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Daedalus DuGalle Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.24 16:41:00 - [1] Win Not only is it informative and funny (but non political so don't even think about it!), but there seems to be a lot of parallels with what goes on in EVE. The closest I can see in EVE is CVA, but they're a non expansionary force. Perhaps next time we have a rampaging alliance maybe they'll do a better job of securing their space.
Daedalus DuGalle Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.24 16:41:00 - [2] Win Not only is it informative and funny (but non political so don't even think about it!), but there seems to be a lot of parallels with what goes on in EVE. The closest I can see in EVE is CVA, but they're a non expansionary force. Perhaps next time we have a rampaging alliance maybe they'll do a better job of securing their space. - What good is money if it can't inspire terror in your fellow man?
Zaiyo Modi	Posted - 2008.04.24 21:25:00 - [3] Hm, how is this not "political"? He pretty much says it is expected that the armed forces will go ape when their "leviathan" force do their business. If you do not want this to be "political" why did you post it? Im ok with this and found it somewhat amusing, yet this is perhaps best suited for a limited amount of people imo.
Shanzem Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.04.24 21:37:00 - [4] We all live in America -------------------------------------------
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.04.25 04:51:00 - [5] Originally by: Shanzem We all live in America Not me! <3 Canada ------------------------------ EVE is a cold, harsh world, filled with people that would kill you without a second thought. The forums are even worse.
Christopher Scott Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.25 07:20:00 - [6] I think that, overall, going into Iraq was the right thing to. What I don't like, is how our current administration completely lied about WHY we were going into Iraq. I also do not like, how there was ABSOLUTELY no plan for finishing the job. I seriously think George W Bush started the war in Iraq to guarantee his re-election, among other things. Honestly, if the government proposed a war with Iraq to the American people, and this guy from the pentagon told us how we were going to do it, the American people, and congress, would have said "F* yeah!" We would have knocked over Sudan, North Korea, and even a few genocidal areas in Africa and the Congo, all along the way. The entire nation, and possibly the entire civilized globe, would have supported our efforts. You know why? Because, believe it or not, USA had a good track record for rebuilding countries. Look at Germany. Look at Europe. Look at Japan. People forget about that portion of USA history. Iraq could have developed ten times faster than Japan, with a incredibly booming economy, and they would be an amazing beacon to the rest of the middle east... if our current administration didn't royally f* everything up so badly. Think about that. So invading Iraq WAS a good idea, only done in the worst possible way, at the wrong time, by the least qualified administration to handle it. Go figure. Here's to hoping we get something much better on '08, although I am not very optimistic. ------------------------------------ I support the following changes: Make warp acceleration faster!
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.25 07:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Christopher Scott I think that, overall, going into Iraq was the right thing to. nobody cares about right and wrong when the metric is power and those with the means do and define sucess Quote: What I don't like, is how our current administration completely lied about WHY we were going into Iraq. what incentive does any government have to tell the truth? Ever? if the planners imagine themselves as masters of the universe with broad visions (hallucinations) of national destruction and reconstruction, doesn't it logically follow that they see it fit to manage their own people as well? Quote: You know why? Because, believe it or not, USA had a good track record for rebuilding countries. Look at Germany. Look at Europe. Look at Japan. People forget about that portion of USA history. Iraq could have developed ten times faster than Japan, with a incredibly booming economy, and they would be an amazing beacon to the rest of the middle east... if our current administration didn't royally f* everything up so badly. Think about that. The pre-reconstruction period for Germany was at least two or more years in the works, I don't know how long the CPA or its earlier variation, the office of reconstruction, took to plan, but I doubt it was even half a year. Anyway I think you're ultimately wrong about those countries as well, the American program was to create democratic (read American business and diplomatically friendly) states. Did the Marshall plan ameliorate financial crises? No doubt, but the current administration has signed off on the atlantic alliances and the very ideas enshrined in rebuilding Europe. Whether or not they internally talk about europe in terms of "old europe" is another question but it reflects how the attitude to European alliances has changed. Given how eager American administrations like to re-use the language of "** revisited" and other such symbolism demonstrates how profoundly solipsistic the American foreign policy and cultural imagination has become, enamored by the technology of smart weapons but terribly weak in terms of human intelligence and political-cultural understanding. The Japan example is telling too as the very instrumentality of American intervention, article 9, represents the subterranean beginnings for Japanese normalization and remilitarization. Todays washington would in their eagerness to counter the "rising China" welcome such a rearmament. It seems so strange that Macarthur was ruined for suggesting nuclear escalation in Asia by Truman, could you imagine the same today? If anything the planners today are more eager than ever to radically redefine the American idea. Quote:** Here's to hoping we get something much better on '08, although I am not very optimistic. to quote mcain, bomb bomb bomb iran since afghanistan is the new forgotten war, the new Korea, the possibilities for foreign policy distraction, to escape the specter of Vietnam and doomed American occupation, are endless ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.25 08:12:00 - [8] It's not about oil!!! () () (â;..;)â (")(")
Zaiyo Modi	Posted - 2008.04.25 10:07:00 - [9] "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Alan Greenspan He has written a book called "The Age of Turbulence", I guess the quote is from that book.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.25 11:48:00 - [10] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 25/04/2008 11:48:40 Originally by: Zaiyo Modi Edited by: Zaiyo Modi on 24/04/2008 23:44:00 Hm, how is this not "political"? He pretty much says it is expected that the armed forces will go ape when their "leviathan" force do their business. If you do not want this to be "political" why did you post it? Im ok with this and found it somewhat amusing, yet this is perhaps best suited for a limited amount of people imo. Edit: I noticed that US DOD announced yesterday a re-establishment of US. 4th Fleet, last sailing in 1950. I wonder what they are up to. The words non-political are not wholey incorrect, but it may have been better to say non-party based political solutions to assist with foriegn affairs. You did not hear the words Democrate, Rebublican, Conservative, or Liberal. The only thing he pointed out was that we have had only 2 names in the Head of State position for the last 20 years. OO I do hope that we do not have one of those names back in that office for another 4 years. That would be just a little aristocratic for my taste. I have sat at the same dinner table with this man once before and he has some really good ideas and he has an uncanny ability to get individuals of extremely varied positions to listen. This is a very powerfull tool. I was a little surprised that in such a serious discusion he used the word pu-ssy and the term shoved up his ass . Not that I have a problem with them, but those are words and sayings that close peoples ears, which is not something you want to do when you are trying to push potentially very beneficial concepts through rigid individuals heads. Slade
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.25 23:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Havok Dryke Edited by: Havok Dryke on 25/04/2008 04:58:07 Originally by: Shanzem We all live in America Not me! <3 Canada You do realise that Canada is actually IN America, right? I'm talking about the continent obviously, since there's no such country as "America". OK, that's just used up my day's supply of pedantry. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.04.25 23:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny It's not about oil!!! Operation Iraqi Liberation Coincidence? I think not. ------------------------------ EVE is a cold, harsh world, filled with people that would kill you without a second thought. The forums are even worse.
