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Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.19 00:00:00 - [31] Originally by: Arithron I AM truly independant...and my sex is irrelevant to the task of representing player issues on the CSM! Good play of the 'female' card though ;) A one-player-corp is still an eviiiiil powerhungry corp! Just kidding, of course. Good luck in the elections! --- Consider voting for me in the CSM elections. I invite you to take a look at the campaign website for issues and further information. Visit our Campaign Website
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.19 00:17:00 - [32] Bah. I think this whole election thing is wrong, but not voting would remove my right to object to the ones that made it in (as someone stated, lots of goonies... guess what happens). Thing is, there is only one viable choice and having to choose from 1 isn't exactly a healthy way of doing things. I will (have to) vote but the choices are a bit limited.
Latex Underwear	Posted - 2008.04.19 00:26:00 - [33] Edited by: Latex Underwear on 19/04/2008 00:27:57 Originally by: Tarminic And so it begins... Originally by: Cailais 6 Goonswarm. The future looks bleak. C. 5000 members / 6 candidates = 800 votes per candidate. They won't win anything with those numbers, honestly. Check your math. :) 200,000 accounts (roughly) Probably less than 20% even know there is an EvE-O but we'll assume 20% of them know about the CSM. So there are 40,000 potential voters. Looking at RL voter turnout, for important things like provincial and federal government, and you're under 50%. By-elections and municiple elections hover around 40%. This is even less important so will probably have an even lower turnout. But we'll use 50% for this exercise. So 20,000 votes. There are 28 candidates with an average of 714 votes available per candidate. Goons have a history of mobilising their members so, realistically, that 5000 member power block with 6 candidates doesn't look so unlikely anymore. These numbers obviously assume that all 200,000 accounts represent active players - when we all know that many of those are in hibernation; they're paid up but not played so the actual base membership is lower driving the weight of the goon vote up. One could argue that more than 20% of the population of EvE reads the forums - but look at your own alliances and I'm sure you'll agree that 20% is generous.
Daveydweeb Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.19 00:37:00 - [34] Quote: Goons have a history of mobilising their members so, realistically, that 5000 member power block with 6 candidates doesn't look so unlikely anymore. Apparently you haven't noticed the severe participation problems that have been putting Goonswarm on the back foot against BoB. :3
Raymund DeTyre	Posted - 2008.04.19 03:43:00 - [35] Edited by: Raymund DeTyre on 19/04/2008 03:44:01 Originally by: Xenofur interestingly enough the only candidate who seems to have the brains, the knowledge how to act in a professional environment and also the technical knowledge is a goon. I might agree with that and even bring myself to vote for a Goon if they showed they in fact had the brains to do the job. However, since the onset of thier Jihad I WILL NOT be voting for any Goonswarm, regardless of thier handle on the issues, and would recommend that no one else do either. If they cared that much for this game or the community they wouldn't have started thier idiotic campaign to begin with.
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.19 03:55:00 - [36] Missing the only stat that matters, what percentage of the EVE population voted?
Dannie Trejo	Posted - 2008.04.19 04:21:00 - [37] Edited by: Dannie Trejo on 19/04/2008 04:23:19 Edited by: Dannie Trejo on 19/04/2008 04:21:03 Originally by: Raymund DeTyre Edited by: Raymund DeTyre on 19/04/2008 03:53:49 Edited by: Raymund DeTyre on 19/04/2008 03:44:01 Originally by: Xenofur interestingly enough the only candidate who seems to have the brains, the knowledge how to act in a professional environment and also the technical knowledge is a goon. I might agree with that and even bring myself to vote for a Goon if they showed they in fact had the brains to do the job. However, since the onset of thier Jihad I WILL NOT be voting for any Goonswarm, regardless of thier handle on the issues, and would recommend that no one else do either. If they cared that much for this game or the community they wouldn't have started thier campaign to begin with. I don't believe that any of the candidates have actually participated in JihadSwarm -- you could double-check this on the JS killboard, since they replace the character names with their Goonfleet forum names to make tracking easier. Now, as far as refusing to vote for someone because of their affiliation regardless of their skills or knowledge, I think you need to justify that position. You're telling us that you'd rather the CSM be a council of fools than the democratic (read: representative and meritocratic) group that CCP are aiming for. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate why any of the Goonswarm candidates would be harmful to the CSM or the playerbase. EDIT: fffff, wrong character. Full disclosure: this is Daveydweeb's alt.
D'ceet Shadows of the Dead Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.04.19 04:31:00 - [38] Since i am unable to participate in this CSM election - due to my inability to secure a passport in time, i hereby take this time to back the following candidates, failing one the other will take the place (in no particular order) Jade Constantine Lavista Vista Noghri ViR(assuming he gives me my battleship ;P) Daveydweeb - anyone who wants to reduce tedious pos warfare automatically gets on this list Official D'ceet CSM Page.
