable, and if a 700M ship gives you 5% over a 150M ship, it just might not be worth it if it fails to survive to make back that 550M pricetag difference...
Pretty sure the OP realizes that ships are expendable. He didn't slash his wrists in RL because he thought he lost the only virtual space ship he could ever own (oh noes  ). He petitioned it because the game crapped out on him and cost him days of mission grinding in ISK.
It doesn't follow that just because a ship can be destroyed and replaced that he should just roll over when the server craps out and costs him several hundred million isk. While mission hubs can be laggy, they usually aren't that bad and I think there's at least an argument that the servers should be able to handle the game well enough so that he could at least turn his hardeners/etc. Either way, I'd give the petition a shot and at least make the argument for reimbursement.
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P6tu
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: HYT gangster
lol the problem as i see it is you bought a navy megathron to do mission's when for that same amount of money you could have done some seroius pvping.
buying expensive ship's to do missions 0.3 seconds faster is pointless.
Carebears don't understand that ships are ultimately there to fight and eventually explode someday, so they're always shocked when their ships do in fact explode.
Fact of the matter is that ships are expendable.
I've lost ships to lag and so on before, it sucks but it happens.
If anything, more ships should die in L4 missions so people get a better grasp of the fact ships are expendeable, and if a 700M ship gives you 5% over a 150M ship, it just might not be worth it if it fails to survive to make back that 550M pricetag difference...
First of all,I've lost ships numerous times.I'm not shocked because of losing my ship (okay a bit,yes).When I took my Navythron out I always knew that there is a chance to get rid of it.But I wasn't prepared to lose it IN A MISSION.That ship should have been a very tough nut to ***** in missions.There always is the possibility to get killed in a mission,yes,but I'm aware of those (thanks to available mission guidlines and to the author of those).I'd say that it is was the luxury to use a Navythron in a missions.I had the ISK to get one and fit it so why shouldn't I use it?Ships are ment to be used,not stored in hangar.And if there is a ship that would be better than the former one,it is a win for me.I already mentioned something similar to this.I'm a missionrunner and I'd do anything to be able to complete them faster (preferably alone).
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P6tu
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
If your screen froze its not server side lag, but rather clientside lag from all the NPCs appearing(grid load) and you probably had your settings way too high.
Thus you will not get reimbursed. In the future, turn off effects and zoom out if your PC is not able to handle it.
There should be more people like you.It didn't froze completely.I was able to move my mouse around and as I told,I was able to Alt+Tab to.Some point I tought that it was a PC side problem so I checked if I could Alt+Tab and so I did.The NPC's didn't appeare - they were there at the first place,I think.Altough there is a point what you are saying.Similar things have happened before but in those sircumstances it freezes for a second or two.Usually it happens when there is a massive respawn.And if it is a client side problem,then shouldn't it always happen?It wasn't the first time I did the mission and it hasn't done that before.Not in that mission atleast.
PS! I have lot of my effects turned off anyway for better perfomance and I don't use premium graphics.I have only 512 RAM.
PS! Just in case when somebody wants to make a state reffering my PC then here are my PC-s stats:
XP Home
512 RAM (~600Mhz)
40GB free discspace
246MB GeForce GO 7300 graphics card
Intel Pentium 1,8Ghz
10MB internet connection
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P6tu
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: P6tu on 20/04/2008 07:42:42
Edited by: P6tu on 20/04/2008 07:41:33
Originally by: Boz Well
Edited by: Boz Well on 19/04/2008 23:15:36Pretty sure the OP realizes that ships are expendable. He didn't slash his wrists in RL because he thought he lost the only virtual space ship he could ever own (oh noes ). He petitioned it because the game crapped out on him and cost him days of mission grinding in ISK.
It doesn't follow that just because a ship can be destroyed and replaced that he should just roll over when the server craps out and costs him several hundred million isk. While mission hubs can be laggy, they usually aren't that bad and I think there's at least an argument that the servers should be able to handle the game well enough so that he could at least turn his hardeners/etc. Either way, I'd give the petition a shot and at least make the argument for reimbursement.
Thank you.I could have read your post before I quoted the troller...I've recieved EVE-mails related to that mission lagging and one of them stated that there where only 130 people in local when similar thing happened (in my event there were more than 200 in local).I've noticed on my side too that when there are more than 100 people in local (wich isn't rare novadays) the system becomes with delays (in station managment,mining etc.) so I'm not so sure that servers can take care of that - maybe handle the clients but not take care of them.
That reminds me.CCP,that spawning of more lvl4 agents (with good quality :P) would be a very good solution to this problem.Maybe EVE team should start working on that to remove the stress on mission hub servers.You already have those market hubs wich are hard to compensate.If this thing isn't going to be taken care soon,the mission hubs will become similar.As more people join,the more people get to these agents and the more people go to those mission hubs.
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