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manasi Caldari Ceptacemia Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:10:00 - [61] Agreed bro, forums are a rite bit touchy these days, myself included,mea culpa, for taking it the wrong way :)
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:11:00 - [62] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Are you going to post another thread, apologizing for your mistake? Why should he do that? Noone should be using Bacon in the first place, so wether or not there is a keylogger in there could be debated on another forum to your heart's content. The OP raised the possibility of a keylogger which he believes exists in the code of a program noone should use. The only one's that should apologize are the one's who are/have been using this program or one like it. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Schani Kratnorr x13	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:12:00 - [63] Originally by: Barzam Originally by: Schani Kratnorr I am beginning to regret posting this in the first place. Yeah, a sensational thread-title like "BACON contains keylogger" and "my friend told me xx but won't back it up with yy" are such trustworthy and innocent remarks. Tbh, the only reasonable thing you've said in this whole thread is for people to check it out themselves, and I did that, and posted my findings here. But instead I get flamed for being a noob corp even though I've actively posted on this forum for over a year with this character. Well fine, I guess your friend is much more trustworthy than actually looking in the files I pointed out yourself. And as far as disclaimers go - I have no affiliation with BACON or GunFleet, and I don't use their program and will not use it. (tbh I think the whole idea sucks and should be deemed an exploit or EULA violation) I changed the subject of thread now (cookie problems prevented chaning the title for some reason). I dont see how it changes anything, since reading my first post should make it clear that my warning is based on incomplete information from a friend. Well at least he would call it incomplete without a 10.000-page report to the FAA.
Gavin LeMarque Caldari Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:16:00 - [64] Edited by: Gavin LeMarque on 23/04/2008 13:16:32 In both Windows XP and Vista, windows has a firewall that an app must be granted permission to pass. I remember giving Eve permission to connect to the web. Does Bacon make a similar request?
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:16:00 - [65] Having had a look at the code, nothing suggests that there is a keylogger. I can't deny that there is a keylogger located in their installer module, but the code itself doesn't. What DOES make me suspicious is that there's some stuff to do with the API(What does it do with the API? I haven't executed it myself) and that it loads the splash screen from the gunfleet server. So from sitting with it 10 minutes, i can't confirm that the statement that op put forward, is the case.
Lin Haraka Legio Conquistus Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:18:00 - [66] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Are you going to post another thread, apologizing for your mistake? Why should he do that? Noone should be using Bacon in the first place, so wether or not there is a keylogger in there could be debated on another forum to your heart's content. The OP raised the possibility of a keylogger which he believes exists in the code of a program noone should use. The only one's that should apologize are the one's who are/have been using this program or one like it. Agreed, We shouldnt be having this discussion if Bacon is or is not compromised peace of code. Bottom line it shouldnt be used lets just hope mods devs GM's whoever will sort this out in time
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:18:00 - [67] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr I changed the subject of thread now (cookie problems prevented chaning the title for some reason). I dont see how it changes anything, since reading my first post should make it clear that my warning is based on incomplete information from a friend. Well at least he would call it incomplete without a 10.000-page report to the FAA. The problem is that a lot of people don't read a thread these days to find out whether the subject is accurate or not. They see the freaky title and **** a brick. So changing the subject does a lot more than you think. :) Anyway, I doubt there's a huge cause for concern, and I reiterate the comment made earlier that at the very least this makes people take a look at the source instead of just blindly running a third party program without doing their research first. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Zurrar Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:20:00 - [68] um, in order to beable to write this program you would have to know what code is needed to read what. so that means he decompiled eve to write this correct? Originally by: Darla Dawson Quit, and go play wow I slaughter the english language better than a isk farmer. I love you.
eeevans Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:22:00 - [69] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr I would advice against blindly installing anything unless you can independtantly verify the source-code. well, i assume you got david to root through the entirety of the source code for whichever version of windows you're running, oh, and the browser software also, in order that you were able to post your ill-thought out sensationalist garbage here? amirite?
