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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:04:00 -
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...is that the devs can no longer afford to tell the player base how much they suck, or how stupid they are.
I mean, seriously, it's gotten to the point of political correctness of having the players not respecting the developers AT ALL anymore.
It's "boe-hoe devs cheat" here, "waaah hypocrites RMT" there, "nerf!"/"buff!"/"underpowered!"/"overpowered!" everywhere.
Every time some (either very brave or very foolish) developer (like, say, Prism X, for instance) shows the smallest bit of interest and posts something, there's a horde of vultures picking at his every phrase exposing what they think is the hidden meaning.
Personally, I think it's time to stop the whole asskissery of the general population and come back in force.
No, the customer is NOT always right, the customer is usually a moronic dolt who doesn't know the first thing about game balance if it bit him in its oversized posterior.
A long time ago, when I joined up, the devs were not afraid to make comments for fear of public outrage, but apparently nowadays we start getting more and more PR-speeches and less and less heartfelt, honest and downright BRUTAL replies.
I daresay this has become a travesty of the original direction of the game.
No, people WON'T be quitting en-masse because they're proven wrong.
Heck, MORE people would flock over here once the underlying reasons for things get out in the open.
All this secrecy about the actual details of future plans are not serving anybody in the long run.
So, bottom line, dear devs, man up, stop being such PR pussies and just whack our noses with the proverbial newspaper every once in a while.
Don't be afraid to put out plans for the future out in the open, at least you can get the whining done BEFOREHAND, not afterwards.
Stop being afraid to call us idiots when we are being idiots.
Stop being afraid telling us we are wrong, but more importantly, start telling us WHY we're wrong.
Stop pretending we should have a democracy, when democracy actually sucks.
Start being the benevolent dictators you always were, and engage us in verbal sparring a bit more often as you use to nowadays.
And don't be afraid to simply say "STFU, you have no clue, THIS is what's going on, and THIS is why you're wrong".
This semi-constructive anti-corporate-PR rant brought to you by Akita "ohmygod I can feel my IQ dropping" T.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Curzon Dax on 24/04/2008 10:08:00
The greatest problem Eve/CCP is facing right now...
Oh, I thought you were going to say that the problem was the overabundance of smartass people who take the forums seriously and think that their opinion matters. 
*EDIT* I haven't had coffee yet this morning. Oh wait..that *IS* the problem!!
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:06:00 -
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I seriously couldn't agree more.
Good post. I can't believe you went there! 
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Shintai
Gallente
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:10:00 -
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Biggest problem is useless whines.
Abit like IT here at work. Everything works superb and flawless. So now is down to something like new people get new machines, why not me waah waaah. Someone got 2 screens I dont waah waah.
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: ApaKaka on 24/04/2008 10:11:40
I think CCP should rule these forums with an iron fist.
Seriously, trolling, fakeposting, rumourmills, lame petition threads and scare-propaganda has gone way too far and Eve General has become a cesspool of all the crap threads that are not allowed anywhere else. That's a pity, because once in a while a real gem of a thread appears and is buried under all this crap.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:16:00 -
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And why do I care what Devs think?
If their job title was "Burger Flipper" would you give a damm what they think? It's a human with a job, a desire for money to feed their vices.
Their **** stinks, they bleed when trucks hit them.
I see nothing special enough to be worth worrying about.
Just humans, with jobs.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:17:00 -
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I support this message from Akita T.
I couldnt agree more, poor dev's have been acting like they are walking on eggshells ever since the whole "spawnd bpo's" debacle. I too wish that the gold old "sassy" ways of devs would return to the way CCP communicates with us, when it is warrented.
CCP, keep your pimp hand strong!!!!
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Rana Ash
Minmatar
Aeon Trinity
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:20:00 -
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Puhleaze, the general public will not stop jumping to conclusions or taking ideas for cold hard facts.
I have seen dev posts where they say "we are thinking of changing this", and voila 46343684 posts where people whine,berate,troll,flame.
Taking the "thinking" for fact, even when devs appear clarifying and pointing out that it's just an idea tossed around. People still dogedly keep to their tin foil hats and beats at people that dare cross their bridge.
Ļon Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details
lyret dedreen
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:25:00 -
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Yes, this.
It's particularly sad that, for whatever reason, Oveur is too busy to post on the forums. He was never afraid of pointing out that people were idiots. Which is what we need, quite frankly.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:29:00 -
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well I might not agree 100% your right, the devs shouldn't be afriad but... well... that's how things are. |
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Lin Haraka
Legio Conquistus
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:30:00 -
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Devs mods GMs CCP personell be more like Gregory Peck
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Lindsay Fox
Disciples of Comus
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Lindsay Fox on 24/04/2008 10:30:54
So you expect that CCP should listen to your whine about them listening to people who whine?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 24/04/2008 10:33:30
 Originally by: Rana Ash
Puhleaze, the general public will not stop jumping to conclusions or taking ideas for cold hard facts.
