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Simmith
Royal Geographic Society
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Posted - 2008.04.25 09:56:00 -
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I have been flying gallente (megathron) for quite a while now but it seems I hear these odd tales of people having a hard time with the named rat at the end of vengeance. Ofcourse Im assuming its a matter of which ship you fly and what skills you have but Im getting the impression that the named rat at the end of vengeance is not a trivial feat for your typical raven mission grinder. However in my railgun megathron I really dont have any trouble with it. My damage skills for railguns are still lv4 large hybrids, lv4 gallente BS.
Did I just get the right ship for this mission or am I doing something "unusual" by sheer luck?
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:38:00 -
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1. Missiles in particular are bad against them because of defenders
2. Depends on which Vengeance you get. Some bosses are a LOT easier than others (like the Serpentis one).
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Corwain
Gallente
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:39:00 -
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Rachen spams defenders and has very high resists to some damage types. You'll have a hard time if you can't get in close or are using missiles with low HP. Apparently his actual tank isn't that tough though I swear he boosts 1/8-1/4 of his shields every 10-20 secs. Very disheartening to reload and his shields are back to full when you start firing again. I'd expect ships that are forced to hit his high resists have the most probs. That and cruise ravens.
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Simmith
Royal Geographic Society
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Simmith on 25/04/2008 10:41:24
maybe i should specify, I always get the sansha version of vengeance.
that and I nail him dead from about 60-80km
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Simmith
Royal Geographic Society
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:51:00 -
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actually, could it have anything to do with the fact that i use navy ammo exclusively?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:13:00 -
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People almost exclusively complain about the Guristas version of Vengeance, where the "end boss" is a Raven that boosts 1k shield every 10 seconds (75% chance) alongside a roughly 30 shield/sec peak passive recharge and a 25% chance to shoot down missiles... and the complaints come from people doing the mission in a missile-boat.
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Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:31:00 -
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Yea, I get the Angel Version so its Hoboruk Moon for me.
Flying A Nighthawk it can be a real pain to take him down. he shoots down 2 or 3 out of every salvo of 6 heavy missiles that when hit only do 110ish damage (havoc to fit his weakest resist, with the kinetic dmg boost on NH I actually get 10 dmg less per hit)
Best tactic I have found to get him is to persue him until he reaches his maximum distance of 100km from the battlestation, where he turns around then I can get in under 10km of him so his defenders cant knock out my missiles. I usually pack a few Havoc Furys just for him at the end as he tends to AB back. Once he isnt taking out my missiles he goes down fast.
Being a BC my top speed is around 10m/sec higher than his (non-AB) speed.
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DARTHxFREE
Double Indemnity
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:45:00 -
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I'f ur standard set up takes so long, just clear the area and redock/reffit.
I tried once 1,693dps, takes just over 21.5seconds
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Mercedes Nubbin
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:11:00 -
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 Originally by: DARTHxFREE
I tried once 1,693dps, takes just over 21.5seconds
would you like to share a setup that does that kind of damage?
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Stormer1
Gallente
NorCorp Security
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:09:00 -
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Easy...i had the same problem.
Solution:
1-remove all your launchers, fit torps
2- Fit an ab
3-bcu's in lows as far as cpu allows
4-fire up the ab, then hit approatch.
5-Dont fire at him before he fires at you= you will get really close. He is usually dead before i manage to get into bumpingrange
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:54:00 -
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For enemies of the correct time (and Gallente vs guristas certainly counts) gunboats actually have a higher dps than missiles, *especially* once you factor in defenders.
The gurista vengeance boss (who generates most of the complaints) is a defender missile spewing madman with a huge tank. Low skilled raven pilots simply may not be able to kill him with cruises.
That was my experience the first time I ran into him - couldn't break his tank with even caldary navy cruise missiles. So I docked, put on an AB and torp missiles, and melted him in short order.
Since then I've gotten a couple million more skill points in missiles, better BCU's, and most importantly, increased my drone control radius to exceed the bosses orbit radius, so I could add in my drone dps. Last time I fought him I just used my normal cruise setup and he died in short order.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Hanneshannes on 25/04/2008 14:04:38
Eh, I usually refit. My missile skills aren't that far up there yet, only got about 1.4M SP in missiles.
Either use torps or an ab + target painter.
Also fit a nos for that rachen guy, it makes him far far far less likely to use his uber booster.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/04/2008 14:09:07
I can already kill Rachen from my Drake... either CN Scourge and no AB, or T1 Scourge and an AB, either one works just fine.
T1 scourge without AB works too, but takes a bit too long for my taste... usually in the middle of the second reload or so.
Originally by: Mercedes Nubbin
Originally by: DARTHxFREE
I tried once 1,693dps, takes just over 21.5seconds
would you like to share a setup that does that kind of damage?
I can only assume it's a faction/officer pimped setup with at least 3 damage mods, faction ammo and all damage-related implants he could muster 
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DARTHxFREE
Double Indemnity
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Posted - 2008.04.25 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Mercedes Nubbin
Originally by: DARTHxFREE
I tried once 1,693dps, takes just over 21.5seconds
would you like to share a setup that does that kind of damage?
I can only assume it's a faction/officer pimped setup with at least 3 damage mods, faction ammo and all damage-related implants he could muster
I can only wish it was as easy as you say , no it was all that +neutron blasters +overload +4 dmg mods
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Chigger Troutslayer
The Intergalactic Federation
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Posted - 2008.04.25 18:23:00 -
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I was unable to kill Raychen in the Gurista version with a cruise missile Raven. Switching out a shield boost amp for a 100mn AB and getting in close where his defenders cant pop my missiles and my Hammerheads can do their thing is all it took to melt him like butter. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.26 01:45:00 -
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training ewar drone interfacing so rachen is in drone range works wonders as well.