Lin Haraka Legio Conquistus Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:23:00 - [70] Originally by: Zurrar um, in order to beable to write this program you would have to know what code is needed to read what. so that means he decompiled eve to write this correct? False. The API is well documented. As for the possible keylogger part its a code that needs no knowledge of EvE client design
Schani Kratnorr x13	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:32:00 - [71] Originally by: eeevans Originally by: Schani Kratnorr I would advice against blindly installing anything unless you can independtantly verify the source-code. well, i assume you got david to root through the entirety of the source code for whichever version of windows you're running, oh, and the browser software also, in order that you were able to post your ill-thought out sensationalist garbage here? amirite? You sound mad, are you mad? Seriously dude, calm down it's only sofware. It's just, a lot of people have invested a lot of time in their accounts, and I for one would hate to loose my stuff. Of course it is a sensationalist topic, look at the other threads containing the word "bacon". Now while I am against the software and what it does, that has absolutely no bearing on me having it investigated for myself. Granted. My motive for relaying this information is probably tainted by the fact that I dont like the whole thing one bit. If you percieve it as sensationalist, then perhaps that is the case, but it seems any topic here is... high-sec ganks, local chat, anything really...
Kaemper Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:41:00 - [72] Edited by: Kaemper on 23/04/2008 13:45:17 Originally by: Barzam But your friend is an idiot. And there's a reason why he's in Q/A and not in programming. Because he's completely clueless. lol@wannabe.. regardless of the guy being clueless you sure fit the 'idiot' bill too. your general constant assumptions and repeated need for slander doesnt leave you much credibility. you merely come across as yet another of the gazillion wannabe kids who finished basic prog 101 and did a ~750 on a useless mcp and consider themselves the **. ppl who actually 'are the ' can make their points without being s. To the op.. its better to post 'valid' suspicions and have them proven wrong (even if eve-o is populated by quite a few ****s) than to ignore it and risk ppl being abused, so tnx for posting in any case.
Barzam School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:45:00 - [73] I want to point out that all analysis done in this thread is done on the supplied source code, though. BACON creators are supplying a binary version on their homepage, that could be built from a completely different source. So there's never any guarantees other than virus searching and firewall testing the application. Even then you're only as safe as how much work the creator puts into getting around your sa***uards. But the fact stands that there has been no code found in that source (that you can build yourself and run from if you don't trust the binary release) that acts as a keylogger or even does anything remotely suspicious. So, yeah, thread titles matter, that's was the main reason for my ire, and the fact that Schani's friend will not come forward with any information supporting his claim. I guess my main point of rambling is that I detest scare-mongering and disinformation - there's other venues to take to criticize this application - foremostly going directly to CCP to make them proclaim this software a violation of how the game should be played.
Barzam School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:47:00 - [74] Originally by: Kaemper Edited by: Kaemper on 23/04/2008 13:45:17 Originally by: Barzam But your friend is an idiot. And there's a reason why he's in Q/A and not in programming. Because he's completely clueless. lol@wannabe.. regardless of the guy being clueless you sure fit the 'idiot' bill too. your general constant assumptions and repeated need for slander doesnt leave you much credibility. you merely come across as yet another of the gazillion wannabe kids who finished basic prog 101 and did a ~750 on a useless mcp and consider themselves the **. ppl who actually 'are the ' can make their points without being s. To the op.. its better to post 'valid' suspicions and have them proven wrong (even if eve-o is populated by quite a few **s) than to ignore it and risk ppl being abused, so tnx for posting in any case. Heh, no, I actually am the , and I make my points by being a ** still, because I'm just awesome like that
Kaemper Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:53:00 - [75] Originally by: Barzam Heh, no, I actually am the **, and I make my points by being a ** still, because I'm just awesome like that keep telling yourself that
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:58:00 - [76] Originally by: Barzam Tbh, the only reasonable thing you've said in this whole thread is for people to check it out themselves, and I did that, and posted my findings here. But instead I get flamed for being a noob corp even though I've actively posted on this forum for over a year with this character. Well fine, I guess your friend is much more trustworthy than actually looking in the files I pointed out yourself. Pretty much after reading this thread all I see is you acting like a five year old throwing a tantrum, flaming, failing to read what the OP was saying, calling someone who hadn't even said much at all an idiot for glancing through the code and finding something obviously suspicious, and blaming the OP for someone else flaming you. Pretty much, you should stop posting. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:58:00 - [77] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Are you going to post another thread, apologizing for your mistake? Why should he do that? Noone should be using Bacon in the first place, so wether or not there is a keylogger in there could be debated on another forum to your heart's content. I could care less about the program in question, but I do care about people accusing others when there's no proof being provided. It has nothing to do with whether or not people should be using the program, and I'll tell you this - just because it's your opinion, that doesn't make it a fact. It's like me starting a thread named, "Ki An kicks puppies." and then writing, "My friend told me that Ki An kicks puppies, and he has a picture, but I'm not going to bother him further by asking him to provide said picture to me." I would have definitely come to your defense, and asked the poster to change the title to, "Ki An might kick puppies." I guess I just have the need to stick my nose everywhere to provide my opinion - you can take it, or you can leave it. The Tchell Dahhn Manifesto
Kaemper Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:08:00 - [78] Edited by: Kaemper on 23/04/2008 14:09:41
Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:13:00 - [79] I heard there is panic in this thread. Is it true bacon is stealing peoples passwords and souls?
