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Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.04.29 16:55:00 - [1] All I see is Raven Fits, and I'm sure there is a good reason for that. But how would you fit a Maelstrom? Currently I have 3M SP (I know it's not much) and plan on doing LVL 4 when I get some more SP's. But for fun I was playing around in EFT. I put on 5 PDU in lows and 8 1400mm Carbine for high. Medium I'm thinking 1L SB, 2 Invul hardener, 2 shield boost amps, and a Large Extender. I know this may make some laugh but I'm pretty new and past similar setups seemed to have done me well in other missions with lower class ships. What I like is the bonus the Strom gives for shield boosting.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.04.29 17:34:00 - [2] very basic Maelstrom setup: [Maelstrom, Basic Mission Setup] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II 100MN Afterburner II Large Shield Booster II 4 x Hardener / Amp 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Drone x 5 Small Drone x 5 Utility Drone x 5 Your tank is your ability to zoom out to 90 km and take everything out from there. When you get t2 arties, I'd move over to the 1200mm IIs over the 1400s. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.04.29 17:50:00 - [3] Wow, thats completely out of my mind, thanks for opening it up to new ideas. Now I'm assuming this is going for more DPS than tank? And the reason for 1200 over 1400 is fitting? Or just because the 1200 have better tracking? Also is depleted uranium alright for this type of stuff, its what I have been using since the beginning. Thanks again.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.04.29 18:28:00 - [4] Edited by: Pwett on 29/04/2008 18:28:17 As far as fitting, you can't fit 1400 IIs without a pg implant or some fitting mods / rigs even with all skills at 5, (with the current setup) but the 1200's have roughly the same DPS as the 1400s, you just have a smaller volley. I use the right ammo for the rats - that said, I never used depleted uranium in missions - it's always fusion, titanium, plasma or emp depending on the rats. And that third Gyro is still worth a good 10% more dps, so it's well worth it. It is definitely geared more towards damage - there's only one mission I don't like doing in this ship and it's WC - because the second room has the webbing frigs which makes it hard to get range, and you can inadvertantly get full aggro in the last room, which is again, very bad when range is your greatest tank. That said, this is still a very fun ship to play around with. I like the Fleet Tempest for a VERY speedy, slightly higher dps version of this ship. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
YPS3	Posted - 2008.04.30 14:29:00 - [5] Here is my fitting which I have used in lvl 4 missions. 8x 1400 tech 2 100 ab, DG Large Booster, 3 x hardners, cap recharger 2 2x PDU II, 3 x Gyro II 3 ccc rigs. Probably too much cap but shield booster runs no problem. Alos I agree , use ammo appropriate to rat type
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.04.30 16:17:00 - [6] Originally by: YPS3 Here is my fitting which I have used in lvl 4 missions. 8x 1400 tech 2 100 ab, DG Large Booster, 3 x hardners, cap recharger 2 2x PDU II, 3 x Gyro II 3 ccc rigs. Probably too much cap but shield booster runs no problem. Alos I agree , use ammo appropriate to rat type Hmm even if it calls for EMP? The only problem I have with emp is the range hit you take for the extra damage. I think it pretty much cuts it in half.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.04.30 16:23:00 - [7] Well with 1400s and support skills at 4, EMP should still give you 37 + 42 KM with the two tracking enhancer IIs, and as I like to keep distance @ 57 KM (my drone control range), it's more than adequate. You lose a little bit of damage, but we just don't have really good ammo for taking down Blood / Sansha as it is. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Faife Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.30 16:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Pwett very basic Maelstrom setup: [Maelstrom, Basic Mission Setup] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II 100MN Afterburner II Large Shield Booster II 4 x Hardener / Amp 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Drone x 5 Small Drone x 5 Utility Drone x 5 Your tank is your ability to zoom out to 90 km and take everything out from there. When you get t2 arties, I'd move over to the 1200mm IIs over the 1400s. Truth. I personally drop the 3rd gyro for an overdrive, which lets me keep pace with everyone but angels without using AB.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.04.30 16:55:00 - [9] Also when you say hardener/amp do you mean setup 2 racial hardeners and 2 amps?
