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TRIGGERS
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Posted - 2004.04.25 21:34:00 -
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Stain Alliance Proposes NAP with XETIC/IF Alliance
Stain Alliance is proposing a Non Aggression Pact with the XETIC/Immensea Federation Alliance to end all hostile actions between these two great alliances and withdraw military presences from the relevant regions of space.
This NAP is active from the time it is signed by representatives of the Xetic alliance and hostile standings shall be adjusted accordingly. Hopefully this will lead to better future relations between our great nations and any future mistakes can be resolved in time and peacefully.
This is the first official proposal due to previous sa pilot errors.
Signed,
Stain Alliance.
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Sandokan
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Posted - 2004.04.25 21:55:00 -
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Xetic/IF Alliance accept the NAP with SA
Sandokan
Chief Diplomat Xetic Alliance
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.04.25 22:06:00 -
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u guys shoulda never gone to war in the first place.
Reverend Necrona |
Lallante
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Posted - 2004.04.25 22:09:00 -
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rofl. Sandoken I talked to you tonight on TS, before I knew this.
Dont you see that this just totally backs up what I was saying?
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
ShinRa
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Kimpan
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Posted - 2004.04.25 22:14:00 -
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lol why agree ?, if they start to fight u let them pay the price now when they want nap back. |
Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2004.04.25 22:15:00 -
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It takes courage to admit SA Pilot error, I think this is a good step towards a better mutual understanding and relationship.
We at Celestial Horizon look forward to a peaceful relationship with our neighbour.
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olyyy
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Posted - 2004.04.25 23:01:00 -
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I represent L'Empire (IF member).
We will wait 24 hours before making any official statement.
Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 ) |
Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.04.26 02:19:00 -
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There are some personal feelings I'm not going to hide in this complex landscape (correct me if I'm wrong in any of them),
* SA is working with evolution and thus moo against CA. This is the main issue that I don't like in regards to SA policy. Evolution and moo is a scurge of every alliance, attacking neutral ships indiscriminately including our ships. Its disappointing to see alliances working with pirate groups for short term gain. In SA, I've grown to like the Collective fellas in the past few weeks. They are good to talk to and very rational in the field and its sad to imagine them siding with evol just to attack CA.
* In regards to CA, someone mentioned to me that CA will be ****ed at this renewed NAP. I thought about it for a second and noted that,
1) We are independent and fought SA because of of OUR problems with SA, not any external problem to our alliance.
2) We have been fighting ATUK for some time now in our space with CA insisting that it was OUR fault that this CA member was attacking us. ATUK again leaves CA to rejoined their pirate friends Moo. I warned CA about this earlier but CA insisted ATUK was justified in their attacks on us. Technically, CA was breaking the NAP with us and now our view is justified. The only one rightfully ****ed here should be our side.
This entire political mess has reconfirmed one thing for me. Trust your own and don't get involved closely with any external group unless you know them very well.
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rofl. Sandoken I talked to you tonight on TS, before I knew this. Dont you see that this just totally backs up what I was saying?
Could of acted earlier.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2004.04.26 02:26:00 -
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NAP at any promise of peace... as usual. 
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Capt Hindgrinder
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Posted - 2004.04.26 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Primer Xenius
* In regards to CA, someone mentioned to me that CA will be ****ed at this renewed NAP. I thought about it for a second and noted that,
2) We have been fighting ATUK for some time now in our space with CA insisting that it was OUR fault that this CA member was attacking us. ATUK again leaves CA to rejoined their pirate friends Moo. I warned CA about this earlier but CA insisted ATUK was justified in their attacks on us. Technically, CA was breaking the NAP with us and now our view is justified. The only one rightfully ****ed here should be our side.
could of acted earlier.
1. You better think about it long and hard.
2. If we broke the NAP and your're p|ssed, please...declare war on us. "Warnings" will be laughed at.
3. L'Empire, those stations of yours look juicy.
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John Bishop
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Posted - 2004.04.26 05:17:00 -
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ill venture a few words and risk ****ing off old freinds.
Xetic your making a mistake,SA cant be trused and most of you know this. thats why Colossus Technologies broke an Alliance that was forged in early beta, to join CA. we knew what was going to eventually happen. War with Stain. It happened.
now Stain want to be all buddy buddy with you again. i have a feeling the nap you have just signed will only grow anamosity and grief, and will soon spill over into war again.
the Core Xetic members are and always will be freinds of Ctech. but your making a mistake and im afraid the consiquinces are somthing we will not be able to help you with.
Good luck Xetic, and may i be wrong.
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sorry for the spelling and gramtic errors,,, im a redneck cowboy what did you expect anyways????
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.04.26 06:16:00 -
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now Stain want to be all buddy buddy with you again. i have a feeling the nap you have just signed will only grow anamosity and grief, and will soon spill over into war again.