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:13:00 - [80] Originally by: Ki An As someone else said, anyone getting their pw stolen when using Bacon deserves nothing but scorn. CCP won't help them either \o/ gimme a K! gimme an A! gimme an R! gimme an M! gimme an A!
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:14:00 - [81] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn I could care less about the program in question, but I do care about people accusing others when there's no proof being provided. It has nothing to do with whether or not people should be using the program, and I'll tell you this - just because it's your opinion, that doesn't make it a fact. It's like me starting a thread named, "Ki An kicks puppies." and then writing, "My friend told me that Ki An kicks puppies, and he has a picture, but I'm not going to bother him further by asking him to provide said picture to me." I would have definitely come to your defense, and asked the poster to change the title to, "Ki An might kick puppies." I guess I just have the need to stick my nose everywhere to provide my opinion - you can take it, or you can leave it. Would love a thread about me kicking puppies
FreakmasterMcFreakington	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:17:00 - [82] I guess CCP (possibly) missed the whole keylogger thing when they (possibly) checked the open-source code that anyone can check. Man who would have thought that Bacon would be (possibly) chock full of viruses and keyloggers actively lagging jita and stealing the internets and bank accounts of everyone in eve. What a load of (possibly) alarmist nonsense.
Lakut Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:25:00 - [83] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Are you going to post another thread, apologizing for your mistake? Why should he do that? Noone should be using Bacon in the first place, so wether or not there is a keylogger in there could be debated on another forum to your heart's content. I could care less about the program in question, but I do care about people accusing others when there's no proof being provided. It has nothing to do with whether or not people should be using the program, and I'll tell you this - just because it's your opinion, that doesn't make it a fact. It's like me starting a thread named, "Ki An kicks puppies." and then writing, "My friend told me that Ki An kicks puppies, and he has a picture, but I'm not going to bother him further by asking him to provide said picture to me." I would have definitely come to your defense, and asked the poster to change the title to, "Ki An might kick puppies." I guess I just have the need to stick my nose everywhere to provide my opinion - you can take it, or you can leave it. But he does. Known fact. Ontopic: I might just be not too lazy and grab the MSDNAA version of the latest Microsoft .NET IDE (Visual Studio whatever the latest version is) later at university and check it out myself in case I get too bored tomorrow after my lectures. ---------- You get a wonderful view from the point of no return.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:25:00 - [84] Originally by: Trathen True or not, I know of an excellent virus-free substitute for BACON here. I endorse this product and/or service! My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Anira Minmatar Chrysohelios	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:42:00 - [85] So that's why the Bacon creator was so eager to promote his program
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:42:00 - [86] Hi, Somebody told me there were puppies in here.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:44:00 - [87] Originally by: Face Palmer Hi, Somebody told me there were puppies in here. Nah, kicked 'em all already. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:50:00 - [88] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Face Palmer Hi, Somebody told me there were puppies in here. Nah, kicked 'em all already. Bah, I think the OP should amend the title to 'Does not contain puppies (* possibly)'. (Trolling at work coz I'm bored)
Eccentrica Gallumpbits	Posted - 2008.04.23 15:11:00 - [89] ..but the point is not "if" Ki An kicks puppies - but SHOULD he? Should we all be allowed to kick puppies, willy nilly? wont this lead to anarchy? What if kicking puppies becomes automated and widespread, and instead of kicking puppies its strangling cows? One can imagine the chaos that would ensue with automatic cow strangling units available to all.
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.23 15:28:00 - [90] Originally by: Eccentrica Gallumpbits ..but the point is not "if" Ki An kicks puppies - but SHOULD he? Should we all be allowed to kick puppies, willy nilly? wont this lead to anarchy? What if kicking puppies becomes automated and widespread, and instead of kicking puppies its strangling cows? One can imagine the chaos that would ensue with automatic cow strangling units available to all. QFT - of course this doesn't answer the real question, which is 'why?' and is his kicking exclusivly applied to puppies? What about kittens?

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