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Kurth Ren
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.19 23:46:00 -
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Hello. First off, I am a proud Gallente, and have been from birth. However, recently, I have found myself questioning the ideals I was raised on.
Mainly, Democracy as a form of government.
I've looked at our government. And I've compared it with those of the Amarr and Caldari.
Really, they make us look like mired, useless, bureaucrats.
The Amarrians seem to be able to make a decision quickly when it is needed. For better or for worse. The same can be said for the Caldari. But with the Democratic-Republic we have, if we want something done, we have to wait for 4 months while senators only interested in their own political careers go in circles arguing over it, only to have the file for it left on someone's desk as to never be brought up again, Then we start over.
Really, I seem to like the quick and efficient way of the Amarrians and the Caldari much more when I look at it from this angle. And I've considered the personal freedoms, I have yet to meet an Amarrian or Caldari who complained about their position.
I realize that none of you may find this interesting, or even care, but I felt I just had to get this out somewhere.
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.20 00:08:00 -
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I may not exactly be a sociology major, but I'll just say this about the Caldari society:
Chances are, the only people you're ever talked to are your fellow pod-pilots. What you don't seem to realize is, most of the pod pilots with only a few month's experience can make more money in a few hours that your average worker for one of the megacorps will make in his lifetime. I'm not the one to sympathise with the dirty proletarian scum, I'd just like to warn you against such generalisations.
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Tenebrion Darkness
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.04.20 00:15:00 -
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I suppose I should get the quip about us not being able to make up our minds about a new Emperor for some time out of the way. Almost all the quick decision making by the Empire is in reaction to some event. We aren't a very proactive society in most respects.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.04.20 03:50:00 -
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Mr Darkness is wrong in his statement. Of course, we lack an Emperor, that is truth. But yet, we are a proactive race, and have been so since the founding of Amarr. And yes, a direct rulership is better when it comes to quick decisions, as it has not to consult, negotiate or combine with any other's. It can take counsel, of course, but it decides alone. It is a great responsability, only fit for the best.
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Admiral Serrano
Raata Fleet Command
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:00:00 -
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In everything there are those who have and those who want, as there are winners and losers.
The Caldari people have dominion of its own sovereign colonies, and we won our independence.
Where do you suppose the gallente fit into this picture...
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Fox Vulcan
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.05 00:02:00 -
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Sounds like you were born in the wrong place pal. Thing is, I doubt anyone will kick up a fuss if you want to leave. Ive heard the stories about others not being so leanient...but hell, im just a Navy Pilot, I aint been around long enough to judge em all.
As for the system, well, its our fault for voting for the wrong person. If people give a damn, they'll choose someone else. Some folks just seem too nervous to upset the status Quo though. |
Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.05 01:20:00 -
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I'm not really sure that there is something that the Senate and President have not handled in a timely manner that was important. At least, any slower than the other governments of the cluster would have.
Plus, in times of emergency, all of the red tape gets cut, and decisions that need to be made "NOW" can be made.
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Sylvain Lemieux
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.05.05 09:51:00 -
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Mr Ren, I would say you are misguided on several points.
As a citizen of the Federation who works within the State, I feel I am relatively well placed to comment on the differences between the two systems.
The Federation as a representative democracy does have a large bureaucracy, this is part and parcel of such a system and the possession of such is not an inherently negative part of the system. Bureaucracy enables government and a totalitarian state is just as likely to possess one as a democratic state. The complexity and breadth of the Federation, coupled with the need to hear billions of opinions on a single issue, creates massive amounts of inefficency, this much is true. Coupled with this, the political bickering in the Senate can often create massive legislative deadlock in favour of point-scoring. However, I am sure many Federal citizens would prefer an inefficent democracy to an efficent tyranny and a certain sluggishness of government is the price you pay for a high degree of civil liberty.
The bureaucracy of the Caldari state is almost non-existent but this does not mean the Caldari system lacks inefficency, it is simply inefficent in a different manner. With no real central government, power lies almost directly in the hands of the various megacorporations who pursue seperate agendas which can often come into conflict. Corporations, as inherently autocratic institutions, are remarkably efficent at decision making but you would be foolish to believe this means that the Caldari State itself can act as a dynamic and decisive body. Lacking any State-wide formalised legal constitution, each megacorporation is effectively a nation unto itself. While statewide institutions such as the CEP and the Navy exist, their existence depends entirely on the will of all the component corporations' continuing support and their ability to work with each other, something that appears to happen infrequently.
Both systems have a habit of descending into squabbling between rival factions over a multitude of issues. The Amarr Empire is no different with it's various houses and power struggles. Howevever, all systems are able to act quickly and decisively when needed. In the event of an invasion of the Caldari state, all the Megacorporations would likely band together in common defence. Similarily, both Progressive and Conservative would stand as one against any attack on the Federation.
No perfect system of government exists and I believe you would be incorrect to suppose as such. Many forms of government are not imposed methods of controlling it's citizens but a reaction to those citizens. The Caldari values of loyalty, duty and efficency cause them to naturally gravitate towards a system with a strong emphasis on collective responsibility. Conversely the Gallente mindset leans more towards individual liberty and fiery idealism, therefore there is a natural movement towards a democratic system where all have a voice.
As a capsuleer you are free to move about as you wish should you find yourself unhappy within a system but it is neither helpful nor constructive to resort to ill thought out stereotypes to take potshots at a system it appears you have little understanding of.
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Rana Ash
Minmatar
Aeon Trinity
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Posted - 2008.05.05 10:30:00 -
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It's also a matter of working with the bureaucrats, and not against. Some flattery, a small gift or name dropping can work wonders.
Also having excellent standings with a corporation makes things go very smoothly, i have had no issues for along time now.
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Drethon
Gallente
Selinir
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Posted - 2008.05.05 13:13:00 -
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From what I've been told, the point of Democracy is to make laws very hard to create. If laws are very hard to create then you have a good chance that the only laws that are created are laws that are truly needed. If laws are easy to make then poor laws will be passed very quickly.
Just my 0.02 ISK
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.05 15:10:00 -
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When you need a decision made and you need it yesterday, I can hardly imagine a system more efficient than the autocratic megacorps - they may not be unified by any means, but at least they have the power (and obligation) to immediately do what's best for the majority of their shareholders.
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Tolliver Caspian
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.05 15:15:00 -
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The speed with which a governing body makes a decision has very little to do with whether or not that body makes the right decision. I would suggest looking more into the decisions that are made by the governments in question, and making your own judgments, rather than the alacrity with which those entities make those decisions.
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Able Citizen
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.05 20:42:00 -
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You are unlikely to find a Caldari or Amarrian loyalist that DARES complain about their place in their power structure. Retribution for disloyalty (in the form of an exercise of one's civil liberties) is swift and harsh in both of those structures. At times when you are the target of the power's attention, you HOPE that they will NOT be efficient; this way you have time to make a case for yourself.
If sheer efficiency is your only guidepost to solvency and relevancy, perhaps you ought to invest your energies in the structure of your choice.
Trust me, fellow capsuleer, I hold NO affinity for the Federation. The devils that sit in the seats of power in the Federation are without a doubt the most conniving, corrupt bureaucrats that exist today.
However, when adopting a government, more transparency and freedoms should be vauled higher than simple expediency.
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Kudon Astraisx
Minmatar
17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.05 22:17:00 -
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Efficiency and expediency are not the only values in a government, nor the most important.
Our freedom is often because our governments are inefficient. As government can remove freedoms (whether for appropriate or inappropriate reasons), then I for one prefer a government that acts slowly and is thus less of a threat to its citizenry.
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