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sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.21 15:24:00 - [31] I vote for getting rid of insurance all together Join The Fight With Promo Today View The North Star!
DrefsabZN	Posted - 2008.04.21 15:49:00 - [32] Thinking of this actually the more I am for just taking out insurance altogether. People who do stupid things should be punished. The insurance system is illogical in the way it works. Maybe for noob's T1 frigates should still be insurable but other than that if you do something that gets you blown up you pay for it the hard way.
Anvalor Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA	Posted - 2008.04.21 16:24:00 - [33] Edited by: Anvalor on 21/04/2008 16:25:28 Yes lets remove insurance so people who are afraid to lose their ships now become even more afraid to lose them and will avoid more battles.I do not really care about insurance because i can afford the ships without it. But people that do not have so much money will have the choice to lose more if they still want to fly their BS, BC etc. or be forced to use smaller ships so they do not risk so much, while the rich do not have to care about it and still can fly their big and expensive ships without the fear of losing much except the modules. People should just think before they demand a change. Not only what it will change for them but also for others. edit: I am not talking about suicide ganking here because that is another story. I just mean the insurance payout for pvp.
Sintho	Posted - 2008.04.21 17:57:00 - [34] Getting rid of insurance is a very bad idea. Peopl say low-sec is to risky now. Take away insurance and the risk is 10x greater. So I loose only about 10 mil with insurance but I can loose 100mil without insurance.
Brucette	Posted - 2008.04.22 00:05:00 - [35] Originally by: Alski So again I ask, what are the advantages of removing insurance for everyone who is NOT effected by suicide ganks? Please stop rabbiting on about suicide gankers. This change would also greatly change 0.0 warfare, highsec missioning, etc etc. The advantage is that combat becomes much less casual than it is currently.
Brucette	Posted - 2008.04.22 00:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Sintho Getting rid of insurance is a very bad idea. Peopl say low-sec is to risky now. Take away insurance and the risk is 10x greater. So I loose only about 10 mil with insurance but I can loose 100mil without insurance. Fly what you can afford to loose?
Brucette	Posted - 2008.04.22 00:10:00 - [37] Originally by: Anvalor But people that do not have so much money will have the choice to lose more if they still want to fly their BS, BC etc. or be forced to use smaller ships so they do not risk so much, while the rich do not have to care about it and still can fly their big and expensive ships without the fear of losing much except the modules. I think you would find that even wealthy people would take a little more care if a BS actually cost them the real amount when it was lost.
Mary Magdalene	Posted - 2008.04.22 00:16:00 - [38] For a comprimise on both sides, why not just have it where if you lose your ship to concord, you just receive the base payout , which i believe is 40%
Guillame Herschel Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 00:20:00 - [39] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 22/04/2008 00:20:22 Originally by: Brucette The whole idea of big cheap ships is counter to the design influences that guide EVE. Why, of course! That explains why insurance has been in the game since 2003.
Brucette	Posted - 2008.04.22 00:23:00 - [40] Edited by: Brucette on 22/04/2008 00:23:23 Originally by: Guillame Herschel Why, of course! That explains why insurance has been in the game since 2003. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's not broken. Edit: fixed quote delimit.
Guillame Herschel Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 00:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Brucette Originally by: Guillame Herschel Why, of course! That explains why insurance has been in the game since 2003. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's not broken. I wasn't responding to anything you said about it being "broken." You said it went against the design principles of the game. Well, if it goes against the design principles of the game, why was it designed into the game from the beginning? Answer: because it doesn't go against the design of the game. It is part of the design of the game. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Brucette	Posted - 2008.04.22 00:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Answer: because it doesn't go against the design of the game. It is part of the design of the game. So were cruise-missile kestrals.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.04.22 01:20:00 - [43] Huh... no insurance for criminal acts, right? Allow me to read between the lines. What you're really saying is, no insurance for anyone that isn't a carebear.
Brucette	Posted - 2008.04.22 01:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Huh... no insurance for criminal acts, right? Allow me to read between the lines. What you're really saying is, no insurance for anyone that isn't a carebear. No. Read the op.
angeleyess Gallente The Elear FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.22 02:25:00 - [45] idk what BS you're flying but battleships that are fully tech II fit with rigs still cost me in the vicinity of 60-80 million every time i lose one. so maybe if you're a nub and you fly around in tech 1 fitted BS sure, but it'd really kind've suck to lose 170 mil every time i lost a battleship. -Angeleyess- www.rgrocks.com
Battlecheese Caldari Cheers Restaurant and Bar	Posted - 2008.04.22 02:30:00 - [46] Originally by: angeleyess idk what BS you're flying but battleships that are fully tech II fit with rigs still cost me in the vicinity of 60-80 million every time i lose one. so maybe if you're a nub and you fly around in tech 1 fitted BS sure, but it'd really kind've suck to lose 170 mil every time i lost a battleship. Yes it would, though if you were poorer, loosing a T1 Moa might be pretty nasty too. I think that is rather the point of this thread. No insurance gets a vote from me.
Evita Achura Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.22 03:46:00 - [47] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Brucette Yes. No. No... yes. The isk must flow. Fat rich alliance tards need to start paying more for their laggy fleet battles.

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