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Adira Barek
Tillistrian Enterprises
The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:37:00 -
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Here is the link to the part of the forum the petition is one. All support is appreciated. Us Linux users need our own client, just like the windows and mac users have
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75236&find=unread |
Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:42:00 -
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No. Please no.
Last time they tried they did a half-%$#ed job and messed it up.
Better that they mostly ignore us. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:42:00 -
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IIRC Macs don't have their own client either, they're running a Win client which sits on top of a variant of Wine. The issue is that separate clients require more development work, and they already have enough issues keeping the bugs out without branching for another OS.
I'm an avid Linux user myself, and I understand the frustration, but I also understand the issues with trying to develop for multiple OSes in parallel and fear that it would cause more issues than it would solve. |
Adira Barek
Tillistrian Enterprises
The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:47:00 -
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I can understand every ones fear of this happening in the sense of them messing it up bad and making it more of a problem than a remedy, but isn't that what the Linux development community does we strive for things to be accepted in our way to, Also to help out in anyway we can in these Developments. Windows is a primary operating system Linux is pushed back into the closet and forgot about. I say Give them a chance and one all things have come and they have done there best then make the choice to accept the new client or to throw it away. they have come a long way in many things. lets give them a chance and Give us a chance to truly enjoy the way we choose to compute and game. |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:46:00 -
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As much as this would be great for all the Linux users, it's purely for a minority of users so using CCP's time for a new client wouldn't really be the best idea.
I run EVE on Wine and it works well for me so I am relatively happy about this. |
Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:48:00 -
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It would be nice if they acknowledged and supported wine as a windows version.
That would suffice for support IMHO. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:16:00 -
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Won't happen. They stopped supporting Linux for a reason. The 0.002% of players that use it just isn't worth it.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:40:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Won't happen. They stopped supporting Linux for a reason. The 0.002% of players that use it just isn't worth it.
Oh, hey! Then we've all posted to this thread already and we're done here!
More people are playing on Linux than ever used the official Linux client, and with their new diagnostic tools CCP can probably tell how many of us there really are.
More importantly, we are willing to make an extra effort to play the game, unlike those lazy MSWindows users who just settle for whatever was packed on their system to begin with. |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.02 03:08:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:More importantly, we are willing to make an extra effort to play the game, unlike those lazy MSWindows users who just settle for whatever was packed on their system to begin with.
Not quite sure where you were going with this and what relevance the 'packaged' programs on Windows has to playing EVE?
I seriously doubt Windows users play the game any less than Mac or Linux users as they pay to play the same as everyone else.
Based on statistics, they actually play more as there are more of them.
Linus users, as already stated, make up a very, very tiny part of the EVE community and it really isn't worth CCP's time to support a client solely for this. |
Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.02 04:32:00 -
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I do believe I mentioned above that last time they tried, they didn't put enough resources in to do it right and made a pig's breakfast of it.
I'd rather they not make another partial attempt, but it would be nice if they took Wine compatibility a bit more seriously.
Just a tiny bit. |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
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Posted - 2012.03.02 08:30:00 -
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For me a recent Linux adopter, learning how to get EVE running through Wine was an important education.
I understand your good intentions but I'd rather a programmer at CCP was informally assigned to raise issues with wine.org rather than a whole team dedicated making a new client.
Although I am a bit worried that the Sisi test server client crashes for me in Wine at the moment. |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.02 23:04:00 -
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Snowflake Tem wrote:Although I am a bit worried that the Sisi test server client crashes for me in Wine at the moment.
Yeah does the same to me too. Sucks having to switch to Windows to run SiSi. Something in the last patch seems to have broken Wine somewhere along the way. |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:40:00 -
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I was there and it was awful
In my opinion we should push in the direction of getting wine as an official platform among the other windows versions. This would also include the Mac client.
This way there would be only one client.
Also there is not much needed to get a better integration in distributions. A small open source installer that can be packaged by distributions and after accepting the licence or whatever downloads the client via zsync (already exists for the repair tool) per user.
just my 0.000003% of a cent |
Kid Delicious
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.04 03:40:00 -
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All I'd ask is that they not break it entirely on wine.
CQ seems broken atm but who cares about CQ. I currently cannot get on test because it crashes but I haven't done a full reinstall yet.