Most NAP's end in some kind of conflict sooner or later, mostly because you're trying to keep hundreds of people from firing at eachother in an active warzone, mistakes are bound to happen.
Anyway, it's nice to have something in writing, the last few weeks have been a bit confusing =/
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Grumpf
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Posted - 2004.04.26 07:24:00 -
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I appreciate Triggers post.
Since beta XETIC has been a trader's alliance. We are no strict pvp force as some other alliances. Our prime interest is the trade part of the game. That is why we are generally interested in a good relationship with all of our neighbours.
It also explains why we are trying to adopt a neutral/friendly stance to other alliances.
Still we were attacked from various factions in the last few weeks and so we had to fight back, which we did. When the NAP with SA fell apart we had to prove that we are not as carebearish as most people thought we were.
After that goal was archieved, we however aim for a reestablishment of a good relationship. Also since we got attacked from other parties. We do not want to fight a neverending war for unknown goals. And thus we decided to accept that offer.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.04.26 07:30:00 -
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Couple of things:
- Evolution is working against CA probably (although they work closely with M0o)
- M0o is working against everyone they don't like. Well even people they like just to have fun :)
- CA keeps on trying to "kick but" with their alt corps in CFS space and their main forces sometimes camp a system there for an hour or take over a station for 5 mins.
Overal i think xetic/if have made the right choice because when they have war with SA they could end up warring with half of EVE since SA works with a number of alliances for example CFS& FA.
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.04.26 07:56:00 -
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If that happend, I think one of 2 things would happen.
1.)XETIC/IF would just suck it up and fight, but eventually lose due to being outnumberd and fighting seasond vets.
2.) XETIC/IF see's that it would be out matched by the combined axis of evil! (m0o, evol, SA, FA, CFS, anyone else that doens't like CA  ) and would then Join CA, giving CA a total of 15 regions under it's control/influence. And would then have a power base of probabley well over 2-3k members. Thus, CA would then lay waste (again) to all it's said enemy's! Muahahahaha!
Then the rest of Eve combines together to fight the Red Mennace (CA). Which would make it a two side galactic battle in which The Red (CA) would be against The Yellow (everyone else).
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Tansien
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Posted - 2004.04.26 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cardassius
Couple of things:
- Evolution is working against CA probably (although they work closely with M0o)
- M0o is working against everyone they don't like. Well even people they like just to have fun :)
- CA keeps on trying to "kick but" with their alt corps in CFS space and their main forces sometimes camp a system there for an hour or take over a station for 5 mins.
Overal i think xetic/if have made the right choice because when they have war with SA they could end up warring with half of EVE since SA works with a number of alliances for example CFS& FA
You seriusly need to read up on history, XETIC had legit reasons to go to war with SA after they broke the NAP 2 times...
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.04.26 08:45:00 -
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Quote:
1. You better think about it long and hard.
2. If we broke the NAP and your're p|ssed, please...declare war on us. "Warnings" will be laughed at.
Hindgrinder, if read my post properly, you will see that my 'warning' was a warning about ATUK's intention (i.e advice) and not a threat. You can ask Lallante about that. Yet you so perfectly misunderstood it and had little hesitation to start a confrontation. If you can't comprehend what is written, do your people a service and stay away from the forums.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.04.26 09:01:00 -
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As a personal mather i had seen this comming way back before any nap was even broken, a force invades Xetic. Xetic fights back but when the other side offers an NAP they just pull up their shoulders and say: Hm ok, we want to make money anyway lets be friends.
Also i heard some Xetic corporations make advances towards CA before, in local etc. about working more closely together. Also Xetic offered many times their help that i forgot the moment they offered it since i seen this comming, so why shouldnt others in CA be ****ed about this who counted on a friendly establishment with Xetic and CA? Sure ATUK was member of CA, and that was a big mistake to my own opinion but that happens. What happend now is that SA = friends of FA, FA = friends with EVOL and they are friends of M0o and ATUK = m0o's friends.
What XETIC did now is they got themselves into a mess:
If CA breaks, and falls they WILL be next on the SA list. The attack from SA on XETIC didnt came out of the sky, there were several high ranking officers in the SA fleet who attacked XETIC so they were planning. This attack was planned and i have no doubt that it will be finished if CA is no threath to SA anymore, either through a CA/SA nap or whatever you want to fill in you never know.
If SA breaks, XETIC will be more likely be next. This set soil for a start of a bad relationship, since you cannot say: Hey thanks guys from C4/CA for helping us with the V2 station, were now at a NAP with your enemies so they can mine in peace here now. Also giving a kick in CA way like: Ah we can take a NAP with anyone and you shouldn't complain since your member who is now joining m0o force attacked us. PPL in CA do get ****ed about this and they WILL remember.
