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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.26 12:56:00 -
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I am currently in the process of drawing the lines for a Mutual investment fund whose plan I will post later, I would like to know if there are any of you that for various reasons are currently unable to make full use of their assets/resources, what those amount to and if they are willing to provide those as social capital for the mutual benefit of the parties involved.
Please note that this is a survey thread and not a discussion (that will follow later).
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.04.26 14:35:00 -
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 Originally by: LRN
I am currently in the process of drawing the lines for a highly secure Mutual investment fund whose plan I will post later
After your failed attempts at scams, there is nothing you can run that is "highly secure", ever. After all, the first part of a confidence heist is fooling the mark that nothing can go wrong. Originally by: LRN
I would like to know if there are any of you that for various reasons are currently unable to make full use of their assets/resources (time, BPOs, liquidities), what those amount to and if they are willing to provide / allocate them as social capital for the mutual benefit of the parties involved.
" Social capital" Originally by: Wikipedia
those tangible substances [that] count for most in the daily lives of people: namely good will, fellowship, sympathy, and social intercourse among the individuals and families who make up a social unit....The individual is helpless socially, if left to himself....If he comes into contact with his neighbor, and they with other neighbors, there will be an accumulation of social capital, which may immediately satisfy his social needs and which may bear a social potentiality sufficient to the substantial improvement of living conditions in the whole community. The community as a whole will benefit by the co÷peration of all its parts, while the individual will find in his associations the advantages of the help, the sympathy, and the fellowship of his neighbors.
Given the dishonest nature of your past attempts, given the way you use opportunities to troll and flame others, given the general nature of how you post when you are logged in as YouGotRipped/Taikun... there is little good in you. What you are most likely attempting is more correctly called: Social Engineering. Originally by: LRN
Please note that this is a survey thread and not a discussion (that will follow later).
Then post an actual survey and spare us this kind of disclaimer/control mechanism.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.26 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 26/04/2008 15:01:06
Hahah, you clearly have no background in Economics.
Social capital is a concept in business, economics, organizational behaviour, political science, public health, sociology and natural resources management that refers to connections within and between social networks. Though there are in fact a variety of inter-related definitions of this term, which has been described as "something of a cure-all"[1] for the problems of modern society, they tend to share the core idea "that social networks have value. Just as a screwdriver (physical capital) or a college education (human capital) can increase productivity (both individual and collective), so too social contacts affect the productivity of individuals and groups".[2] ""Social capital"", is a mechanism that constitutes what resources are available to who.
Note to future trolls and spiritually deluded individuals: Given the specifics of the IPO (which I won't be discussing here) I won't be receiving any funds from investors. My role will be to facilitate cohesion, communication between the decisional factors while providing consultance/auditing.
I also reserve the ability to invest myself about 3B isk.
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Robacz
Essence Trade
Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.04.26 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: LRN
Edited by: LRN on 26/04/2008 13:48:28
I am currently in the process of drawing the lines for a highly secure Mutual investment fund whose plan I will post later, I would like to know if there are any of you that for various reasons are currently unable to make full use of their assets/resources (time, BPOs, liquidities), what those amount to and if they are willing to provide / allocate them as social capital for the mutual benefit of the parties involved.
Please note that this is a survey thread and not a discussion (that will follow later).
Yes and no.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.04.26 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: LRN
Note to future trolls and spiritually deluded individuals:
What does spiritual delusion have to do with this? Or are you still trying to troll me for the fact that I'm a minister? Doesn't really matter. Originally by: LRN
I won't be receiving any funds from investors. My role will be to facilitate the cohesion, communication between the decisional factors while providing consultance/auditing.
Indeed, a scammer, a liar, and a troll/flamebaiter is providing the "auditing" of said activities. But he won't have access to any of your funds. My goodness he's investing in it himself. There is no way for this confidence man to ever get your funds. This is a 100% highly secure method after all. Run and secured by secret anonymous third parties who utilize LRN to facilitate the isk from your wallet to his without ever revealing themselves. Can anyone do the math since, according to the OP, I don't know any economics?
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.26 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 26/04/2008 15:27:24
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: LRN
I won't be receiving any funds from investors. My role will be to facilitate the cohesion, communication between the decisional factors while providing consultance/auditing.
Indeed, a scammer, a liar, and a troll/flamebaiter is providing the "auditing" of said activities. But he won't have access to any of your funds. My goodness he's investing in it himself. There is no way for this confidence man to ever get your funds. This is a 100% highly secure method after all. Run and secured by secret anonymous third parties who utilize LRN to facilitate the isk from your wallet to his without ever revealing themselves. Can anyone do the math since, according to the OP, I don't know any economics?
Obviously this is way beyond your comprehension and I don't blame you, so how about answering the survey questions and saving your trolling for the actual IPO thread?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.04.26 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: LRN
Obviously this is way beyond your comprehension and I don't blame you so how about answering the survey issues and save your trolling for the actual IPO thread?