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.04.30 17:09:00 - [10] I tend not to use two active hardeners for a single resistance, so when I double up on resistances I go one passive and one active. That's a matter of preference and how well you've trained up your shield comps. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony

Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.04.30 17:48:00 - [11] Edited by: Highwind Cid on 30/04/2008 17:49:14 Originally by: Pwett I tend not to use two active hardeners for a single resistance, so when I double up on resistances I go one passive and one active. That's a matter of preference and how well you've trained up your shield comps. I found eve-survival and notice most missions have two types of damage being delt. So you equip an active shield hardener for the prim dmg and a passive shield hardener for secondary damage? I just used Invul hardeners before I found eve-survival. But using that feels cheesy. Also am I confusing your reference to amp as a shield boost amp or something different?
Loller Waffles Minmatar Pastry Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.30 18:17:00 - [12] I use the Maelstrom in L4s and I tend to run the following: [High Slots] 6x 1200mm II [Mid Slots] 100 MN AB II Shield Boost Amp Large Shield Booster II 3x Active Hardeners II [Low Slots] 2x Gyrostabilizer II 2x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Damage Control II [Rigs] 3x Capacitor Control Circuit Since most missions deal two primary types I usually use one hardener for each and then leave the 3rd as an Invuln. If you know the mission and are confident about your skills then drop the DCU and put in a 3rd Gyrostab. The rigs are key to having enough cap without killing your med slots on this ship. DCU is usually overkill for tanking, but if you're not confident in your ability to remove scramblers in a bad situation then it can save you ship. Like I said, if I know the mission I'll leave it at home. If you feel cheesy about using Eve Survival maybe you'll change your mind after you go into a mission and set off all the spawn triggers and get your Maelstrom popped. Maelstrom is a pretty forgiving ship, overall, because of that defensive ship bonus. I much prefer it to the Tempest for L4s, and I'd rather not try to get 5 million SP in 3 different areas to fly a Typhoon properly.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.05.01 15:25:00 - [13] I've decided to wait it out and go with the 1200mm T2's. I just picked it up so now I have quite a bit of skills and money to be made before I even bring it outside. Also what are you takes on drones? I thought of fitting 4 heavy drones.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.05.01 16:14:00 - [14] Heavy drones are too slow at the ranges you're going to be. You can carry 10 mediums (a waste). I carry 5 smalls (only for interceptor type frigs) 5 mediums (everything else) 5 armor rep drones (sometimes some of my noobish alliance members tag along) _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Elsu Rodan	Posted - 2008.05.01 17:38:00 - [15] Originally by: Pwett Heavy drones are too slow at the ranges you're going to be. You can carry 10 mediums (a waste). I carry 5 smalls (only for interceptor type frigs) 5 mediums (everything else) 5 armor rep drones (sometimes some of my noobish alliance members tag along) QFT. though since I usually don't have to worry about gangmates, I generally take along extras to replace any drones that get popped so I don't have to micromanage them as much.
Loller Waffles Minmatar Pastry Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.01 19:15:00 - [16] I usually carry 5 meds and 10 lights cause I'm lazy. Your guns will take out anything that the heavy drones would be useful for, and you'll need something to get rid of the interceptor rats, since your 1200s have no chance of hitting them after they're orbiting.
RealSalmon	Posted - 2008.05.01 19:39:00 - [17] Love the Maelstrom! 3x Gyrostabilizer II 2x Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet X-Large Shield Booster 3 x Hardener II 2 x Amp II 8x 1200mm Artillery Cannon II 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I 5 x Medium Drone II 5 x Small Drone II Runs all L4 missions straight though, including Sansha gate in WC, w/o warping out.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.05.05 13:26:00 - [18] Originally by: RealSalmon Love the Maelstrom! 3x Gyrostabilizer II 2x Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet X-Large Shield Booster 3 x Hardener II 2 x Amp II 8x 1200mm Artillery Cannon II 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I 5 x Medium Drone II 5 x Small Drone II Runs all L4 missions straight though, including Sansha gate in WC, w/o warping out. Wait, no SB?