And that's the very reason why devs "keeping their pimp hand strong" (like Treelox put it) is more important now than it ever was, especially with such a large population.
Originally by: Lindsay Fox
So you expect that CCP should listen to your whine about them listening to people who whine?
I was perfectly aware of the irony before I even hit "post topic".
Originally by: Lin Haraka
Devs mods GMs CCP personell be more like Gregory Peck
Personally, I'm quite partial to the James Earl Jones as voice of Darth Vader "pray that I don't investigate further" approach
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Eternal Hatred
Amarr
Pantsu Garu Limited Technologies
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Eternal Hatred on 24/04/2008 10:34:16
DEV's or GM's are stupid people. They ban people who say that their IGB sucks donkeys balls and compromises your whole computer!
I don't like EVE DEV's more than I like asskiss'ers like Akita T.
Frack CCP, frack their stupid game! 
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Hatred
They ban people who say that their IGB sucks donkeys balls
The IGB does suck donkey balls. Try developing ANYTHING that is kinda complex, for it.
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Rach NiKunni
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:38:00 -
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That some people don't agree with CCP about how the game is developing is their good right. That they wish to express that opinion is their good right. That they occasionally express that opinion disrespectfully or even like incredibly arrogant boobs is unfortunate and sad.
However I don't think it's the dev's problem. It's a communication problem that's common to most internet forums. The Devs are smart and have a thick enough hide. They will filter out *what* someone is saying from *how* they said it and take what is good to improve the game.
Asking the Devs to participate or even to respond to poorly deliverd communication isn't the answer.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
...is that the devs can no longer afford to tell the player base how much they suck, or how stupid they are.
Could you post some links or examples of the Devs calling players noobs and such? For one, I would love to see that. Secondly, I don't think they would be so harsh because that is throwing away subscriptions instead of taking the noobs money and laughing at them behind closed doors.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 24/04/2008 10:44:47
Edited by: Akita T on 24/04/2008 10:43:25
Originally by: Rach NiKunni
Asking the Devs to participate or even to respond to poorly deliverd communication isn't the answer.
But when the devs are afraid to respond to a properly worded, non-offensive proposal because a couple of people could "take it the wrong way", then we DO have a problem.
Heck, I even think they might have some internal guidelines about "not antagonizing the playerbase on the forum" already.
Emphasis on "might". It certainly started to feel that way for a good long time anyway, at least since the T20 scandal.
Originally by: Vaal Erit
Could you post some links or examples of the Devs calling players noobs and such? For one, I would love to see that. Secondly, I don't think they would be so harsh because that is throwing away subscriptions instead of taking the noobs money and laughing at them behind closed doors.
You can tell somebody he's wrong, and the reason for it being he doesn't have a clue and/or is a complete moron, without sounding offensive.
You might want to look at Prism X's post history over on eve-search for a couple of shining examples of such a posting approach every once in a while 
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:52:00 -
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I'd really enjoy if the devs would start playing Whack-A-Moron on the forums for a bit.
"Flame" - *WHACK*
"Troll" - *WHACK*
"Whine" - *WHACK*
This might get people a bit more in line with common decency and either make them go away, get banned or abandon the abhorrent behavior some people express on the forums.
You not only have the right to express your opinion, you also have the right to keep it to yourself.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
No, the customer is NOT always right, the customer is usually a moronic dolt who doesn't know the first thing about game balance if it bit him in its oversized posterior.
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Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Shanur on 24/04/2008 11:05:04
Edited by: Shanur on 24/04/2008 11:02:14
Originally by: Akita T
No, the customer is NOT always right, the customer is usually a moronic dolt who doesn't know the first thing about game balance if it bit him in its oversized posterior.
Actually they know a lot about game balance. They know exactly what unbalances give their prefferred tunnelvisioned style of playing the advantages it needs to hold up the pretense of being a good competent player who is too good to collaborate with other players. Hence they know exactly what types of balance changes they got to put hairline triggers on to start their ranting that CCP forces them to play the game the interactive way it was meant to be.
(yes i'm in an NPC corp. but i don't hold the pretense of being a highly skilled 1 man pwnmobile  )
EDIT: But yeah, the biggest problem CCP faces right now is all these people expecting EVE to be WoW with spaceships, and the devs not reminding them firmly enough that EVE is more like SB with spaceships, only better and more hostile .
