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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.04.26 02:29:00 -
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We're gentlemen thank you very much! And my neck is very normal compared to Amarr and Caldari standards. Humph 
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Jezzebell
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Posted - 2004.04.26 02:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Malvada
Originally by: Viceroy
Oi, who're you calling no-neck lady? 
aw, did i huwt your feewings, baby?
wanna fight? i love a good fight. gets me all... excited. 
sorry, don't mean to get off topic...
*ahem* back to the question.
why, you and your goons, Roy. i mean, you are thugs, right? right?
thug (thŭg)n. - A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum, more often than not neckless and pug-nosed.
Jesus Roy, what did you do (Or didnt do at her request) to this POOR girl? Ladies, a word of advice Roy is quite the heart breaker.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.04.26 02:32:00 -
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That bounty I have is from my ex-wife 
She got the house, the industrial, the battleship. I got the peg leg and the electronic parrot... AND she still wants me dead. 
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Lamech
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Posted - 2004.04.26 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Silverlancer
Originally by: Grimster
Tell me Corp 1 isn't Ragnarok ??
Corp 2 can fight a war as they see fit IMHO, not really my approach but each to his own I guess.
Correct . And IMO wars should have to be for a reason--corps shouldn't be able to declare war for the sole purpose of being able to gank people.
Please....whine some more about a perfectly legal part of the game. The only reason you shoot back is because you are too dumb to do so....quit complaining and actually do some scouting and corp research and make an assault on them...If your way is not to fight then hire a merc corp...and contact me if that is the option you want to take.
the BIG L
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Lamech
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Posted - 2004.04.26 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Silverlancer
Originally by: Torvus Jay
Secondly if you are allowed to fire back at them then they can lose something thus the war is perfectly legitamate.
We are allowed to, but we can't. They simply run away. Plus if they lose a ship, they lose 150k. If we do, we lose millions.
Fight them with frigs then...it's not their fault that you obvously don't know what you are doing if their frigs are beating your bs's
the BIG L
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.04.26 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Malvada
i agree, but how do you want to prevent this? sanctioned wars for ganking are an exploit, sure, but all you can really do is report it.
but... reporting legit wars as gank-wars just to get the GMs to intervene when you find yourself getting spanked is also an exploit...
i suggest a comprimise:
make it so only consentual wars are santioned by Concord. you declare war on anyone you want, but you can only attack them in Concord-patrolled space if they've agreed to have the same tactic open to them as well. people who start legit wars shouldn't be upset about this change of rules. only those that start wars with corps that can't possibly fight back effectively (don't have the resources) would have a problem with this.
here's the comprimise: fighting in .4 or less would go on as it is now, with the exception that you don't recieve security hits for attacking someone you've declared war on even if they haven't made it consentual. consent would only be for fighting in .5 and up.
i think meeting halfway like this would make everyone reasonably happy.
I agree entirely. I think non-consentual PvP is fine in EVE, but what exactly is the purpose of CONCORD if you can just gank people?
It seems ridiculous that if someone is attacking you, you can't call CONCORD and say, "Dude, CONCORD, this guy is shooting at me, WTF?".
I think this is a fair compromose. Non-consentual war is FFA in 0.4 or lower (no sec hit, no sentry guns shooting you). But in 0.5+, if the war isn't consentual, shooting should be off limits (IMHO).
This way, corps that are trying to help new people ease into the game don't have to worry about getting newbies ganked when travelling through 1.0 space...
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Shevaun Ashnirelim
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Posted - 2004.04.26 05:01:00 -
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Frankly your proposal and the spirit it was proposed in makes me sick to the stomach. This is a PVP game. If war becomes consent-based, half the wars out there will end.
Let's think about what effect that will have on the market, something you spineless creatures seem to need to survive.
50% less war means 50% less attrition. That means ships, missiles, guns and ammo aren't being sold as much. That means you make less money, the market stagnates and eventually collapses as people stop making enough money to sustain themselves. Carebears go hungry. There's nothing to sell. You all commit suicide.