RealSalmon	Posted - 2008.05.05 18:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Highwind Cid Originally by: RealSalmon Love the Maelstrom! 3x Gyrostabilizer II 2x Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet X-Large Shield Booster 3 x Hardener II 2 x Amp II 8x 1200mm Artillery Cannon II 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I 5 x Medium Drone II 5 x Small Drone II Runs all L4 missions straight though, including Sansha gate in WC, w/o warping out. Wait, no SB? "Republic Fleet X-Large Shield Booster" BTW, the only reason I say to use the Republic Fleet version is simply a matter of available CPU. If you can otherwise squeeze it in (implants, etc), a Tech II version is more than fine. The tank here is insane anyway.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:35:00 - [20] Edited by: Poreuomai on 06/05/2008 12:35:55 Originally by: RealSalmon 2 x Amp II What is "Amp" in that context? shield boost amplifier ?

RealSalmon	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Poreuomai Originally by: RealSalmon 2 x Amp II What is "Amp" in that context? shield boost amplifier ? That is correct, sir.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:49:00 - [22] oh my goodness :-p that is SOME tank. That's like a vulture fit I have! That is something I would keep in mind for an AC fit; but I generally find the Maelstrom too slow for AC missions - that's what the vargur is for. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
RealSalmon	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Pwett . . . I generally find the Maelstrom too slow for AC missions - that's what the vargur is for. For sure. I have an AC fit that I use as well, but it requires an AB and alot of flying around in order to get into range on most missions. IMO, an arty setup lets you get in, get done, and get out with the least amount of hassle. Basically just park it, launch drones, and open fire. Of course, the other side of that is that the wreckage grouping when using AC's is quite often more convenient if you come back in with a salvager. (/me wants a Vargur)
Tan'Gun	Posted - 2008.05.07 16:31:00 - [24] Soloing lvl 4's for the last 1.5 years, most recently in the Mael, I've come to realize that having the right skills is just as important as what you're fitting. Shield dmg compensation skills should be maxed, T2 large projectile skills are a huge benefit and Engineering skills pertaining to PG/Cap/Shields should be as close to maxed as your patience will allow. :) For fittings, I have the following: High Slots: 4x 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II 2x 1200mm Artillery Cannon II 2x 800mm Repeating Artillery II (yes, I got Autos. With a total range of around 40k with Barrage ammo fitted, these guns can hit anything from frigs at further ranges to BSs at close range as hard as any cruise missile can hit in most cases) Mid Slots X-Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II This particular setup is for the lvl4 Damsel In Distress Mission where both Angel and Mercs are present. W/ my skills, it provides 83% Expl, 84% Kin, 68% Therm and 35% EM. Shield Boosting is required occasionally but most of the damage will be deflected by the hardeners/plating. Hardeners types will always vary depending on who you're fighting. Of course focus on EMP and Heat resists when fighting Amarr and Sancha rats. Low Slots 2x Tracking Enhancer II (adds some nice range to the Autocannons) 2x Gyrostabilizer II 1x Signal Amplifier II Rigs 2x Capacitor Control Circuit I (This is a PVE setup so sustainability of the cap is very helpful) 1x Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I (Improves tracking) Drones Depending on who I'm fighting, I'll fit different drones providing the correct damage-type to capitalize on the rats' achilles heal. But I always have 3 T2 Heavy Drones and 2 T2 Med Drones. They'll typically pop BC and BS rats almost as quickly as I do and they'll cut through frig sized rats very quickly as well. Just keep an eye on them because rats that are not agro'd on you will a lot of times pick on your drones. NOTE: this is the setup for my main. I'm just a harmless alt.