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Cockta
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Posted - 2008.04.26 11:25:00 -
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Just did Vengeance against Guristas in my Navy Raven. Melted boss with wrath cruises (didn't bother to change ammo) in 2-3 mins. I presume all depends on skills + equipment.
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NRGsting
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Posted - 2008.04.26 11:46:00 -
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I am 3 mil sp pilot and kill the Raychen guy after I clear everything in the room, redock and fit an AB. In my experience,, if you don't get close enough to the guy (5km) there's no chance in hell you'll break his tank with heavy missiles no matter how good your skills are. I also use CN scourge for the guy to do the job faster.
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NRGsting
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Posted - 2008.04.26 11:47:00 -
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I am 3 mil sp pilot and kill the Raychen guy after I clear everything in the room, redock and fit an AB. In my experience,, if you don't get close enough to the guy (5km) there's no chance in hell you'll break his tank with heavy missiles no matter how good your skills are. I also use CN scourge for the guy to do the job faster.
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NRGsting
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Posted - 2008.04.26 11:48:00 -
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Sry,, for double post. Not my fault .. some kind of server error
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Iguanoid
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Posted - 2008.04.28 07:09:00 -
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Refit after everything and go in with an AB, or just go in with an AB at the beginning and dont refit at all. Once you get close the guristas boss dies quite fast, but orbitting at 50km as it like to do will make it a tedious affair for a missile users. Once it hits structure it pops very fast.
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Hayward Cyprus
Caldari
Cyprus Limited
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Posted - 2008.04.28 10:46:00 -
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No Problem with (high skill) Cerberus.
But yeah general tips are, get in drone range, get under defender missile range.
I used 56 Volleys from range, 40 Volley close up, CNR with 7 Cruise made it without one reload. But skills matter a whole lot here, for low SP characters either use torp or try and get close and use drones/get under defender range (depending on your missile skills between 15km and 20km range is enough. Don't attack him right away, fly towards him until something attacks, then go for dmg.
Also if unsure, just bring all missile types so you can test his lowest resists (I use KIN).
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Adeena Torcfist
Caldari
Dark Underground Forces
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Posted - 2008.05.01 03:33:00 -
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faction fitted Cerb nails that last ratt.
hower, a T2 fitted Cerb would also nail him. come to think of it, hes actually quite easy. I find Zor harder, i either stick with 1 ammo type, or change ammo types on the fly, for his weakest 
if u cant kill him, sorry, but u shouldnt be doing level 4's
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Bom Bolenath
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Posted - 2008.05.05 21:36:00 -
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Got so I was doing this one (against Guristas/Mysuna) without any refit, in a plain vanilla cruise raven (rigged, tho).
Two options: 1.) fit an AB so you can close on him.
2.) Fit a drone link augmentor so your 5 medium drones get on him.
I preferred the latter when I was doing Cal Navy missions. IIRC, with faction missiles, I was taking him out without a reload.
Easy enough? Don't jump out and refit unless absolutely necessary. Isn't it a long crawl back through the first several gates in Vengeance?
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.05 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bom Bolenath
Got so I was doing this one (against Guristas/Mysuna) without any refit, in a plain vanilla cruise raven (rigged, tho).
Two options: 1.) fit an AB so you can close on him.
2.) Fit a drone link augmentor so your 5 medium drones get on him.
I preferred the latter when I was doing Cal Navy missions. IIRC, with faction missiles, I was taking him out without a reload.
Easy enough? Don't jump out and refit unless absolutely necessary. Isn't it a long crawl back through the first several gates in Vengeance?
No it isn't you will land right ontop of the gates.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.05 23:11:00 -
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Last time I delt with Rachen was helping a younger player finish his mission. Since I had no ide if I could "trust" this guy I showed up in a PvP blasterthron with MWD swaped for AB. Rachen didn't live very long once I got in range even though I couldn't web him.
Useing Rails+kinitic drones the result will be the same but take slightly longer. Raven needs to AB right up to his face and fire point blank where the defenders are useless. Takes about a full clip from arbi cruise launchers to get the job done then.
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ProfessorDoctor Bob
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Posted - 2008.05.06 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan
Last time I delt with Rachen was helping a younger player finish his mission. Since I had no ide if I could "trust" this guy I showed up in a PvP blasterthron with MWD swaped for AB. Rachen didn't live very long once I got in range even though I couldn't web him.
Useing Rails+kinitic drones the result will be the same but take slightly longer. Raven needs to AB right up to his face and fire point blank where the defenders are useless. Takes about a full clip from arbi cruise launchers to get the job done then.
Funny, Webs seem to work perfectly fine on Rachen
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.06 09:17:00 -
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They didn't two years ago....He used to be imune to all forms of EWAR and it sucked. I didn't even try to web him a few nights ago. just followed and shot him in the back.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.06 14:14:00 -
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What's the point of bringing MWD to deadspace :P
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Dezzereth
Two Swords Guild
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Posted - 2008.05.06 14:21:00 -
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I killed Rachen, the Guristas Vengeance Boss, in a torp Raven before and after the torp changes. Never had any problem with him, didn't even had to reload. DPS was in the usual range for a 7 Siege Launcher CNR with 3 BCUs (no _bermodules), though I also killed him a few times in a regular torp raven with Arb Sieges.
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