So yeah, XETIC bought themselves time. But from my personal inside view i don't think it was a good idea, SA is calling in tons of other alliances to aid them as we seen in the last few days. Personally it seemed to me like a drowning man, strugling for its last breath and grabbing everyone taking them down into the deep. Maybe they can find a li***aurd who can safe them, but even li***aurds don't safe you from a a great white shark. 
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Ribosom
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Posted - 2004.04.26 09:05:00 -
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Dreamworks, what else could u say.
All u said could be true from a SA standpoint as well.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.04.26 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ribosom
Dreamworks, what else could u say.
All u said could be true from a SA standpoint as well.
I made tons of opinions/standpoints in that post, so what are you talking about?
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.04.26 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tansien
You seriusly need to read up on history, XETIC had legit reasons to go to war with SA after they broke the NAP 2 times...
I didn't say Xetic didn't have a reason to go to war with SA. And euuhm, in eve neutrality means nothing for a lot of alliances. Especially CA.
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Mordessa
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Posted - 2004.04.26 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Mordessa on 26/04/2004 10:01:21
Originally by: Primer Xenius
Evolution and moo is a scurge of every alliance, attacking neutral ships indiscriminately including our ships.
Oh well another name for our wall.
Originally by: Primer Xenius
Its disappointing to see alliances working with pirate groups for short term gain.
Short term???
Pirate Groups??
Who the hell are you talking about?? Just about every Alliance out there have used or worked with a pirate group (or Alliance).
Hell, if you were to point a finger towards the leaders and past leaders of all the active and past Alliances in this game and say, "Your Guilty" Half or more of that group is going to silently wonder if your talking about them. The other half is going to think to themselves that nobody knows about that "Incident"
Every Alliance has its own dirty secrets, and whether you know of them or not, I will put 10:1 odds yours is no different.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.04.26 10:11:00 -
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Hey who cares anyway
Just more reasons to blow each other up..
Sounds good to me
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.04.26 10:16:00 -
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Mordessa, he was talking about alliances, so your little rant was a little bit unneccesary.
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DeeCo
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Posted - 2004.04.26 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cardassius
Originally by: Tansien
You seriusly need to read up on history, XETIC had legit reasons to go to war with SA after they broke the NAP 2 times...
I didn't say Xetic didn't have a reason to go to war with SA. And euuhm, in eve neutrality means nothing for a lot of alliances. Especially CA.
Have a real word with the Xetic guys to how many times CA have broken the NAP ? CA have not shot down Xetic ships during a bl**dy big battle, we let them pass easily while the "other" corps/aliances just shoot them down, claiming its hard to recognise them from CA.
Xetic knows that every allaince has a rogue corp, and well m0o did it, ATUK just underhandedly did it, EVOL claim they were in a war zone.
make your own minds up.
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Mordessa
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Posted - 2004.04.26 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mordessa on 26/04/2004 10:49:36
Originally by: DREAMWORKS
Mordessa, he was talking about alliances, so your little rant was a little bit unneccesary.
Wasn't really a rant, more of a statement. But if it came off as a rant, well then sorry bout that.
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The Ratfink
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Posted - 2004.04.26 10:44:00 -
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Little bit disappointing i would have thought you would learn from your mistakes and not doom to repeat them but your entirely right ITS YOUR CHOICE as for the atuk incident yes its quite sad but they were quite independant from Curse so you should have treated them that way we had no "leash" (however you spell it) on atuk but if anyone wants to know the reason why they turned on CA because they were asked to pick a side either with m0o or with CA and they chose their side.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.04.26 10:48:00 -
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Deeco, ROFL.. i know people who were shot down by CA (some people from Hegemonic corp for example).
You simply cannot trust a lot of CA corps and that's why a lot of alliances fight CA.
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The Ratfink
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Posted - 2004.04.26 10:51:00 -
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As far as i know ANY incident which ended up with xetic loosing their ship was due to their new members who don't know how things work
Incident :
Hed-GP couple of your members shoot at us in hed-gp at votf members and we ended up having to defend ourselves and kill them.
Result : Situation handled diplomatically and it was the conclusion that it was a communication problem
There have been many incidents like this but the fact that seperates us from SA was we have never intentionally brought a force together to attack Xetic
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Sundri Elaption
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Posted - 2004.04.26 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Sundri Elaption on 26/04/2004 11:01:39
Originally by: Cardassius
Deeco, ROFL.. i know people who were shot down by CA (some people from Hegemonic corp for example).
You simply cannot trust a lot of CA corps and that's why a lot of alliances fight CA.
Were CA
I don't recall any VOTF ships shooting down HC members.
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