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Rigante Black Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.29 01:13:00 - [1] Brutix loaded with Mining Lasers, filling directly into a can. Think that would mine freakishly fast? /Still a nub
1717 Minmatar PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.29 01:15:00 - [2] I'm not a Gallente pilot, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but wouldn't it be better to use a Myrmidon as you could use mining drones as well? eve-online.com
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.04.29 01:31:00 - [3] Freakishly fast is more than a little bit of an overstatement. The absolute maximum mining rate with full skills/implants/leadership bonuses/Gang Assist Mods is somewhere between 2500 cubic meters and 3000 cubic meters per minute. With Maxed skills a the Brutix/Myrmidon actually do fairly respectably, pulling in about 1000 cubic meters of ore per minute in an optimal situation. Of course, any miner will tell you that you don't EVER achieve that optimal situation (it would require an asteroid of infinite mining quantiy that you can park directly on top of). At any rate, either ship would work fine for lower skiled mining and it will actually be a better miner than the barges until you can fly a covetor. If you only moolight as a miner then it will do well enough, plus your skills can easily be transfered into a sturdier mining battleship (the hyperion is a solid candidate here, able to pull in over 1200 cubic meters of ore per minute)
Hannobaal Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.29 01:31:00 - [4] Originally by: 1717 I'm not a Gallente pilot, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but wouldn't it be better to use a Myrmidon as you could use mining drones as well? A Myrmidon doesn't have bonus to mining drones like the Vexor does, the Brutix can use a full set of mining drones, and the Brutix has one more turret slot than the Myrmidon. And yeah, the Brutix is an excellent mining ship. Mines about as fast as a Retriever mining barge does.
Rigante Black Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.29 02:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: 1717 I'm not a Gallente pilot, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but wouldn't it be better to use a Myrmidon as you could use mining drones as well? A Myrmidon doesn't have bonus to mining drones like the Vexor does, the Brutix can use a full set of mining drones, and the Brutix has one more turret slot than the Myrmidon. And yeah, the Brutix is an excellent mining ship. Mines about as fast as a Retriever mining barge does. Wonderful, you seem to know what your talking about ( Not to say that others who posted do not ) Would you do me a favor and suggest a quick little setup for me? Do I need any guns or will my Drones do fine for petty rat defense?
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.04.29 03:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Rigante Black Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: 1717 I'm not a Gallente pilot, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but wouldn't it be better to use a Myrmidon as you could use mining drones as well? A Myrmidon doesn't have bonus to mining drones like the Vexor does, the Brutix can use a full set of mining drones, and the Brutix has one more turret slot than the Myrmidon. And yeah, the Brutix is an excellent mining ship. Mines about as fast as a Retriever mining barge does. Wonderful, you seem to know what your talking about ( Not to say that others who posted do not ) Would you do me a favor and suggest a quick little setup for me? Do I need any guns or will my Drones do fine for petty rat defense? It depends almost entirely on what sort of rats you encounter. I mined for months in a retriever in a .5 system and my 5 t1 light drones kept me safe and secure. Generally speaking, if the rats you encounter are frigates you should be fine. The basic goal in fitting your mining BC boils down to craming as many mining lasers into your high slots as you can and cramming as many mining laser upgrades into your low slots as possible. Since miner II drones are nice and compact, your brutix will be able to carry a full flight of light combat drones into battle. Whatever fitting is left over I would use to slap on a shield tank.
Falcon Troy Caldari Awesome People Secret Corp	Posted - 2008.04.29 04:45:00 - [7] It's a decent enough ship to mine in. If you can afford a Dominix it would also work nicely with all of it's lows. _____________ Hai.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.04.29 04:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Falcon Troy It's a decent enough ship to mine in. If you can afford a Dominix it would also work nicely with all of it's lows. I'd say the Hyperion is better suited thanks to a greater number of turret slots.
Rigante Black Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.29 06:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Falcon Troy It's a decent enough ship to mine in. If you can afford a Dominix it would also work nicely with all of it's lows. I'd say the Hyperion is better suited thanks to a greater number of turret slots. Oh hell its a TON better than the Brutix, but I don't have the skills for it yet. How much do those generally run? ( I am at work at the moment, and have errands to run right after, so I wont be able to look for myself for a while O_o )
Taasha Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.29 09:14:00 - [10] Edited by: Taasha on 29/04/2008 09:14:19 Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Falcon Troy It's a decent enough ship to mine in. If you can afford a Dominix it would also work nicely with all of it's lows. I'd say the Hyperion is better suited thanks to a greater number of turret slots. Sure, but when we are talking about a mining newbie I'll assume cash isn't exactly available. I'd be sure to bet he'd sooner get a Dominix than a Hype so my advice seems pretty valid. Alt post ftl.
NoNah Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.04.29 11:55:00 - [11] As for a setup, it's as easy as: High - Mining lasers DCML II's if you can use them, otherwise Miner II or as good as you can go. Med: Whatever. Lows: Best mix of Co-processors and Mining Laser Upgrades you can field. The main reason why Brutix is better than Myrmid is not only turret slots, but CPU. This is the reason why the Rokh is the second best miner in the game, only lower than the hulk. (even if you have to empty cargo every 15 seconds) Postcount: 6932
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.04.29 12:17:00 - [12] Interesting concept but mining barge=mining & battleship=fighting. Why would you want to do it any other way? Perhaps for some really valuable commodity in very dangerous space but hey with your battleship stuffed full of mining lasers you would need drones so a Domi would be best for safety IMO.
NoNah Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.04.29 12:20:00 - [13] Originally by: Pteranodon Interesting concept but mining barge=mining & battleship=fighting. Why would you want to do it any other way? Perhaps for some really valuable commodity in very dangerous space but hey with your battleship stuffed full of mining lasers you would need drones so a Domi would be best for safety IMO. Reasoning is, Rokh takes a week to train for, Covetor takes 2 months. Rokh is inline with other paths, Covetor grants only the hulk - granted it's the best miner around once you get there. Also note however that the hulk is only some 20-24 hours away from the covetor. Postcount: 130863
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.04.29 12:28:00 - [14] Originally by: NoNah Originally by: Pteranodon Interesting concept but mining barge=mining & battleship=fighting. Why would you want to do it any other way? Perhaps for some really valuable commodity in very dangerous space but hey with your battleship stuffed full of mining lasers you would need drones so a Domi would be best for safety IMO. Reasoning is, Rokh takes a week to train for, Covetor takes 2 months. Rokh is inline with other paths, Covetor grants only the hulk - granted it's the best miner around once you get there. Also note however that the hulk is only some 20-24 hours away from the covetor. I feel that you would be frustrated with the experience of mining in a battleship if you were to do it more than very short term. There is nothing like biting the bullet & training for a dedicated mining ship. Perhaps a way forward is to mine in a battleship & then train the exhumer skills off and on until the objective is reached. I have a Hulk with expanders & rigs which can mine 17200 m3 in one flight & it also makes a very useful hauler with that capacity- the Hulk is so much better at mining than any other ship & it can fit a god tank for low sec mining against rats and still field 5 tec2 drones. Battleship mining is a short term solution to fill a skills gap whilst keeping you on track to your other objectives but ultimately a mining barge does the job as it should be done. Good luck to you.
Stephen HB Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2008.04.29 13:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Pteranodon Originally by: NoNah Originally by: Pteranodon I feel that you would be frustrated with the experience of mining in a battleship if you were to do it more than very short term. How do you think we felt for the first 3 years when mining barges weren't even a glimmer in CCP's eye? ---------- Guide to character creation by Akita T

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