I will not use windows to keep playing if they break wine support. |
Raziel Tyrael
Quantum Anomaly Corporation
Luna Sanguinem
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Posted - 2012.03.04 18:57:00 -
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how about instead signing your silly petition we all give you 1 dollar so you can buy windows, might even get enough for new wooden pc? |
Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:54:00 -
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Windows costs $100. Not worth the price for the pain of trying to get Windows to run right in the first place, let alone getting it to run Eve.
Whenever Eve compatibility with Linux breaks I just unsubscribe, so it's probably a net win for me since then I have more time for other stuff. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2012.03.05 01:20:00 -
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eve uses DirectX like most games do. Porting it to OpenGL would be the only real cross platform solution. However this won't happen since there is no business reason in doing that.
wine emulates OpenGL on top of DirectX, there is not much CCP could do to provide better emulation as wine already provides.
good intention, but it won't happen sorry
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Raziel Tyrael
Quantum Anomaly Corporation
Luna Sanguinem
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Posted - 2012.03.05 16:32:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Windows costs $100. Not worth the price for the pain of trying to get Windows to run right in the first place, let alone getting it to run Eve.
Whenever Eve compatibility with Linux breaks I just unsubscribe, so it's probably a net win for me since then I have more time for other stuff.
So, on one side we have few of users canceling their subscriptions which equals some small number of money for CPP, and on the other side we have days and months of work and paying CPP workers to get linux running client for those small number of players. I would rather lose small sum of money, then pay large sum of money to keep getting small sum back.
Yeah, I am sorry for you, but look, buy a windows, or continue emulating on linux. Why do you expect to get everything on a plate? |
Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.05 16:54:00 -
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Raziel Tyrael wrote:Buzzy Warstl wrote:Windows costs $100. Not worth the price for the pain of trying to get Windows to run right in the first place, let alone getting it to run Eve.
Whenever Eve compatibility with Linux breaks I just unsubscribe, so it's probably a net win for me since then I have more time for other stuff. So, on one side we have few of users canceling their subscriptions which equals some small number of money for CPP, and on the other side we have days and months of work and paying CPP workers to get linux running client for those small number of players. I would rather lose small sum of money, then pay large sum of money to keep getting small sum back. Yeah, I am sorry for you, but look, buy a windows, or continue emulating on linux. Why do you expect to get everything on a plate?
1. I'm not the OP
2. CCP actually is pretty responsive. They don't have a lot of resources dedicated to it, but the development team is at least sympathetic and doesn't deliberately break stuff.
3. I'm the guy who doesn't want it on a plate. If I was computing in easy mode I wouldn't have to pay extra to get Windows. |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
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Posted - 2012.03.05 18:28:00 -
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Raziel Tyrael wrote:
how about instead signing your silly petition we all give you 1 dollar so you can buy windows, might even get enough for new wooden pc?
You must be a genius, you are probably the first one that came up with this idea. After all we all just use Linux because we can not afford a Windows license.
Also i consider wine the superior Win32 implementation and support for it isn't asked that much. After all they support several implementations by microsoft that challenge each other for the title of the most broken OS.
BTW what are you doing in the EVE forums? Don't you have to fix uncle bob and his mums printer problems you windows genius? |
Raziel Tyrael
Quantum Anomaly Corporation
Luna Sanguinem
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Posted - 2012.03.05 21:24:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:Raziel Tyrael wrote:
how about instead signing your silly petition we all give you 1 dollar so you can buy windows, might even get enough for new wooden pc?
You must be a genius, you are probably the first one that came up with this idea. After all we all just use Linux because we can not afford a Windows license. Also i consider wine the superior Win32 implementation and support for it isn't asked that much. After all they support several implementations by microsoft that challenge each other for the title of the most broken OS. BTW what are you doing in the EVE forums? Don't you have to fix uncle bob and his mums printer problems you windows genius?
1. I didn't say you can't afford, but somebody mention as a reason 100$, so if that is your only reason, would be easier to petition for 100$ then to do whole game for another operating system
2. I own both pc and mac, and no, I don't fix stuff for my relatives, if you do , then thats your problem, and I would like to see your uncle bob printing on linux
3. If majority of users are windows users, you can only expect windows versions of majority of software. yeah, windows are far from perfect, i have both windows and lionOS, and both have advantages, but this isn't one of those topic. all in all, to much effort and time would be needed to make linux client while there are many other issues which needs dev attention...