josehurricane	Posted - 2008.05.07 17:22:00 - [25] Hey. Some good setups for the mael on this topic. Been running lvl 4 missions for a while now, and here is my setup: High: 8x 1400mm scout Meds: Large shield booster t2 Shield boost amplifier 4x Rat specific hardeners Lows: 2x floix coil t2 3x gyro t2 Rigs: 3x ccc Drones: 5x med hammerheads t2, 5x light hobs This setup is pretty much focused on defence. Not much gank, but the booster runs forever. Cruise through any lvl 4 mission using this setup.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.05.08 13:29:00 - [26] Originally by: RealSalmon Love the Maelstrom! 3x Gyrostabilizer II 2x Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet X-Large Shield Booster 3 x Hardener II 2 x Amp II 8x 1200mm Artillery Cannon II 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I 5 x Medium Drone II 5 x Small Drone II Runs all L4 missions straight though, including Sansha gate in WC, w/o warping out. When I set this up even with CCC's With everything going cap only lasts 1m 41s. Is there something I can do to improve on that. It does look like a great tank.
RealSalmon	Posted - 2008.05.08 14:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Highwind Cid Originally by: RealSalmon Love the Maelstrom! 3x Gyrostabilizer II 2x Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet X-Large Shield Booster 3 x Hardener II 2 x Amp II 8x 1200mm Artillery Cannon II 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I 5 x Medium Drone II 5 x Small Drone II Runs all L4 missions straight though, including Sansha gate in WC, w/o warping out. When I set this up even with CCC's With everything going cap only lasts 1m 41s. Is there something I can do to improve on that. It does look like a great tank. You can, but at the expense of DPS. Try putting 4 capacitor flux coils and a gyro in the lows, and swap a Shield booster for a capacitor recharger. With good energy skills, this will actually allow you to permarun the x-large booster. Again though, the cost of doing this is gimpy dps. Perma-running the booster is almost always a complete waste of resources if you have decent gunnery skills and the appropriate hardeners. If you wish to both perma-run the booster and have a little better dps, try the following AC setup. Note that you can not perma-run both the AB and the SB, and the range here is much more personal. 1x Gyrostabilizer II 4x Capacitor Flux Coil II 1 x 100MN Afterburner II 1 x X-Large Shield Booster II 2 x Hardener II 1 x Shield Boost Amp II 1 x Cap Recharger II 8x 800mm Repeating Artillery II 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I 5 x Medium Drone II 5 x Small Drone II
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:13:00 - [28] ...I probably should have mentioned I only have about 3.5 mill SP Well I know most of you will say then, then you probably shouldn't be flying a BS.
Spaztick	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:35:00 - [29] Honestly I've found that DPS and range is my best tank in a Mael. Yes, you can tank some excellent damage but your tank won't last under heavy fire for very long. I'm at 4.6m SP and I can tank most everything thrown at me in missions provided I'm careful not to aggro the whole room. That being said I prefer DPS and range to be my tank, with my shields being secondary: [High Slots] 8x 1400mm I (named) [Mid Slots] Shield Boost Amp Large Shield Booster (I have a named T1) 2x Active Hardeners 2x Passive Hardeners [Low Slots] 3x Gyrostabilizer II 1x PDU II 1x Flux Coil II [Rigs] 3x Capacitor Control Circuit Switch out what you want as desired, you can go with 1200mms and a tracking enhancer in place of the 1400s and the PDU, but I'm at a fairly good cap recharge time and enjoy the benefits of a PDU. I'd put MAel at one of the better mission ships but it's still nothing compared to an abaddon or raven. OF course if you need to kill stuff up close (within 15km or so) you can put in ACs and go to town with the damage. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:17:00 - [30] Above seems to be the most practical for my situation. Also about this whole Raven deal. Does anyone find it annoying that everyone and their mother flys one of those? I'm personally doing minni only ships since the skills become racial only past a point aka BS's. Are they really that significantly better than other missioning BS's?



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