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Ice Garfield
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Posted - 2008.04.29 18:32:00 -
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Hi all. First of, I know I prolly won't get to know anything asking this, I hope so tho.
Can anyone tell me how this works? I mean getting faction items, besides the dread gurista stuff and other "lowlvl" items?
I have tried 0.0 ratting for months, (-0,88 through -0,95), I've run complexes before they got hidden (6/10's) and in general searched all I could trying to find even a domination spawn without luck.
When I run lvl 4 missions I bump into rats with the "right names" quite a lot (gistii, domination etc) but none of them drop any faction stuff.
All this made me think if faction loot just is extremely rare (which I guess most of it is) or if I'm doing something wrong?
Are the officers "hiding" in special places or do they just pop up in random? and are the deadspace items only found in the highest hidden complexes or are they possible to get, ie. through mission running?
I'm NOT asking for specific hunting grounds, just means to find these modules.
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Princess Jodi
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.04.29 18:41:00 -
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There's a lot of opinions on this subject, but little that is actual 'Fact'
The first Opinion is that you need to kill off EVERYTHING in the system over and over to 'roll the loot tables.' The Officer joins a spawn as it forms and so it is necessary to make lots of spawns form. Note that this is in direct opposition to Farming Spawns, which is one of the reasons Officers seem so rare (Everyone likes to Farm.)
The second Opinion states that you need to be in NPC space, preferably near a NPC station system. The theory is that they somehow respond to agression close to home. I'm not so sure about this, but I've heard it stated.
Other that that advice, all I can say is that they are indeed very rare. I've hit one Officer (Seleene) in almost 4 years of Eve.
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.04.29 18:43:00 -
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In my early days of playing, 2005, I flew fofr my first time into 0.0 in an AF (Jag or Wolf, I forget) and got a Domination spawn. It took me ages to kill it, and for my reward I got the best (at that time) webber in the game. Was worth 150 mill I seem to recall which was tons to me at that time.
If you think that's gloating, I lost it in a Tempest in a level 3 mission. Easy come, easy go I guess. Looking back I guess I jumped into the pest before I had anything like the skills to fly it. Lots of new players probably make the same mistake.
Sooo, a long way of answering your question ... basically I think it's just random luck.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.29 18:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Princess Jodi
There's a lot of opinions on this subject, but little that is actual 'Fact'
The first Opinion is that you need to kill off EVERYTHING in the system over and over to 'roll the loot tables.' The Officer joins a spawn as it forms and so it is necessary to make lots of spawns form. Note that this is in direct opposition to Farming Spawns, which is one of the reasons Officers seem so rare (Everyone likes to Farm.)
The second Opinion states that you need to be in NPC space, preferably near a NPC station system. The theory is that they somehow respond to agression close to home. I'm not so sure about this, but I've heard it stated.
Other that that advice, all I can say is that they are indeed very rare. I've hit one Officer (Seleene) in almost 4 years of Eve.
Hrm, that's interesting...
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Sallie Ann
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Posted - 2008.04.29 19:03:00 -
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Personally I think it's a combination of Option 1 and 2 with a bunch of other options we don't know about.
What I DO know is that when I was in 0.0 our corp knew within 10 minutes every night when a Dread Gurista in a Dreadnought would spawn in one of the belts in our home system. The rat popped there every night within 5 minutes of the same time. We'd be waiting on him to get his faction loot and the 7 million bounty for him.
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Aurix Lexico
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 20:54:00 -
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Ok, lets see ...
faction (domination, dread guristas, shadow serpentis, ect) mostly come from random spawns in 0.0 belts. You can get lucky in certain missions and get a faction item or two (ie gurista's extravaganza) and I believe you can also get most faction items out of the respective pirate faction's LP store.
officer (tuvan's, cormack's, estamel's, taire's, ect) all come from random spawns in 0.0 belts.
deadspace (core *-type, gistii *-type) used to come from static complexes, but now are dropped randomly in exploration plexes.
I believe most of the above is true, I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong somewhere.
Of course there are many different belief systems on how to get faction/officer spawns, I don't think any of them are close to the truth though. I know that checking every single belt in a constellation or so after downtime increased my chance of getting a faction/officer spawn. (not that this is an objective proof, but it worked for me)
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Faife
Noctiscion
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.29 21:02:00 -
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complete luck. the only faction items i got (domination) were in mission, but i mission a whole lot more than 0.0 rat / explorationate.