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Wait wait. Consensual war please.
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.04.26 05:09:00 -
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My gut feeling on this is that non consentual wars shouldn't be allowed in .5+ sec space, but I worry about the end result.
I guess it wouldn't be a huge problem, but would limit your ability to gain retribution for another corps action against you.
They hit a corp mate in low sec space, then quickly retreat to .5...where you can't touch them.
It would certainly remove a huge part of the alt war griefing that is currently happening though. I guess I'd be inclined to limit non consentual wars to .4 and under...but it would need to be watched closely to see whether or not it negatively impacted the game.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
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Amy Foxx
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Posted - 2004.04.26 05:13:00 -
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My corp Rebel Mining Guild is in much the same place, we have been forced into a war that we did not want, nore did we have any choice.
And now all the agresser does is sit in stations or jumps lone craft, with our larger ships are tied up, with more pressing threats. and should one of our larger ships arive to deal with the agressers they run to the nearest station and dock. not comming back out till we have left.
And it is this war that is going on, that has ruined a lot of my time in EVE, since I now find PvP boaring becasue of this 'war' that I along with my corp cannont fight.
Amy Foxx
Rebel Mining Guild
Head of Security
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Shevaun Ashnirelim
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Posted - 2004.04.26 05:25:00 -
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If you had been around in the beta, you'd no doubt have heard the devs waxing poetic about creating Eve to be a PVP haven. One of their objectives is getting people to move out from empire space into the fringes.
Now what do you suppose giving people a safe ground in empire space to cower in does? That's right, precisely the opposite of what is desired. You get a crab cake.
Why do carebears feel that they should be allowed to profit without risk? Each day, you make economic war by building your ships and mining your rocks and undercutting other salesmen, why then do you object when another form of war is brought upon you?
The rights of carebears will never supercede the rights of fighters. Just relax and think of England.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.04.26 05:31:00 -
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Hey Silverlancer, you can merge into my corp!
and how to take down Viceroy and tha gang? Dirty Tricks all the way!!! 
"We brake for nobody"
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.04.26 05:36:00 -
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Okay, explicit solutions to your problem - to wit, you are at war with frigate ganksters who out-maneuver your security forces and larger ships, and you have a hard time pinning them down:
- Hire a rabid frigate ***** to hang out around the space where these frigate ganksters live. Someone who's whole week is made if they get a chance to go ballistic on a few of these peoples frigatges. You won't cripple the frigate ganksters this way, but at least you'll keep 'em busy. Like hosing off dirt to keep the dust down.
- Figure out when the ganksters tend to be online. Most people play on some sort of a schedule, so you should figure it out. Avoid the areas they hang out in during these times.
- Figure out where the ganksters tend to hang out and have a couple of security people run escort duties to any pricey shipping of yours coming through the area.
or - and this is my personal favorite - put down the big ships and everybody hop in frigates and go fight them. If you're the sort of corp who can provide them with 50 million isk indies to kill, then you can easily afford to take a few weeks off from mining and just go ape all over them with disposable ships. Show a little backbone, why don't you?
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This is kind of unrelated, but I just wanted to spout off about "consensual" combat. Sure corp 1 can just declare against corp 2 and start shooting them, but don't think that this doesn't make the war consensual. If you really really don't want to fight the war, then don't. Don't leave station when your foes are around (this sounds cowardly, but if you have no other recourse...); Contact them and negotiate; Sue for peace; Hire mercenaries to "convince" your foes of the errors of their ways. There are all sorts of things that you can do. And honestly, if you're the sort of corp that just wants to be left alone to mine in peace, you can afford to buy off a foe or two.