Christopher Scott Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.26 01:28:00 - [13] Edited by: Christopher Scott on 26/04/2008 01:34:48 Originally by: Zaiyo Modi "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Alan Greenspan He has written a book called "The Age of Turbulence", I guess the quote is from that book. What is also sad, is that it's more inconvenient to say the same thing about 9/11 and Afghanistan. There's more untapped oil in the Caspene sea bordering Afghanistan, than in either Iraq or Saudi Arabia. In fact, the acquisition of Iraq and Afghanistan has put the USA in control of the majority of oil in the world. If I were vying for global domination, I would do the exact same thing. Then I would create an artificial oil crisis in my own country, use it as an excuse to ~~declassify~~ "develop" fuel alternatives and convert the country over to a new fuel source within a decade. Then my country would become free of oil dependency, while supplying the vast majority to the rest of the world that is is still hooked. Kind of like drug kingpins that stay clean of their own product, yet hold the largest market of its distribution. ------------------------------------ I support the following changes: Make warp acceleration faster!
Shanzem Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.04.26 09:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Havok Dryke Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny It's not about oil!!! Operation Iraqi Liberation Coincidence? I think not. /Thread. -------------------------------------------
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.26 10:17:00 - [15] That was thought-provoking and funny, but a pipe dream. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.26 14:56:00 - [16] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 26/04/2008 15:00:51 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 26/04/2008 15:00:11 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 26/04/2008 14:57:10 Originally by: Christopher Scott Edited by: Christopher Scott on 26/04/2008 01:34:48 Originally by: Zaiyo Modi "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Alan Greenspan He has written a book called "The Age of Turbulence", I guess the quote is from that book. What is also sad, is that it's more inconvenient to say the same thing about 9/11 and Afghanistan. There's more untapped oil in the Caspene sea bordering Afghanistan, than in either Iraq or Saudi Arabia. In fact, the acquisition of Iraq and Afghanistan has put the USA in control of the majority of oil in the world. If I were vying for global domination, I would do the exact same thing. Then I would create an artificial oil crisis in my own country, use it as an excuse to ~~declassify~~ "develop" fuel alternatives and convert the country over to a new fuel source within a decade. Then my country would become free of oil dependency, while supplying the vast majority to the rest of the world that is is still hooked. Kind of like drug kingpins that stay clean of their own product, yet hold the largest market of its distribution. I brought this possibility up about 3 years ago in a drunken discussion and the people I was with pretty much said that our government was not that underhanded. I about fell over laughing at their state of thinking. They pretty much dissmised my thoughts though, so I guess I lost since I was unable to convince them of the possibility. I at least planted the seed . Currently Solar Updraft Towers sound like they have great potential, if they can get the proper funding. Slade
Pitt Gallente Invicta.	Posted - 2008.04.26 15:13:00 - [17] The guy know's his stuff, no doubt about that. Accually, he is the kind of person I want advising the US military and other country's as well. Glad you posted that was an interesting watch. *How many must die in the name of God before the Devil is satisfied*
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.04.26 15:47:00 - [18] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 26/04/2008 15:56:54 That was very interesting. I think he was right on the money with a lot of it. I'd be interested to know what he made of the British army with it's peacekeeping/policing function in NI though. I especially liked the talk about a political framework for intervening in **ty regimes. Mind you, I have to wonder how he thinks the expense of rebuilding and policing should be balanced against aid for developing countries we aren't intervening. There's a hefty shortfall there and I don't feel like that is any less valid a cause. EVE RELATED CONTENT**
Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2008.04.26 17:01:00 - [19] Interesting.....BUT OLD!
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.04.27 02:57:00 - [20] Corps being sent back to guard and response details only (which was their original purpose). No more flashy hype for them anymore. Very interesting concepts and explanations laid out there. Alot would make sense to do. However it would never happen. Too many groups getting broken up and too many people losing their budgets meaning ALOT of resistance. That would take alot of political capital to pull off and alot of ****ed off congressmen/senators to deal with on both sides of the political spectrum let alone the Intelligence sector or Military. Only problem I had with it was moving the Sys Admin into the DoD instead of the State Dept.

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