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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.30 06:46:00 -
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In the last weeks I have never got a gravimetric hit in high sec empire wile in the past they were reasonably common. As my main interest was to get get some calm mining site I am a bit disappointed (I am outside of Caldari space if someone is interested in that).
In theory even if there is plenty of people currently searching for them and mining them they should respawn as soon as finished. That mean that I should find them, even if half empty or with someone already mining them.
So before starting a worried thread in game developement I want to take a survey.
So my questions:
1) are you finding what you feel is the usual number of gravimetric sites in high sec empire?
2) are you finding gravimetric sites (or other exploration sites) bunched together in some far off corner of high sec?
3) are you finding what you feel is the usual number of gravimetric sites in low sec empire?
4) are you finding gravimetric sites (or other exploration sites) bunched together in some far off corner of low sec?
" and 4 are especially important as they will indicate that respawn is ok, simply the high numbers of people exploring tend to move the exploration sites from the more traveled systems to far off corners where they sit untouched until they despawn for the timer exaustion. To me it seem the more probable answer as in the past I have found high sec systems with 5 signatures (plus a static complex to hide the unknow ).
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Zifrian
Gallente GFB Scientific Interstellar Corporate Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.30 08:45:00 -
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I thought I was having bad luck just finding a system with a site but the theory that there are more people exploring isn't true. Grav sites usually take several hours for people to clear them and in the past week I've found 3, of which none were ever scanned out by anyone else.
I honestly think they move around more often. I've found sites in some systems very regularly then all of a sudden nothing for weeks. I've noticed this between two different areas I go to now.
The rate of sites I'm finding is about what it was before, but I moved to a different system/constellation. If you aren't already doing that, it might be something to look into.
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FlameGlow
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.30 10:09:00 -
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What's the point finding gravs in highsec anyway if you make more isk/hour by mining veldspar? Radars and unknowns are worthwhile, though you can make more isk by grinding lvl 4 missions. And yes, there are many explorers now in Caldari, some of which search for gravs only.
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Chigger Troutslayer
The Intergalactic Federation Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.04.30 13:42:00 -
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I'm not sure how much better the ore is in hi-sec grav sites (never bothered looking for one), but if you just want a nice quiet place to mine the usual hi-sec ores, run some L1 missions until you find one with some nice rocks. Can flippers wont bother probing you out just to steal your ore in a mission deadspace....
I can only really answer number 3. Seems to be plenty of grav sites in lo-sec, and not really off the beaten path either...
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.30 16:44:00 -
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Quote: In theory even if there is plenty of people currently searching for them and mining them they should respawn as soon as finished. That mean that I should find them, even if half empty or with someone already mining them.
This is the key point really. I hope it works this way, and it's been hinted at, but never really officially confirmed.
If this is how it works, then it doesn't matter how many explorers are out there - the same number of exploration sites will always be spawned. Therefore, people going through 20 systems and not finding anything can't simply be told "well, there are lots of other people exploring"
It would be possible the sites are respawning somewhere no one ever checks, however.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.30 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Quote: In theory even if there is plenty of people currently searching for them and mining them they should respawn as soon as finished. That mean that I should find them, even if half empty or with someone already mining them.
This is the key point really. I hope it works this way, and it's been hinted at, but never really officially confirmed.
If this is how it works, then it doesn't matter how many explorers are out there - the same number of exploration sites will always be spawned. Therefore, people going through 20 systems and not finding anything can't simply be told "well, there are lots of other people exploring"
It would be possible the sites are respawning somewhere no one ever checks, however.
While I am unsure if it has been stated in some Dev blog (not done from what I recall) plenty of Dev post have stated that a ne site respwan as soon as another it is depleted, in the same region (or maybe macroregion).
No one has stated that the new site is of the new kind and if there is some kind of check to avoid that the site did respawn in a system where there are already 5, 6 or even more sites. My doubt is that what is happening is exactly that. Every time the sites respawn some of them end in a high sec system in a culd de sac with some low sec functioning as a barrier.
As we tend to explore the system easily accessible for the activity we want to do it is rare that someone hunt for a mining site when to move the ore he has to jump trough low sec, especially if the system is lacking a station.
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Zifrian
Gallente GFB Scientific Interstellar Corporate Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.30 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: FlameGlow What's the point finding gravs in highsec anyway if you make more isk/hour by mining veldspar? Radars and unknowns are worthwhile, though you can make more isk by grinding lvl 4 missions. And yes, there are many explorers now in Caldari, some of which search for gravs only.