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Malvada
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Posted - 2004.04.26 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Adriana
My gut feeling on this is that non consentual wars shouldn't be allowed in .5+ sec space, but I worry about the end result. I guess it wouldn't be a huge problem, but would limit your ability to gain retribution for another corps action against you. They hit a corp mate in low sec space, then quickly retreat to .5 ...where you can't touch them. It would certainly remove a huge part of the alt war griefing that is currently happening though. I guess I'd be inclined to limit non consentual wars to .4 and under...but it would need to be watched closely to see whether or not it negatively impacted the game.
i'd have to agree. i mean, these "warriors" have no problem with running to stations and docking like little girls when someone tries to retaliate, so why would they have a problem with the same thing happening on a corporate scale when a whole corp goes to hide in .5+ space when attacked (or doing a hit and run)? i mean, it's the exact same thing, just on a larger scale.
what makes retreat an invalid tactic? where are corps to retreat to if non-consentual wars stay?
by driving a corp out of .4 space and lower, you've effectively forced them into retreat, away from the places where real money can be made. you've won. if they wish to fight over ideas or grudges, they can agree with you to allow fighting anywhere. otherwise, retreating to .5+ space is surrendering what you had lain claim to in low-sec space.
declaring war on Empire corps and attacking them everywhere is lame. fighters like those aren't warriors. they're bullies. it's a crap tactic, and really spineless.
Viceroy > so whats the problem?
the hlynsiman > a former corp member of mine stole some money of me and i need it back
Viceroy > did you earn the money by commiting terrorist acts?
the hlynsiman > no by mining
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.04.26 05:58:00 -
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Silver, the way I see it you have two options:
1.) Shut up and fight back.
2.) Pay them off.
Either way, Corp 2 is going to be happy and you are going to be miserable. It's all about how much misery you want to endure. 
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.04.26 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Silverlancer
However, there are no tricks to avoid combat--you are sitting in a station. They have 4 frigs with cruise and an interceptor outside. What do you do? DIE! Or just sit there for a week.
cough. no way to avoid combat? are we playing the same ******* game? cough.
silverlancer is developing into the new "whitedwarf" of the community.
i m not too suprised that ppl hunt you from game to game.
even the topics you opened on the forums over the last couple of days are a perfect reason for a war!!!
last point: limiting wars to low sec space is incredibly stupid. so stfu about it!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.26 06:43:00 -
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So that's why Don Vito Viceroy wanted a Crow....
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Sally
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Posted - 2004.04.26 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Grimster
Tell me Corp 1 isn't Ragnarok ??
Corp 2 can fight a war as they see fit IMHO, not really my approach but each to his own I guess.
Hey hey hey, of course Corp 1 isn't Ragnarok. Corp 1 is just Corp 1.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.04.26 07:12:00 -
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He is a whiner, yet one with an impressive kill list.
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.04.26 08:21:00 -
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After all the nerfing of the pirate profession you should expect more wars.
I for sure will start pirating in empire using war as the tool to do so.
Expect me sitting at Yulai gate with a cargo scanner and a note book. Noting number of members passing by from each corp and number of haulers and its content. When we find a good corp we will make a war and pirate you at them gates. Change your routes and we stop the war and pick the next one of the list.
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.04.26 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
This is kind of unrelated, but I just wanted to spout off about "consensual" combat. Sure corp 1 can just declare against corp 2 and start shooting them, but don't think that this doesn't make the war consensual. If you really really don't want to fight the war, then don't. Don't leave station when your foes are around (this sounds cowardly, but if you have no other recourse...); Contact them and negotiate; Sue for peace; Hire mercenaries to "convince" your foes of the errors of their ways. There are all sorts of things that you can do. And honestly, if you're the sort of corp that just wants to be left alone to mine in peace, you can afford to buy off a foe or two.
Once again great words of wisdom here, I couldn't put it any better.
And Ishkur, to quote one of your own people on another thread regarding the same subject:
Originally by: Zerodragoon
Quite true, when MF was still Merc Frigs before reforming there went to war with my corp, at first some of us wined but in the end after the war it lead to waking up and figuring out we need to expand our operations and we have 10 fold.
