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Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2008.04.28 05:18:00 - [1] Not enough food ...
Ryan Scouse'UK omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.28 05:23:00 - [2] Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 28/04/2008 05:34:27 - - - meh not allowed to point my view.
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2008.04.28 07:28:00 - [3] Fatty needs to be thanking them for it. Not suing for it. He has lost 100 pounds and hes suing for it? Its true. We will sue over anything. Its also incredibly ********. Our judicial system is crap. --- My cat Putter approves of this post. Be a Ninja! You know you want too: http://www.animecubed.com/billy/?Kravick
DevilBunny Caldari Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.04.28 07:44:00 - [4] He should just be happy he didn't have to do the Algorithm March ----
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2008.04.28 07:57:00 - [5] Its a jail not a house warming party Also send him to Africa and then see will he complain about getting any food dam this suing culture just silly. Trinity Corporate Services
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2008.04.28 09:21:00 - [6] This is just the usual press over reaction to a small part of the lawsuit. Less reported is that the lawsuit is also asking for hot meals to be served as they only serve cold food. Doesn't seem particularly unfair to me. -------------------- What? Me Worry? --------------------
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.04.28 10:12:00 - [7] Yeah, keep starving those cons and next time they might even be able to run away from the police. Seriously, man had like 14 stone in obesity and lost 7 of it. I'd call that an upside. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.28 11:11:00 - [8] That is a 3 pound loss per week. Any judge that lets this go past the initial hearings needs to have their head checked. Slade
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.04.28 11:32:00 - [9] They should publish a diet. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.04.28 11:40:00 - [10] If he gets any success in this then............. wtf I just don't know any more. _______________________________________
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.28 11:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Elliot Reid If he gets any success in this then............. wtf I just don't know any more. It shouldn't if the states attorney does things right. Any half witted exercise physiologist could easily explain why this amount of weight loss is completely acceptable. Plus judges have become a little more hesitant with letting these frivilous lawsuites go to trial anymore. They are not good for the carrer at the head of the bench. But then again we are not short of craziness now days. Slade Slade
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.04.28 13:35:00 - [12] The cops should take courses in whale harpooning so they know where to shoot fatty to never have to haul his fat ass to prison to begin with. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.04.28 14:15:00 - [13] Having lived in university residence catered by Aramark, I do not see how anyone could loose weight off their meals unless that person's previous diet was non-stop cheeseburgers and potato chips (aka crisps).
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Exxxotic	Posted - 2008.04.28 14:20:00 - [14] let fatty lose a pew pounds, his a criminal, give him what the others get, no more
Roxanna Kell Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.28 14:26:00 - [15] After an argument. In africa, I ll kill you Asia, I ll torture you Europe, I ll ** you up. USA, I Will sue your a.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Exxxotic	Posted - 2008.04.28 15:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Roxanna Kell After an argument. In africa, I ll kill you Asia, I ll torture you Europe, I ll ** you up. USA, I Will sue your a. in the uk - we will do squat about it, and allow u to live better than people who work so that we dont breach ur human rights
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.28 17:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Xtreem let fatty lose a pew pounds, his a criminal, give him what the others get, no more Actually, he's not a criminal. If you read the article, you'll see that he's still on trial. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries	Posted - 2008.04.28 17:37:00 - [18] I think I prefer the US Military method of Prisoner Well-being. Fort Levenworth (sp?) is good example. Hard Labor: You are in a square compund with a station at each corner. You have a bucket. At Station 1, there is sand/rock/gravel. At Station 2, there is cement. At Station 3, water. At Station 4, you will use the materials gathered from the other stations to make bricks. (and you have a quota to meet) The compund is bordered by 2 fences. If you are between the fences, you are shot. Period. The guards can shoot you with minimal cause. The guards are only in trouble if you escape. (In Military prisons, you have NO rights.) In the civilian sector, there's a certain Arizona sheriff who I'd love to have out this way. When it was decreed that the jails were over-crowded and some prisoners would have to be released early, he bought Army surplus tents to house prisoners. Objections were quickly stifled by "These tents are good enough for our men in the Service." Jail facilities are required to have cable TV, so Cable TV is supplied....with most channels locked out. They get Disney, Discovery, and other educational channels. No HBO, no hit movies, no R-rated content. We're not completely messed up over here....yet. _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