What survey? You've still yet to place an actual survey. Furthermore, before people answer some survey you wish to put in place... should they not know the history of the person taking in details? And finally, repeatedly calling me "troll", exclusively, when I'm responding to a thread is, bluntly, nothing but flame bait. I'm not going to respond to it. However I am going to add to this discussion as I deem fit while limiting myself to the rules set out by CCP, not by some sort of limitation you would like me to have. You pointed out once that, in your mind, I'm hostile to the community and I should expect no sympathy even if you were trolling me about real life issues. And now that you want to push an IPO that you are involved in you'd like some form of consideration as well? In closing, my intent truly is not to troll you. Hidden IPO's being "remotely managed" by known past scammers (or failed scammers) is still open to critical community review. That is something you can not, and will not, avoid.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.26 15:36:00 -
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I have read your post and taken your position into consideration.
Thank you Shar.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.04.26 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: LRN
I have read your post and taken your position into consideration.
How about you slightly change the title on this thread, i.e. remove Survey, and we simply discuss some of the topics raised here. Like social capital and how it applies in Eve vs Real life. For instance, when you pointed out how little I know economics I wasn't in the least offended, I laughed. I'm of the distinct mind frame that economic theory, as developed in the real world, has only marginal application within Eve. This statement also fails to consider that economic theory only gives you tools to attempt to understand; what forces are in play; what effect are those forces having; where those forces are going; etc.; etc.. The use of theories from any real world discipline (Economic, Psychological, Theological, Political, etc..) to try to explain events in Eve always fail unless those applying the theory are willing to introduce Eve reality into the determination/application. As to your survey, might I suggest that you restart the thread, make clearly identifiable questions, and avoid adding any other commentary besides the questions themselves. This won't avoid some trolling I'm sure but it will restrain it as you are not offering any opinions or statements to with which to argue. (Though be careful in forming the questions as well.) |
LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.26 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
I'm of the distinct mind frame that economic theory, as developed in the real world, has only marginal application within Eve. This statement also fails to consider that economic theory only gives you tools to attempt to understand; what forces are in play; what effect are those forces having; where those forces are going; etc.; etc..
The use of theories from any real world discipline (Economic, Psychological, Theological, Political, etc..) to try to explain events in Eve always fail unless those applying the theory are willing to introduce Eve reality into the determination/application.
Are you sure you're not going to troll me about the difference between share capital and social capital?
hahah
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.04.26 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: LRN
Are you sure you're not going to troll me about the difference between share capital and social capital?
hahah
Absolute promise.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Finideach
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Posted - 2008.04.26 19:01:00 -
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It's not hard to setup an actual survey. Polldaddy is one of many websites offering free surveys. I had my insurance survey up in just about an hour an ended up getting 113 responses to the 10 questions. Very useful reporting functions as well - can export directly into Excel.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.04.26 19:25:00 -
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Lets put it this way. If you (LRN) are in any way attached to an IPO/Public Business Venture it will not work. Clear enough?
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.26 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 26/04/2008 19:33:15
Originally by: Shadarle
Lets put it this way. If you (LRN) are in any way attached to an IPO/Public Business Venture it will not work. Clear enough?
No. How about you sort your old stuff and provide those T1 BPOs you said you're not using.
Clear enough?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.04.26 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: LRN
Edited by: LRN on 26/04/2008 19:33:15
Originally by: Shadarle
Lets put it this way. If you (LRN) are in any way attached to an IPO/Public Business Venture it will not work. Clear enough?
No. How about you sort your old stuff and provide those T1 BPOs you said you're not using.
Clear enough?
If I wanted to have them stolen I'd place them in a container in open space and let the first person who finds them get them. Much better than letting an admitted attempted-scammer like yourself have them.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.26 23:31:00 -
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LRN, surely you can find a more gullible audience elsewhere for your no doubt valuable services. |
Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.27 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: LRN
Edited by: LRN on 26/04/2008 18:11:29
Edited by: LRN on 26/04/2008 13:48:28
I am currently in the process of drawing the lines for a highly secure Mutual investment fund whose plan I will post later, I would like to know if there are any of you that for various reasons are currently unable to make full use of their assets/resources (time, BPOs, liquidities), what those amount to and if they are willing to provide / allocate them as social capital for the mutual benefit of the parties involved.
All there is to see here is abject failure. You have done nothing to prove otherwise. If you do start to prove otherwise, we can try having this conversation again.
Director | www.eve-bank.net
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.27 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 27/04/2008 07:24:02
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: LRN
Edited by: LRN on 26/04/2008 19:33:15
Originally by: Shadarle
Lets put it this way. If you (LRN) are in any way attached to an IPO/Public Business Venture it will not work. Clear enough?
No. How about you sort your old stuff and provide those T1 BPOs you said you're not using.
Clear enough?
If I wanted to have them stolen I'd place them in a container in open space and let the first person who finds them get them. Much better than letting an admitted attempted-scammer like yourself have them.