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1176
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Posted - 2012.03.05 21:26:00 -
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Frankly I don't care if CCP decided to start supporting Linux again or not but it seems rather silly for them to devote that many man hours and resources to the small fraction of people that play on Linux. They would need to be making enough money off of said fraction of players to make it worth spending money on the resources to develop a Linux client and maintain the support with each expansion. I understood this to be the reason they dropped Linux and even Mac support and I doubt that has changed much.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2012.03.06 00:40:00 -
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Raziel Tyrael wrote:
2. I own both pc and mac, and no, I don't fix stuff for my relatives, if you do , then thats your problem, and I would like to see your uncle bob printing on linux
Well Linux has the same print facility MacOS has. Does it sucks to print with a Mac?
Raziel Tyrael wrote:
3. If majority of users are windows users, you can only expect windows versions of majority of software. yeah, windows are far from perfect, i have both windows and lionOS, and both have advantages, but this isn't one of those topic. all in all, to much effort and time would be needed to make linux client while there are many other issues which needs dev attention...
What some of us propose is the support of wine as a platform instead of a separate Mac, Linux and Windows client. Thats -1 client, so it would produce less effort for CCP. There would only be the Windows client (or Win32 client or whatever).
Also it already works for years it's just that it isn't officially supported. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.06 13:44:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:
What some of us propose is the support of wine as a platform instead of a separate Mac, Linux and Windows client. Thats -1 client, so it would produce less effort for CCP. There would only be the Windows client (or Win32 client or whatever).
Also it already works for years it's just that it isn't officially supported.
A Linux user with no idea how commercial software works? Well I never. |
Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
40
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Posted - 2012.03.06 14:51:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Karak Terrel wrote:
What some of us propose is the support of wine as a platform instead of a separate Mac, Linux and Windows client. Thats -1 client, so it would produce less effort for CCP. There would only be the Windows client (or Win32 client or whatever).
Also it already works for years it's just that it isn't officially supported.
A Linux user with no idea how commercial software works? Well I never.
A commercial software user with no idea how software development works?
Well I never! |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:06:00 -
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Yeep wrote:A Linux user with no idea how commercial software works? Well I never.
This is... well we should probably applaud you for finding out how to write in the forums. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
362
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:53:00 -
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Raziel Tyrael wrote:2. I own both pc and mac, and no, I don't fix stuff for my relatives, if you do , then thats your problem, and I would like to see your uncle bob printing on linux
This alone condems your so called "experince" in Mac/Linux....walk away...before you embarass us with your pitiful knowledge on the subject matter.....even a Seasoned Mac User knows better to say such stupid things.
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Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
362
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:54:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Frankly I don't care if CCP decided to start supporting Linux again or not but it seems rather silly for them to devote that many man hours and resources to the small fraction of people that play on Linux. They would need to be making enough money off of said fraction of players to make it worth spending money on the resources to develop a Linux client and maintain the support with each expansion. I understood this to be the reason they dropped Linux and even Mac support and I doubt that has changed much.
Since when did they drop Mac support?
Once again you speak of things your know nothing about.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1182
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:53:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Frankly I don't care if CCP decided to start supporting Linux again or not but it seems rather silly for them to devote that many man hours and resources to the small fraction of people that play on Linux. They would need to be making enough money off of said fraction of players to make it worth spending money on the resources to develop a Linux client and maintain the support with each expansion. I understood this to be the reason they dropped Linux and even Mac support and I doubt that has changed much. Since when did they drop Mac support? Once again you speak of things your know nothing about.
As if you are one to talk. You rarely if ever have any clue at all as to what you try to talk about. I say try because really all you do is come on the forums and start raging and flaming at people like a prepubescent child and then stomp and cry about things that don't go your way. This is what I get for clearing my blocked list.
I was, however, incorrect in my statement of Mac not being supported.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
364
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:25:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Frankly I don't care if CCP decided to start supporting Linux again or not but it seems rather silly for them to devote that many man hours and resources to the small fraction of people that play on Linux. They would need to be making enough money off of said fraction of players to make it worth spending money on the resources to develop a Linux client and maintain the support with each expansion. I understood this to be the reason they dropped Linux and even Mac support and I doubt that has changed much. Since when did they drop Mac support? Once again you speak of things your know nothing about. As if you are one to talk. You rarely if ever have any clue at all as to what you try to talk about. I say try because really all you do is come on the forums and start raging and flaming at people like a prepubescent child and then stomp and cry about things that don't go your way. This is what I get for clearing my blocked list.
I was, however, incorrect in my statement of Mac not being supported.
Just underlining for emphasis.
Nice shot in the foot there buddy....keep up the good work.
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