kor anon Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.04.28 17:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Xtreem in the uk - we will do squat about it, and allow u to live better than people who work so that we dont breach ur human rights this. I really get annoyed with our country at times, people are too damn afraid to offend anyone. Especially the politicians they need to grow some balls
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2008.04.28 18:40:00 - [20] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Xtreem in the uk - we will do squat about it, and allow u to live better than people who work so that we dont breach ur human rights this. I really get annoyed with our country at times, people are too damn afraid to offend anyone. Especially the politicians they need to grow some balls Oh dear. Have you guys ever set foot in a UK prison? I've been to a few, including Oakham, Nottingham and Walton (Ryan's local for when he gets caught ) and conditions there are not half as pleasant as the moral "majority" seem to think. Which particular aspects of prison life strike you as better than being on the outside and in employment? Do you actually know anything about conditions inside other than what you hear from the bloke down the pub? A lot of these places were built before the start of the 20th Century and are falling down around the ears of the staff and inmates. Sanitary facilities are woefully inadequate and overcrowding reached unaaceptable levels decades ago and has only got worse since. Don't take my word for it... go and have a look for yourself if you're interested. A lot of UK prisons have the occasional open day for various reasons, usually recruitment of staff or volunteers, and it's quite easy to get a place at one of these. It'd give you a little bit more of an insight into what serving time in one of HM's Hotels is really like, although admittedly, the guides who show you around are keen to gloss over certain aspects, but you've got eyes haven't you? Failing that, have a chat to someone who's been there, rather than reading the Telegraph, Sun, Daily Mail et al and frothing outrage over a few bitters down the local. Prison is supposed to be about re-habilitation, as well as punishment, but they ALL fall well short of the mark, as recidivism rates will show you. If you treat folk like worthless scum, after a while, that's what you'll have. Here's a linky to some research some of you may be familiar with from psychology studies, the Stanford Prison Experiment, that proves the point. The UK now imprisons more of it's population per capita than any other Western European nation, in addition to having a horrendous record on human rights abuses for a supposedly "civilised" nation. Whilst there have been recent initiatives to address the problems with releasing long-term inmates back into the community, prison in the UK is still far more about punishment than it is about rehabilitation and restorative justice ( a concept seeming alien to the UK mentality), and whilst we have vengeful morons who don't realise the harm this does whining about the supposedly "soft" lifestyle, this is going to be difficult to change. Perhaps if you have strong feelings about this, it would be better to look at UK society and see if there is anything you can do about adressing the root causes of criminality, rather than whining about percieved softness in the system that is supposed to be there to lessen it. As for prisoners suing for human rights abuses, fair enough I'd say. Just because you did something bad enough to be locked up for it, it doesn't entitle other folk to treat you like a sub-human. Where's the restorative or rehabilitative potential in that? Just a thought. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
kor anon Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.04.28 19:51:00 - [21] As far as im concerned a criminal deserves no human rights