There is a difference between a prolific imagination and malevolence / paranoid behavior. I'm not the only one who thinks you've crossed that a long time ago, am I?
Originally by: Hexxx
All there is to see here is abject failure. You have done nothing to prove otherwise. If you do start to prove otherwise, we can try having this conversation again.
The original tag of this thread was [SURVEY], I have decided to lose that and grant Shar his one wish... for reasons I rather not discuss here.
Originally by: Tasko Pal
LRN, surely you can find a more gullible audience elsewhere for your no doubt valuable services.
The difference between "you got ripped" and "you got scammed" is measured in customer satisfaction, however my interest for this game (and the thread's topic in particular) pertains to R&D rather than dealing with ordinary individuals.
With the community's help I will restructure the acceptance and usage of certain investment instruments, the organizational chart and dimensions of trading/manufacturing corps with the sole purpose of increasing efficiency and profit in the current highly competitive environment that is the Eve market.
Of course, one of the major challenges that this undertaking posed was lowering the risk factor for the potential investors while preserving the scale and magnitude required by the system. It will suffice to say that the model I'm proposing has solved the issue.
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Segge Bolled
Caldari
Dirty Sexy Pilots
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.04.27 09:18:00 -
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Just to pull you up on one thing,
Originally by: LRN
The difference between "you got ripped" and "you got scammed" is measured in customer satisfaction,
Now, unless there is some sort of fiscal double entendre at work here which I'm not aware of, I'm pretty sure that they're both the same thing: Someone exclaiming "**** me! I've been robbed blind!". Measurement really being moot, at least until they ask themselves whether to use the Large Blasters or the Capital Large Blasters on your hide. 
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Salisuka
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.27 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: LRN
With the community's help I will restructure the acceptance and usage of certain investment instruments, the organizational chart and dimensions of trading/manufacturing corps with the sole purpose of increasing efficiency and profit in the current highly competitive environment that is the Eve market.
Of course, one of the major challenges that this undertaking posed was lowering the risk factor for the potential investors while preserving the scale and magnitude required by the system. It will suffice to say that the model I'm proposing has solved the issue.
This thread (originally a survey) is aimed at appraising the availability of certain resources the project will require and community's attitude. My person is unimportant for the success of a potential franchise, the community is not, I will allocate some time and effort to perfecting the details once I receive sufficient feedback and the project plan is posted.
I didn't understand a single word of that. Break it down into simple english for me please. And answer this for me ..
1) What kind of resources are you looking for? Minerals? t1 ships?
2) When you say social capital, does it mean the resources i'm willing to risk by giving to you without collateral? Sorry, i'm not clear as to what it means for eve.
3) Is there a minimum amount of "social capital" that you're looking for?
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Roguehalo
Caldari
RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.04.27 14:17:00 -
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I don't particularly agree with the way anything you post is automatically trolled and flamed by certain members of this community. And I wouldn't particularly agree if those self same members claimed that they were 'doing the community a service' by exposing this that or the other. I myself have claimed on other threads that the ops were scammers. Those threads sank without trace. Riethes' alter ego Lady Arthe springs immediately to mind.
However you do seem to constantly shoot yoursef in the foot by failing to realise that posting a constant stream of ideas without actually completing any of them to fruition isn't the best way to persuade members of this forum to take you seriously 
Incidentally I didn't complete either of my 2 ideas to fruition either, mainly because I realised that I didn't actually need the investment capital but was just enjoying the attention. I did however, pay out all of the interest I promised.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.04.27 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
I don't particularly agree with the way anything you post is automatically trolled and flamed by certain members of this community. And I wouldn't particularly agree if those self same members claimed that they were 'doing the community a service' by exposing this that or the other.
Well for myself, I was previously not inclined to give the OP's posts a bypass. I've always found that to show friendship you allow another license, you don't force a strict adherence to standards/tradition/community tenets. If you really don't like someone you don't have to attack them or actively sabotage them... you just don't give them a break of any kind. However, when it comes down to the IPO market and community I don't troll. I really try to give critical review. This either helps the OP to plug in holes in the prospectus or realize vulnerabilities in the plan that they hadn't realized. At this time I'm very grateful to accept the OP's kind offer of truce between us. It served neither of us any good imho. Originally by: Roguehalo
However you do seem to constantly shoot yoursef in the foot by failing to realise that posting a constant stream of ideas without actually completing any of them to fruition isn't the best way to persuade members of this forum to take you seriously.
I will agree with this. I'm waiting to hear the ideas here, to see what is going on, before I add anything more to this thread. (Well I was!) Even if past history tell us to not trust the OP there is nothing wrong with seeing his idea. He may actually be right and there might be nothing he could do to scam the investors. Stranger things have happened.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Ortos
Abyssus Incendia
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.27 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: LRN
The difference between "you got ripped" and "you got scammed" is measured in customer satisfaction
Thats pure gold right there. Sounds like just the kind of persion I'd like to do buisness with. =p
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