Dannie Trejo	Posted - 2008.04.19 04:37:00 - [39] Originally by: D'ceet Daveydweeb - anyone who wants to reduce tedious pos warfare automatically gets on this list What can I say, I'm sick of setting up deathstars for six hours at a time.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.19 05:59:00 - [40] VOTE FOR OZ!!! Oz is a truly dedicated and gifted... Okay, Oz, if you want me to say more then I need a check with more zeros, m8. - Tortuga: Lacrimosa

Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.19 06:34:00 - [41] hahaha, cheers sel ---------------------- CSM 08 Blog \| 1st Campaign Vid
Noghri ViR GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.19 07:33:00 - [42] Edited by: Noghri ViR on 19/04/2008 07:37:40 Originally by: D'ceet Since i am unable to participate in this CSM election - due to my inability to secure a passport in time, i hereby take this time to back the following candidates, failing one the other will take the place (in no particular order) Jade Constantine Lavista Vista Noghri ViR(assuming he gives me my battleship ;P) Daveydweeb - anyone who wants to reduce tedious pos warfare automatically gets on this list Oh I was planning on a carrier in every hanger. My slogan is "A Chicken in Every Pot. A carrier in every hangar bay" It's a play on Herbert Hoover's campagin slogan in 1928. "A Chicken in Every Pot. A car in every garage" As soon as I get done with the proofreading I'll have my issues up at my campaign website: http://noghri08.wordpress.com/ My #1 issue is to get CCP to address lag. #2 figure out a better alternative to POS warfare. #3 getting Titans back to their original idea of mobile outpost instead of giant I win buttons that they currently are. then various other issues I'll have posted on the site. But like I said, lag is the big priority. The need for speed program was a joke. I'd really like to have CCP get a thrid party consultant company in there to verify they have done every thing they should possibly be doing to get the most out of their hardware. I'm a HIPAA security officer for a health care company and I'm required to have third parties come in and test my work. It shows me what I'm doing wrong and what I can be doing better. There should be the same type of program established here. Vote Noghri ViR for CSM Campagin Website
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.19 07:39:00 - [43] Originally by: Xenofur interestingly enough the only candidate who seems to have the brains, the knowledge how to act in a professional environment and also the technical knowledge is a goon. Then you haven't informed yourself well enough on the other candidates. I think I easily meet all those criteria, being a game designer in real life, playing this game since 2003, and having a well above-average IQ, and I'm sure there are other candidates that meet your criteria as well. Read up on them. :) --- Consider voting for me in the CSM elections. I invite you to take a look at the campaign website for issues and further information. Visit our Campaign Website
THEHUNTER123 Minmatar Unquestionable Prosperity	Posted - 2008.04.19 08:32:00 - [44] right im selling my vote any1 wanna buy it 1 ISK
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2008.04.19 08:43:00 - [45] Where is all the compiled personal information on each candidate I want to know whether I'm voting for a 18 year old layabout student, a 25 year old geek in a deadend job or a 42 year old Company CEO recently divorced by his cheating younger wife who not only took the kids, house & money but also the dog We the playerbase need to know the real life state of mind of the candidates before entrusting them with our EVE futures MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
D'ceet Shadows of the Dead Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.04.19 08:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Noghri ViR Edited by: Noghri ViR on 19/04/2008 07:37:40 Oh I was planning on a carrier in every hanger. My slogan is "A Chicken in Every Pot. A carrier in every hangar bay" It's a play on Herbert Hoover's campagin slogan in 1928. "A Chicken in Every Pot. A car in every garage" ill take the carrier then =P Originally by: Noghri ViR My #1 issue is to get CCP to address lag. you have my vote Originally by: Noghri ViR #2 figure out a better alternative to POS warfare. you have my vote times two Originally by: Noghri ViR #3 getting Titans back to their original idea of mobile outpost instead of giant I win buttons that they currently are. can i just sell you my soul now?
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.19 09:04:00 - [47] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Xenofur interestingly enough the only candidate who seems to have the brains, the knowledge how to act in a professional environment and also the technical knowledge is a goon. Then you haven't informed yourself well enough on the other candidates. I think I easily meet all those criteria, being a game designer in real life, playing this game since 2003, and having a well above-average IQ, and I'm sure there are other candidates that meet your criteria as well. Read up on them. :) That is not the problem, the problem is trust. - can I trust this person to not be biased - can I trust this person to be able to discuss things without throwing a fit - can I trust this person to be logical and level headed - can I trust this person NOT to swamp each and any discussion into a bureaucracy of just hollow words where the discussion ends in how rule 37 sub D interferes with rule 82 sub C, and how there should be formed a committee to find out how to deal with that. - can I trust this person to be active, to have prescence - can I trust this person not to want to "ruin the game" as their corp/alliance history suggests Ideally, I'd vote for Verone since his history has shown to be an ideal candidate and... he HAS a history. I'm looking for someone who has shown to be level headed and not be afraid to peel away the political bullsh!t, drama, bias and nonsense to come down to the actual stuff that matters. Your IQ, technical background or the fact that you're a game designer has nothing to do with that.