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spejdertoes
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Posted - 2008.04.30 11:08:00 -
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Okay. I thought so:/ I will do as I usually do then and hope to get lucky someday.
maybe I should try start learning myself how to scan for hidden plexes:P Guess that's the "easiest" (I know its not at all easy) way to get the mods, compared to endless time of missionrunning. I don't have "safe" acces to 0.0 for the time beeing tho, so maybe I should just pop in a system from time to time and clear every belt, trying to provoke some officers:P Or keep running missions, bite the bullet and just buy the stuff I want:)
Thanks for the input guys, if anyone has more theories as how this works, please share:)
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Acedias
Atropos Asylum
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Posted - 2008.04.30 11:26:00 -
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The second opinion is a little out from my experience, though it is true that some areas seem to recieve a higher rate of faction and officer spawns (seems that its not always relevant to true sec rating of the system, it just effects the potential quality of the spawn).
There is one system that I have spent time in that has been rather better than others for officer spawns, over the period of 4 months of us being there I heard/witnessed and saw loot of there being 5 reasonable quality officer spawns - two of which were within two weeks of eachother. The system was 10+ jumps from the nearest npc station and although bordering close to claimable 0.0 it was one jump from a deadend. (true sec was something like -0.85)
(Not naming system as requested just my experience with nice rat spawns)
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.30 11:31:00 -
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There are ways to increase your chances of getting these spawns.
But that said, ratting in 0.0 will definetly be where you go to get the normal faction spawns, and exploration/anomaly plexes have a slightly larger chance to spawn them.
I get them pretty consistenly doing both in 0.0. In empire I've only ever seen one or two faction spawns. Never in missions.
As for officer spawns. Never seen one. But then again I don't rat in the respective home space of officers so the chance is probably non-existant for them to drop where I am.
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.30 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Rive on 30/04/2008 12:05:26
First off, just because you get a faction/officer spawn, doesnt automatically mean that youll get faction items. You should always get a tag, and some ammo, and quite often you get a POS blueprint (Like a shadow warp disruption battery)
To get an officer, it greatly increases your chances if you look for them in npc regions, (delve, stain, fountain, basically any region with an npc station) it also helps if youre incredibly patient
The chance of getting faction/officer loot increases greatly if you despawn the system. Basically what this means is rather than chaining the spawns, or killing just the bs and leaving the frigs, you kill EVREYTHING off. this mean the belts revert to having nothing in, and when you then warp back to the belt, theres a chance you will get a faction or officer spawn.
from personal experience, i dont find that trusec increases the chances of getting a faction or officer spawn, it just dictates how high a bounty that spawn will be, for instance, i know a guy who npc's in venal and knows where the best area to get each diffrent officer in (nerd)
basically, its mostly down to luck and patience, but mostly luck. I have spent 12 hours despawning systems only to get nothing, and go back the next day and get one in the first couple of hours. I even had a day where i got 3 officer within the space of 2 hours. you just gotta stck with it |
Glassback
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.30 12:43:00 -
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Yeh, NPC 0.0 for Officers. FYI you can run a search for them using a locator agent.
Each time you visit an empty belt the game access it's stuff and there is a chance of something nice spawning. So get into something fast, visit as many belts as you can, win.
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Ralara
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.30 12:54:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=682429
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Nyssah
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Posted - 2008.04.30 14:03:00 -
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Yea, imo true sec status plays a big role in getting faction spawns. I usually get one dread guristas spawn every day. Sometimes every 1-2 days. Most in my experience dropped good loot except for yesterday...
Speaking of dread guristas I actually just got one ^^ a dread cruiser spawn, and got a dread large shield booster from him =[ only 30-40mill very lame.
I got two yesterday, one from scanning through belts in a pod in my alt, then in the same system finding another dread in a complex I scanned down with my main.
I also know where another dread spawn is in an escalation I got off that complex I ran yesterday, I got an expedition off it which gives you 24 hours to get to another location to do more complex stuff (like an agent mission) though I couldn't do it today so I went into it to refresh it and there was a 11.3mill bounty dread. But I'll deal with him tomorrow.
So really what I do, is while scanning down complex's in my main, put my alt into a pod and make him run through all the belts as fast as he can through systems all around me. Thats how I get 1-2 dread spawns a day, if not I find a hauler spawn, got one yesterday also with 6.25mill trit and something like 0.85mill mex.
I try stay away from systems that get chained and ratted in a lot. Works best for me!