How can this not be good.
As the saying goes - Pork chops taste GOOD, bacon tastes GOOD, Corp war tastes GOOD!
SL, I'd advise you put your cruisers and BS's away, get a bunch of frigs and go fight on even terms - it'll do you a world of good, yes, this may go on for weeks or months hampering your normal operations but right now it's looking like Ragnorak is a corp that's easily pushed around and taking BIG losses
Grimster out.
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VinkNut
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Posted - 2004.04.26 09:53:00 -
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Thanks for that - the most amusing thread I've read in a (5 dorrar) long long time.
You want to mine, you have to protect yourselves, if they run away, you carry on mining...if you kill them, they'll eventually give up and go and do something else.
The days of sitting in 0.5 > space with 5 thoraxes and a few indies stripping the **** out of belts is long gone.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.04.26 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Silverlancer
Posted - 2004.04.24 19:02:00 - Quote
Originally by: Dexter Rast
If you hadnt already realised what CCP say and what they do are 2 completely different things
well lets see if you are correct Silver.. and if you are only 90% of what you type will be reguarded as *******s
BTW still waiting on that war declaration form you, plz try to remember about it when you get ingame, thnx
What war declaration? We don't declare war anymore as everyone we've warred against has just left their corp and ran to another.
*Proud CEO of Ragnorak Inc*
Kill List:
Lord Buzzkill
Lord Muerte
kylins killer
c4w3
silverlancer in another rather stupid topic (jettison cans), just 3 days ago.
now he has a war with someone who s fighting back, but is still unhappy.
is this telling something about the guy?
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.04.26 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Viceroy
Corp war exploit?  Declaring war is now a exploit! And CCP cant recognize it! Damn CCP!
And oh the SHAME! Viceroy has sunk to a new low! KILLING PEOPLE?!? The horror, the humiliation, the shame! The shame! I must end myself!
Lollerskates!  Really, thats a good one.
And although It was just business before, now it will be a pleasure to destroy your assets. The one rule you should learn is to not be rude to mercenaries in the employment of your enemy.
Pointless random insults make me chuckle.
Gogo Viceroy 
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.04.26 11:43:00 -
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lollerskates.
McWatt = win.
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2004.04.26 12:29:00 -
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your a muppet corp wars dont need a point...if yuo cant fight them or wont fight them and they keep killing yrou ships...than talk to them and pay them off if they dont accept your surrender then you my firned need to be guarding your stuff cos concord aint got your back
wtfpwnd
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jeNK
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Posted - 2004.04.26 13:24:00 -
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This is like saying the ****'s should have pulled out of France because France were not wanting to fight
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DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2004.04.26 14:49:00 -
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just a random post to compliment some of the sigs ive noticed on this topic
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Baal SiTekgoru
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Posted - 2004.04.26 14:55:00 -
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mmmmm I love Shintoko's sig
Black Monkey Corporation - Corporate Liquidators |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.26 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 26/04/2004 18:22:22
Originally by: Shevaun Ashnirelim
edit: RollinDutchMasters, Shattered Galaxy right? I'm Snatch there. Hi :)
i KNEW these names were familiar... mutter mutter...
i pretty much stopped playing when they nerfed the whole rares system and it seemed like development stumbled. then fell over. and half my screen's info is still korean and none of the stats are consistent and for a fittingmonkey such as myself, that was half the fun
...and i can only play starcraft so many times per day...
FIGHT ON THE POC N00B
poc lar
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Vodalus
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Posted - 2004.04.26 21:10:00 -
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Viceroy is EVIL. EEEEEEVVVVIIIILLLLLLLLL I TELL YOU!
He's evil x 100000000000000000.
He puts the "EVE" in Evil!
Poor Silverlancer, he puts the "good" in "goody-two-shoes".
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EVE is primarily a PVP game
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