Larice Minmatar Seven Provinces	Posted - 2008.04.19 09:20:00 - [48] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Only 3 females? Noone else truly independant, as in not belonging to some powerhungry corp? Looks like I have the home-field advantage! 100% Female 100% Independant 100% Dedicated to YOU! sexy pose Hmm. Interesting. One thing bothers me though..... the name. Couldn't you have come up with something a little easier? Ankie perhaps?
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.19 09:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Tzar'rim That is not the problem, the problem is trust. - can I trust this person to not be biased - can I trust this person to be able to discuss things without throwing a fit - can I trust this person to be logical and level headed - can I trust this person NOT to swamp each and any discussion into a bureaucracy of just hollow words where the discussion ends in how rule 37 sub D interferes with rule 82 sub C, and how there should be formed a committee to find out how to deal with that. - can I trust this person to be active, to have prescence - can I trust this person not to want to "ruin the game" as their corp/alliance history suggests Ideally, I'd vote for Verone since his history has shown to be an ideal candidate and... he HAS a history. I'm looking for someone who has shown to be level headed and not be afraid to peel away the political bullsh!t, drama, bias and nonsense to come down to the actual stuff that matters. Your IQ, technical background or the fact that you're a game designer has nothing to do with that. I see your point. This is a problem inherent with the internet, you cannot see the person on the other side, and voice and body language are important if you want to know what type of person you're dealing with, and you only get the information that the candidates want you to know, as you cannot see or visit the person to gather anything yourself. As far as I know, there are some debates planned soon, so you can get a little taste of what the candidates are like, how they present their viewpoints, and how they handle discussions. Originally by: Larice Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Only 3 females? Noone else truly independant, as in not belonging to some powerhungry corp? Looks like I have the home-field advantage! 100% Female 100% Independant 100% Dedicated to YOU! sexy pose Hmm. Interesting. One thing bothers me though..... the name. Couldn't you have come up with something a little easier? Ankie perhaps? Ankh or Ankie is fine with me, or you can just use my real-life name, which is Eva and thus conveniently short. (my real name happens to be the Dutch variant of Eve, in case anyone wonders)
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.19 09:45:00 - [50] Wait, are you trying to use any means neccesary to secure votes? ie, NOT try to be "professional" about it but flaunting the fact that you're a female? There's a word for that... In my mind you just lost any credibility you might have had, fail.

Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 09:48:00 - [51] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Xenofur interestingly enough the only candidate who seems to have the brains, the knowledge how to act in a professional environment and also the technical knowledge is a goon. Then you haven't informed yourself well enough on the other candidates. I think I easily meet all those criteria, being a game designer in real life, playing this game since 2003, and having a well above-average IQ, and I'm sure there are other candidates that meet your criteria as well. Read up on them. :) with all due respect: Your campaign text looks like that of a mere roleplayer with no technical qualifications or aspirations. It is my belief that any CSM candidate should have an intimate knowledge and a great interest of Eve's inner workings. Furthermore: I won't be doing any reading up. All i read are the texts on this page: [ http://myeve.eve-online.com/council/voting/CandidatesView.asp? ] If they don't give me the necessary info, then the candidate does not have the knowledge of how to act in a professional environment and will also have problems in bringing their points across to CCP. Lastly, mentioning your IQ in any way, shape or form is a strike against you, no matter whether it's below 50 or above 150 or anywhere inbetween. I will leave it as an intellectual exercise to you to figure out why that is. -- Small note to Tzar'rim: Goons as a group may be detestable at times and merely amusing at others. However try to keep in mind that the goons have roots and a history as well. Their roots are a forum that is based on wit and humour, but also harbours extreme nerdery. They are a very divere group with members reaching from potato-like minds to pure brilliance, especially when it comes to technology. If you do not believe me, i suggest to try reading the Let's Play or the Serious Hardware/Software Crap forum on somethingawful.