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2008.04.28 20:17:00 - [22] Edited by: Jago Kain on 28/04/2008 20:18:03 edited for bad seplling Originally by: kor anon As far as im concerned a criminal deserves no human rights This is exactly the kind of attitude that perpetuates the status quo and makes it difficult to change things. Ever break any laws kor? Ever exceed the speed limit, park somewhere you shouldn't, swear at someone in a public place, get drunk in public, get into a fight, fail to seperate your recycling before putting it out for collection, stand around with a group of two or more mates (in the UK, not sure about elsewhere), drop litter, take a sweetie from the pick and mix counter at Woolies as a child not old enough to understand the concept of money, walk the dog and forget to take a scooper, wear a t-shirt with a humourous (but potentially offensive) slogan, make a comment designed to provoke someone, etc., etc.? Show me a person who has never committed a crime, and I will show you a liar. Admittedly, there are degrees of criminality, but your blanket statement appears to ignore that. Did you mean that criminals who commit the more serious offences deserve no rights and that less serious criminals are entitled to them? If so; where do you draw the line? When does an offence become serious enough for the state, and it's agents, to abrogate it's observance of human rights legislation? Have a bit of a think about what you say before you say it, there's a good chap, and if you can't bring anything more than slogans and vitriol to the discussion, have the decency to stay quiet please. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Sereifex Daku Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.28 20:19:00 - [23] Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 28/04/2008 20:20:07 Originally by: Jago Kain Originally by: kor anon As far as im concerned a criminal deserves no human rights This is exactly the kind of attitude that perpetuates the status quo and makes it difficult to change things. Ever break any laws kor? Ever exceed the speed limit, park somewhere you shouldn't, swear at someone in a public place, get drunk in public, get into a fight, fail to seperate your recycling before putting it out for collection, stand around with a group of two or more mates (in the UK, not sure about elsewhere), drop litter, take a sweetie from the pick and mix counter at Woolies as a child not old enough to understand the concept of money, walk the dog and forget to take a scooper, wear a t-shirt with a humourous (but potentially offensive) slogan, make a comment designed to provoke someone, etc., etc.? Show me a person who has never committed a crime, and I will show you a liar. Admittedly, there are degrees of criminality, but your blanket staement appears to ignore that. Did you mean that criminals who commit the more serious offences deserve no rights and that less serious criminals are entitled to them? If so; where do you draw the line? When does an offence become serious enough for the state, and it's agents, to abrogate it's observance of human rights legislation? Have a bit of a think about what you say before you say it, there's a good chap, and if you can't bring anything more than slogans and vitriol to the discussion, have the decency to stay quiet please. Oh come now, your examples are extremely trivial 'crimes'. There is a big difference between going a few miles over the speed limit and saying "I'm bored, I think I shall go out and stab someone for teh lolz". The guy you responded to was obviously referring to REAL criminals. You are right, of course, when you say that we are all guilt of something, but the problem is that the punishment no longer fits the crime. If I get fined a hefty sum for overspeeding then i expect the lowest of criminals to endure harsh punishments.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2008.04.28 21:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Oh come now, your examples are extremely trivial 'crimes'. There is a big difference between going a few miles over the speed limit and saying "I'm bored, I think I shall go out and stab someone for teh lolz". The guy you responded to was obviously referring to REAL criminals. You are right, of course, when you say that we are all guilt of something, but the problem is that the punishment no longer fits the crime. If I get fined a hefty sum for overspeeding then i expect the lowest of criminals to endure harsh punishments. You are indeed right, the offences I listed are trivial... for the most part. However, folk can, and do, go to prison for them. Not so much for nicking sweeties, but certainly for the various public order offences. The point I was trying to illustrate is, do you write someone off as purely "a criminal" because they made a mistake that thousands of other people have made and lock 'em up and throw away the key, or do you make an effort to re-educate and re-habilitate in order to lessen the risk in future? Given that most folk serving custodial sentances will be released back into the community at some point, it sould make sense to have them rehabilitated and wanting to do well, rather than vengeful and bitter for the years inside would it not? The example you raise of someone stabbing someone else "for teh lolz" is rare in the extreme, and certainly someone who stabbed another person purely for amusement would be more likely to end up in a secure psychiatric facility than a prison. Oddly enough, the focus there would be more on understanding the factors leading to the offence and rehabilitating the offender, than it would be on punishment. As for REAL criminals. Again, where do you draw the line? What constitutes a REAL crime as opposed to a trivial one? We've all seen the public information films telling us why