Officers on the other hand are tedious, only every found one, in Gem space 10 mins before DT with a 16.7mill bounty finally manged to kill him though he DID NOT DROP ANY faction loot!! Just 7 Dread Guristas items and not even and invul field...was very very anoyed.
### NUMBER ONE TIP OF THE DAY ###
Faction spawns usually always happen after DT!!! So hit those belts as fast as you can! and race your corp mates/alliance buddies in 0.0 to find one.
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Nyssah
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Posted - 2008.04.30 14:18:00 -
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Wow...you wont believe this, but 10mins later 2 systems across I get another dread spawn, this time BS 4.75mil im on a rollll tonight wooot BUT AWWH no dread loot well there u go =[ ~goes to find next dread~
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.04.30 15:27:00 -
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Completely random. I've looted a domination webber from a frigate/cruiser spawn in a 0.3 system in Molden Heath. I've also looted worthless tags and faction ammo from BS spawns in deep 0.0.
You sound like you've had really bad luck.
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Sopha Serpentia
Core Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.04.30 15:43:00 -
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I remeber reading somewhere (wikipedia I think) that CCP have mechanics in play that spreads the distribution of wealth. I don't know if this is true or not, but it seems to make sense.
So that means high population regions/constellations have less chance of spawning commander spawns than low populationed regions. Faction spawns also spawn in any belt below 0.6 (I think), Cosmic Anomolies and "Unknown" cosmic signature that esculate (at least in the esculated complex). I can confirm the last senternce personally because I have seen faction spawns in all these things.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.30 15:48:00 -
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Considering some people in my corp get good faction items at an alarming rate, and I'd never once had a single faction drop that was worth the price it costs to make a contract, I believe their is a hidden "luck" attribute assigned to each character.
Yours is -1.
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Ice Garfield
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Posted - 2008.04.30 22:22:00 -
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Great guide, Ralara:)
And yeah, my luck has been very bad indeed. Been playing since 2003 with a year long break around 2005 and not encountered a single officer/command spawn yet:) I'll try find a somewhat quiet 0.0 system and *****it then, see if my luck changes:P
Thanks a lot for constructive feedback to you all:)
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.04.30 22:30:00 -
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There were three True Sansha wrecks in Madirmilire last night at the same time. I personally got another TS frigate there earlier that day while looking for this guy who I had kill rights to. That system is like 0.7. I really don't think that sec level determines how often faction spawns occur.
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Dravius Luxor
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.30 22:31:00 -
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I got one Commander in a highsec anomaly I scanned while learning to use the scanner. Was in a 0.7 system, so while he was a commander he only dropped some Domination ammo...
Oh well. It's inspiring though...
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Nyssah
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Posted - 2008.05.02 06:06:00 -
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Yea I duno what you guys are doing wrong o.0 I just have two accounts, one in a pod and one and in cloaking ishar. I run through the same 8 systems a day usually twice and get 1-2 dread spawns. I just got another 10 minutes ago, a 4.78mill BS dread that dropped no loot...But yea I still get them 1-2 times a day. Its become something like "Oh look, another one..." Sort of thing to me? |
Nyssah
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Posted - 2008.05.02 06:14:00 -
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I think this thread is good luck? Next system over iv come across a dread cruiser spawn - I mean this is just insane.. Yet to loot him I'll do so in a sec...PSSSSH No good loot again just random dread ammo and a gold tag seeing its only a BC spawn...1.47mill though so eh its all good I reckon. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.02 08:58:00 -
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I have had 2 dread spawns, i have ratted 0.0 maybe 5 days total (like 3 of them days was in a harpy about a year ago)
first one i was about to warp out of the belt when i moused over and saw (gurista's medium commander wreck) promptly flew over and looted 
haven't seen an officer yet 
seen a few dread spawns in high/low sec, so far 2 low-grade crystal implants (one in a .5 one .4) and a bunch of faction ammo/tags. these are damn rare, considering i sat around mining for the highsec one, and usually went lowsec ratting when no one was in system 
i believe the "right names" just means they are heavy assault ships and have better resistances |
Boomershoot
Caldari
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 09:12:00 -
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the fact is, officers often spawn only in one system in the same constellation, mainly one each 1-2 (even multiple spawns each day, depends on the security rate mainly) DT, often right after DT.
ofc, if you rat in 5 system with 4 belts each, you have waaaay more possibilities to search for commander's or officer's spawn than a single system with 20 belts.
believe what you want |
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