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.19 09:57:00 - [52] True, but; The entity Goonswarm has a history of cheating, sh1tposting, making a mess of things and in general just being annoying on the forums. Thus any goonswarm member gets that label, if he doesn't like having that label he shouldn't have joined them. Is that a simplistic and short sighted aproach? Yes ofcourse it is but unless proven otherwise it's the only thing I can do. If you want to know how someone acts in the future, look at his history... stuff like that.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:05:00 - [53] Originally by: Xenofur with all due respect: Your campaign text looks like that of a mere roleplayer with no technical qualifications or aspirations. It is my belief that any CSM candidate should have an intimate knowledge and a great interest of Eve's inner workings. Furthermore: I won't be doing any reading up. All i read are the texts on this page: [ http://myeve.eve-online.com/council/voting/CandidatesView.asp? ] If they don't give me the necessary info, then the candidate does not have the knowledge of how to act in a professional environment and will also have problems in bringing their points across to CCP. Hello Xenofur, I guarantee that I most definately in the "technical qualifications or aspirations" aspect. I'm actually not much of a roleplayer, game mechanics are what interest me. I could have written in the text that I'm a game designer and programmer currently working on a project for one of the most famous game designers around blah blah, but then I might get questions that I wouldn't be able to answer due to strict NDAs, and I think it would have looked quite arrogant as well. It was a tough decission as to what to put in the text, but I think people are more interested in what I can do for them, and that it was important to mention my independant status, thus I focussed on that part. There were different approaches, but I cannot write a text to please everyone. Originally by: Xenofur Lastly, mentioning your IQ in any way, shape or form is a strike against you, no matter whether it's below 50 or above 150 or anywhere inbetween. I will leave it as an intellectual exercise to you to figure out why that is. That was not meant as a brag, it was in direct response to someone that questioned if I had the brains to be up for this task. This is the case, I'd say.
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:15:00 - [54] Apart from that, Ankhesentapemkah is a 4 year old alt in an NPC corp. Therefore we are unable to understand the background, political bias or other drives she might have. Since it's an alt there is no ownership or accountability. It doesn't help the trustworthyness.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:17:00 - [55] It's my main.
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:18:00 - [56] Then you have been playing EVE for 4 years without being in a corp. There must be a reason to that, can you explain to me why on earth you want to play an MMO solo without being part of a group?
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Tzar'rim Then you have been playing EVE for 4 years without being in a corp. If we don't count the corp I was part of in the early days of Eve, that is correct. Originally by: Tzar'rim There must be a reason to that, can you explain to me why on earth you want to play an MMO solo without being part of a group? Of course, I'll explain. I like to play with a small group of friends, and on occasion I tag along with corps to run mining and missioning operations and such for a while. My friends are in different corporations, and they're happy there. I'm not going to rip them away to have them in a corp of my own. If I want to play with them, there's nothing stopping me to come over and visit them. I like to set my own goals and move freely and independantly. I have played WoW for a while (quit it long ago, thank god), and one of the reasons that made me leave was that to be succesful and get good 'stuff', you had to join a grindguild where you had to attend 4 times a week at a fixed time, or be kicked. In Eve, this fortunately is not the case, playing on a semi-solo basis is a valid tactic (even though it's not encouraged). I'll respond to requests for assistance, but at least I'm not obligated to do anything. My personality makes me a selfless and loyal player. If I would stick with a corp, I'd probably invest most if not all my time and ISK into it. I do not want such a burden on me, right now I just help out where I can and move on, and that suits me better.
Arithron	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:03:00 - [58] Edited by: Arithron on 19/04/2008 11:02:59 To answer those who wish to know further details on the real life situation of the candidates... Name: Bruce Hansen Age: I am in my mid 30's Married: Yes Profession: Education sector Mental state: Stable Sense of humor: Yes Experience with meetings/working as part of team: Yes Honest and reliable: Yes That should do it. I challenge other candidates to do likewise....
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah explanation Ok, so you don't want to bind yourself to a group and like your independancy. Can you explain your incentive to run for a position where you, by default, are unable to set your own goals and have to bind yourself to a group and have to invest time into working with them? Apart from that, can you somehow take away the obvious reservation we might have when it comes to voting for an unknown with no obvious background or ties?
Caleese New Eden Research And Design School	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:22:00 - [60] sigh this thread is already showing signs of why I'm not sure if this CSM is going to do as well as it could. Immediately people are looking at the corp saying "OMG I'm not voting for goons they suicide gank hulks" or crap like that. This isn't about how a group of people decide to play the game. That's like saying you're not going to vote for someone because they're a pirate, or I'm not going to vote for a candidate because they're a miner. Heck we may as well not vote for any jews, or black people (no offence Darius). See it's just that stupid. There's a couple of candidates in the list who are goons, and if you read the features and ideas discussion of the forums, you'd see them post there. Personally if I read some good posts in the Ideas and Discussions forum (even the game development forum) from a CSM candidate, then they will get my vote. Even if I don't agree with their idea, at least it shows they gave a crap and were trying to do something before this popularity contest that is the CSM elections came about. I happen to like eve, so I'll be putting my personal bias against goons aside, and choosing (or discarding) candidates, not by their corp ticker, but by what they've already done to try and make this game more fun. If you enjoy playing this game, I implore you to do the same.



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