speeding is a bad idea. Surely someone who speeds " a few miles over the speed limit", knowing the likely consequences should something go wrong, is a worse criminal than someone who steals from a supermarket, a crime which isn't going to directly injure anyone else? We all know who is more likely to end up with a custodial sentance if the matters go to court. Is that the punishment fitting the crime? The issues of prison, punishment, rehabilitation and justice (both restorative and retributive) are not simple ones, and I'm sure this thread will rattle on for a bit with various opinions expressed on both sides of the fence. What drew my attention to it in the first place, were the glib and dismissive comments by people who obviously hadn't given any serious thought to the matters on which they were commenting. Lets have a debate by all means, but no more Daily Mail stylee ranting and raving please. Reaper raised another interesting point too.... technically the guy referenced in the OP's post isn't a criminal as he has yet to be convicted. Regardless of wether the large chap is eventually convicted, this leads us on to the whole subject of miscarriages of justice and how much more difficult they would be to address should prisoners have what rights they have taken away. Anyone remember Nelson Mandela? ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.04.28 21:08:00 - [25] Edited by: Fink Angel on 28/04/2008 21:09:11 Originally by: Helen Hunts In the civilian sector, there's a certain Arizona sheriff who I'd love to have out this way. When it was decreed that the jails were over-crowded and some prisoners would have to be released early, he bought Army surplus tents to house prisoners. Objections were quickly stifled by "These tents are good enough for our men in the Service." Jail facilities are required to have cable TV, so Cable TV is supplied....with most channels locked out. They get Disney, Discovery, and other educational channels. No HBO, no hit movies, no R-rated content. ... and that jail is still full, right? Therefore the conditions have little, if any deterrent effect. Punishment (just punishment) doesn't work. It didn't work in the 1700's, 1800's, 1900's and it doesn't work now. Give people value in their lives, training, a sense of self worth that doesn't involve the only place you fit in is in a gang, and you are on your way to having a contributing member of society. I'm with Jago Kain above. Treat people like animals and you just get animals. Edit: I have a couple of friends who are UK prison officers, and believe me, the prisons are far from luxurious places to spend your time.
Kalahari Wayrest Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.04.28 21:10:00 - [26] Edited by: Kalahari Wayrest on 28/04/2008 21:13:32 Quote: The point I was trying to illustrate is, do you write someone off as purely "a criminal" because they made a mistake I think that's the cruz of how I feel about it really. I mean...(and keep in mind I'm a bit squiffy) of all the possibilities and all the decisions you could make at every junction in your life. There are so many mistakes I could have made. Which doesn't excuse it - whats done is done. But. I can't help but think if a certain situation unfolded...there are certain crimes I could have comitted myself. Murder is wrong. But given the right set of circumstances I could do it. edit: is it wrong that I read Quote: Laswell's suit was filed without a lawyer in U.S. District Court in Fayetteville. as Fattyville __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.28 23:25:00 - [27] Originally by: kor anon As far as im concerned a criminal deserves no human rights HE'S NOT A CRIMINAL!!! He hasn't been convicted yet, hence he's not a criminal. Gotta love how easily everyone seems to be glossing over the "awaiting trial" bit. Everyone just sees "fat guy in jail complaining about lack of food" and everyone gets up in arms because a lowly prison inmate shouldn't be allowed to complain about such things. The fact that he may yet be released gets overlooked. I'm not even going to go into the debate over whether or not criminals deserve human rights. Yours certainly seems to be an alarming viewpoint. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Roxanna Kell Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.29 02:00:00 - [28] I knew this thread will be fun, It just had to go into the ethics of prion. I had to write 3 essays in relation to that 2 for philosophy, and 1 for psychology. So, i will pass. Quote: There is no Dishonor in winning fools, so do it any way you can.
Rutefly Amarr Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.29 10:19:00 - [29] Id personally advocate that idiots dont deserve human rights. That at least will accomplish alot of good things in the world. Hard to police though, and that makes me sad . Also the article quotes: "If we are in a small pod all day (and) do next to nothing for physical exercise, we should not lose weight." OMG! Its healthy to play eve-online even ? I think thats quite a revelation.
Khadur Minmatar Black Water.	Posted - 2008.04.29 11:06:00 - [30] I support fat people

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