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Zylatis Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.25 02:26:00 - [1] We will remember them.
Zylatis Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.25 02:26:00 - [2] We will remember them.
Auriq Nindlt	Posted - 2008.04.25 03:03:00 - [3] Originally by: Zylatis We will remember them. If this NHL related, we have a problem.
Zylatis Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.25 04:21:00 - [4] No, its ANZAC Day related.
annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.25 07:46:00 - [5] Remember the fallen who died for the many. Respect. Dwi Cymraig
Stephen HB Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2008.04.25 07:56:00 - [6] They shall grow not old, As we that are left grow old, Age shall not weary them, Nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun, And in the morning We will remember them. Lest we Forget. ---------- Guide to character creation by Akita T
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.25 09:13:00 - [7] Sorry to come over all ignorant, but what exactly are we talking about? --------------------------------------------------------------------
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.04.25 09:18:00 - [8] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Sorry to come over all ignorant, but what exactly are we talking about? Australia and New Zealands forces of the British Commonwealth in their invasion of the Ottoman Empire in WW1 - if my history recalls - is that correct? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Zylatis Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.25 09:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Zylatis on 25/04/2008 09:24:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anzac_day Sorry for being obscure, didn't want to ruin the occasion. Anzac day basicall commemorates Aus and NZ losses in WW1, especially the Galipoli landing (25th April) but is also used as a day to remember all those fallen in wars around the world. The Galipoli battle is singled out as it was the first time large ANZAC losses were suffered and so it really hit home and became the iconic battle for Australia and New Zealand in WW1, though it was not the only large battle ANZACs partook in in WW1 (Western Front etc).
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.25 12:18:00 - [10] oddly enough, april 25th is the day when we celebrate the Carnation revolution here in Portugal --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Mirph Viziam	Posted - 2008.04.25 12:19:00 - [11] Its also my Birthday \\o//
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.04.25 12:26:00 - [12] Edited by: Wendat Huron on 25/04/2008 12:26:16 The only thing we need to remember is that they were screwed bad by their incompetent officers. Other than that just another military op in a war a long time ago. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Griffen Hawk Department of Defence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.25 15:27:00 - [13] The band played watlzing mathilda
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.04.25 17:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Zylatis We will remember them. . EVE RELATED CONTENT
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.04.26 05:58:00 - [15] I suggest watching Gallipoli and All the King's Men. The second one even has Emperor Palpatine in it. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.04.26 18:23:00 - [16] Originally by: F'nog I suggest watching Gallipoli and All the King's Men. The second one even has Emperor Palpatine in it. What does that second movie have to do with Gallipoli? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries United For 0rder	Posted - 2008.04.26 18:52:00 - [17] Originally by: F'nog I suggest watching Gallipoli and All the King's Men. The second one even has Emperor Palpatine in it. May their sacrifice never be forgotten... And may the scumbags that used it as a political bloody shirt never be forgiven... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.04.26 19:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: F'nog I suggest watching Gallipoli and All the King's Men. The second one even has Emperor Palpatine in it. What does that second movie have to do with Gallipoli? Nothing about Gallipoli, but it does occur during the same campaign and gives a little more detail about what the British Empire's forces faced there. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2008.04.26 19:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Zylatis We will remember them. Unless you were there, I fail to see how you can remember them. Anyhow, I will remember it for being a day when people were sendt to their death because of their stupid leaders. In it for the state
Zylatis Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Haakon Jarl Originally by: Zylatis We will remember them. Unless you were there, I fail to see how you can remember them. Anyhow, I will remember it for being a day when people were sendt to their death because of their stupid leaders. How can you remember it if you weren't there? If it wasnt for them and people like them we would all be speaking German crossed with Japanese. Have some respect.
Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Zylatis Originally by: Haakon Jarl Originally by: Zylatis We will remember them. Unless you were there, I fail to see how you can remember them. Anyhow, I will remember it for being a day when people were sendt to their death because of their stupid leaders. How can you remember it if you weren't there? If it wasnt for them and people like them we would all be speaking German crossed with Japanese. Have some respect. Dont be silly. The Germans, Japanese and Turks won many wars and battle over other and they didnt force anyone to dspeak their language. The allied lost 141000 people, the axis lost 195000 people in the battle of gallipoli. The best thing to do is to remember how ****** than tentire war was. ALso, I didnt say I remembered 'them', I said I remember 'it' because I have read about it. Big difference In it for the state**
Candice Bormardin Caldari Jouvulen Enterprises Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.27 08:40:00 - [22] In the US we have Veterans Day, which was originally Armistice Day to commemorate the end of WWI but has come to be a day to remember all of our Veterans who served in any war. Most wars consist of a series of fouled up operations by both sides. Here, war is no different than any other human activity. Look at the your average day at work and all the screw ups that go on. War is no different - except that when people screw up - someone dies. Part of the problem with wars is that you have evolving technologies that no one really understands the consequences of until the war is fully on and then only after some good bit of time has passed. In WWI, the advent of Machine Guns and Steel, Breech Loading Artillery were not fully appreciated for some time. The Military tends to be fairly conservative in it's thinking because experimenting and trying out new things - gets people killed. Unfortunately this very conservatism can lead to a great deal of difficulty in changing the way they do things when the tactics and strategies they have trained to use in peace time fail once actual war comes. All through the 1800's armies continued to use Napoleonic Tactics despite the difference that rifled muskets made. Part of the problem here was communications. Flags and Bugle calls were being used to move masses of men about. No one had radios. So they kept people in these tightly packed formations party to control their movement but also to control their fire power. The trouble was - the very formations that concentrated their firepower were themselves very vulnerable to the enemies fire power. By WWI not that much had changed with respect to communications - yet - the slaughter inflicted by the rifled musket was completely eclipsed by that of machine guns and steel, breech loading artillery. Eventually, both the Central Powers and the Allies came up with solutions to the problem. They got better training, better communications and armored vehicles. The Germans used infiltration tactics to break the stalemate of the trenches in 1918 and the British and French used Tanks and American Numbers. So it isn't like the people involved were simply stupid. They were struggling to cope with a failure of their prewar training and eventually they solved the problem. It's just that a lot of people got killed in the process. That's just the way wars are. However fouled up human activities are, when people have died or given up a good part of themselves in trying to carry out their nations policies - they do deserve to be remembered. No - of course they can't all be remembered individually. They weren't all remembered individually by the people who were living then. But they can be remembered as a group and some respect can be shown for their sacrifice and what they went through. The world we live in today was shaped by what these people did - and - has come down to us even to this day in ways that touch our lives directly even if only for a bit. J. R. R. Tolkien was in the trenches in WWI. If you've read The Lord of the Rings or seen the movie - part of what he went through - is in them. For those who were moved by these works, Tolkien's experience is touching their emotions. The movie Gallipoli directly touches those who've seen it. Though simplified, it shows how a series of minor mistakes, such as not synching their watches, and wishful thinking such as claiming that marker flags of a first wave that had been wiped out had been seen in the enemy trenches, can have tragic consequences. WWII was no different. Savo Island, Tarawa, Omaha Beach, Iwo Jima, Ploesti, Monte Casino, Schwienfurt-Regensberg, Slapton Sands, the list goes on and on of fouled up operations the allies had and we won. All human activity is just a series of blunders but however imperfectly our wars have been fought the people who fought them and died to preserve our way of life deserve remembrance.
Candice Bormardin Caldari Jouvulen Enterprises Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.27 08:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Haakon Jarl Dont be silly. The Germans, Japanese and Turks won many wars and battle over other and they didnt force anyone to dspeak their language. Uh ... Turkey became Turkey instead of part of the Byzantine Empire and the people there don't speak Greek or Latin any more. During WWII - German and Japanese WAS taught in the occupied territories of their respective powers. However, having lost the war no wide scale change was made in the languages spoken in those areas once they were liberated. Had the Axis won - things may have been different. So, while I'd agree that people in many of the nations fighting against the Central Powers in WWI wouldn't have been subjected to reeducation had the Central Powers won there is a decided tendency for that kind of thing to happen. After all ... the people who now live in Gaul don't speak Gaelic or Latin any more - they speak French and ... I do believe the Franks were a German Tribe ...

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