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:05:00 -
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A few thoughts;
- a lot of us get the feeling that CCP is focussing on different things than we feel they should. The players want less bugs, CCP wants more and new gimmicks to attract more people. Combined with the sub-par quality control for each patch it's frustrating, and (to a point) explains why people go over the edge a bit.
- If you make a game that advocates asshattery and a "hahahalolz you lose" approach, you can expect the forums to reflect that a bit. Not saying that asshats ingame must be asshats IRL but it's just easy to understand that the forums for Hello Kitty Online will attract a different sort of player, thus the forums will be different. You reap what you sow.
- if you cut people a lot of slack and leave misuse of the forums unpunished then people will take advantage of that. stricter rule, a no BS form of forum control would be better. People will simply be more thoughtful of what they post when there could be repercussions to it.
To me, the DEVS, GM'S and community manager could show some more force/balls by laying down the rules and being less politically correct. Because, to me, THAT is the underlying problem;
The DEVS changed from "lets make a cool pewpew game where we can shoot people in the face" to "lets make a game that will attract 300k subscribers". The impact of that shift in goals is MASSIVE, it explains a lot of the changes, directions and focus CCP has made for a long time now. The outcome of all that means more politically correct actions and replies, focussed on retaining the playerbase rather than (as the game itself does) be strict and to the point.
Apart from that, they're busy with a whole lot of stuff so I'm guessing that the last free 5 minutes per day they want to get some sleep 
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Chillshock
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:06:00 -
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Hm. Actually I have to agree to the basic tone of this post:
Standing in for how you, CPP, make your game what it is and how is something that would make you stand out positively from the crowd of MMO companies.
I know you might get flamed, bugged or even spammed now and then. BUT you'd have something that is lacking so so so many places: GUTS!
Btw: I love eve as it was, what it became to this day and am seriously looking forward to the future (factional warfare, ambulation, ...).
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:25:00 -
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yes and no :-)
There was a time like 2 years ago where the discussion on the forums was more to the point and with much reason backing it up.
Then EVE saw a boom in player base and the forums crumbled. This lead to the current state. it is not ok but there is no way back now. And I don't see things turning to the better.
I don't see the lack of communication. It is the best it can be in present conditions. Or there can be a heavy moderation rule imposed on the forums which will make them less usefull for the general playerbase.
So I do agree with the observation, but I do not agree there is a solution to this problem ...
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
I'd really enjoy if the devs would start playing Whack-A-Moron on the forums for a bit.
Oh hell yes. I fully support this idea.
Just because you at CCP are running an MMO with tons of Subs doesn't mean you can't be posting sarcastic comments on the forums anymore. I want the good ol' days (tm) back!
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Qantas
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:36:00 -
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I agree totally we are all complete morons and should be ignored.
For example, the thread detailing why the mini noob ship should be hit with the nerf bat. Nothing more needs to be said.
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Vapidity
Amarr
Universal Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.04.24 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Vapidity on 24/04/2008 12:01:31
Originally by: Akita T
People need to RE-learn that the word of the Devs is law, but that the devs are not blind nor deaf to reason.
No, it's not.
That is part of the problem.
The guys upstairs that count the money are in charge, and they are not devs....
They are just people with a lot of money that want more money, your money.
Another poster said it right - the game shifted from 'lets make a cool game' to 'lets make a lot of money'
Edit: grammar.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.04.24 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/04/2008 12:04:00
Posting in an Akita T debasement thread.
Akita T's mega thread spawning addiciton is leading to the quality of his/her posts to drop through the floor.
 He he asks Devs to 'man up' and cringlingly debases himself with desires to be 'whacked on the nose with a newspaper'.
He wants his 'dictators' to engage in verbal sparring like being told to 'STFU, you have no clue'.
The question of course, is what is the point of verbal sparring with a DEV who you demand take no notice of what you are saying as 'democracy sucks'
Perhaps your just sore you dont have any Devs posting in your megathreads?
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Ashlee Darksky
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Posted - 2008.04.24 12:04:00 -
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CCP should just ignore the forums, because most of the posts are whining, whinging complete dribble by people with a lack of imagination to setup their ships properly or think around "problems".
In fact, CCP should create a "forum gank squad" that track down forum morons in game and gank them. Each post should have a "moron severity rating" and depending on said rating will determine the number of ganks.
/me runs away from the gank squad and hides!
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Shananigan
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Posted - 2008.04.24 12:43:00 -
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here here, devs need to tell us off more, at least then the same person wont be trying to make one point over and over again on a post when everyone else has already told them they are morons. When another player tells someone off it typically just makes that person think s/he is right even more, but when a dev tells you off.... you got owned and better run and hide for a few days.
Suprised no devs have said anything on this topic 
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