This is probably true if you sell your ore. I use it to make things, thus increase my profits more than direct sale. I found a belt last night that was jaspet and hemophite. I liked having the extra nox in my hanger for stuff I make regularly.
I have yet to find an unknown that was any good though unless it had rare asteroids in it.
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Khwalik
Ghetto Kings
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Posted - 2008.05.01 02:43:00 -
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yes,no,yes,no.
ask me same ? about RADAR my opinion differs.
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callisthenes excelsior
Caldari Strike Force
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Posted - 2008.05.01 10:09:00 -
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I found a large gneiss 3 days ago with about 150000 gneiss of all types in a .3 with a refinery and right beside empire!
It took 2 hours to probe down as the sensor strength was so LOW but u can do the math as to how much it was worth?
Finding these I ask myself why I bothered to go to 0.0! "CEO and generally nice guy" |

Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.01 10:42:00 -
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General consensus seem to be that it is working as normal. Probably in my region there is some hidden corner where the explo sites are piling up and no one is searching for them.
I have at least 1 likely candidate, a system with a fixed complex where in the past I had discovered 5 different exploration sites, probably there are other with similar characteristics.
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2008.05.01 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jonathan Calvert on 01/05/2008 13:32:42
Originally by: Venkul Mul In the last weeks I have never got a gravimetric hit in high sec empire wile in the past they were reasonably common. As my main interest was to get get some calm mining site I am a bit disappointed (I am outside of Caldari space if someone is interested in that).
In theory even if there is plenty of people currently searching for them and mining them they should respawn as soon as finished. That mean that I should find them, even if half empty or with someone already mining them.
So before starting a worried thread in game developement I want to take a survey.
So my questions:
1) are you finding what you feel is the usual number of gravimetric sites in high sec empire?
2) are you finding gravimetric sites (or other exploration sites) bunched together in some far off corner of high sec?
3) are you finding what you feel is the usual number of gravimetric sites in low sec empire?
4) are you finding gravimetric sites (or other exploration sites) bunched together in some far off corner of low sec?
" and 4 are especially important as they will indicate that respawn is ok, simply the high numbers of people exploring tend to move the exploration sites from the more traveled systems to far off corners where they sit untouched until they despawn for the timer exaustion. To me it seem the more probable answer as in the past I have found high sec systems with 5 signatures (plus a static complex to hide the unknow ).
There is no way to tell whats normal, so 1 and 3 are moot. Im also not really sure what a far off corner is. Every inch seems pretty well scanned. Why do we get a new thread every day about exploration being messed up? It is what it is. Maybe you should try known belt mining instead.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.01 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 01/05/2008 20:28:11 To decide what is normal I can only compare with my previsious results.
About what is a far off corner, in the contest of this thread and for point 2 it is one or more high sec system placed in a dead end area, with one or more low sec system between it an the next high sec system and with the low sec system separated by other low sec systems.
The one I was thinking about and that I suspected could have several exploration sites, has proved exactly what I suspected. It has at least 4 exploration sites as it is positive to Unknown, Gravimetric, Radar and Magnetometric exploration sites, plus 3 encounter sites.
This, to me don't seem much healthy, especially considering that each positive signal on the multi probbe can be several exploration sites. I think CCP should add a check for the number of exploration sites already spawned in a system before spawning another one in the same location.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.05.01 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
While I am unsure if it has been stated in some Dev blog (not done from what I recall) plenty of Dev post have stated that a ne site respwan as soon as another it is depleted, in the same region (or maybe macroregion).
No one has stated that the new site is of the new kind and if there is some kind of check to avoid that the site did respawn in a system where there are already 5, 6 or even more sites. My doubt is that what is happening is exactly that. Every time the sites respawn some of them end in a high sec system in a culd de sac with some low sec functioning as a barrier.
As we tend to explore the system easily accessible for the activity we want to do it is rare that someone hunt for a mining site when to move the ore he has to jump trough low sec, especially if the system is lacking a station.
I haven't made up my mind whether this would a genuine problem or not. But because I'm a smartass I just have to say...
More Exploration sites tucked away in far-off, harder to access, litte-explored systems? Who would have thought? :P * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.05.01 22:27:00 -
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I haven't been exploring long enough to know what's normal, but in Khanid region I remember finding rather a lot of gravimetric and radar sites in low sec, and since moving back to high sec I mostly find unknowns with a few gravimetric.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
I haven't made up my mind whether this would a genuine problem or not. But because I'm a smartass I just have to say...
More Exploration sites tucked away in far-off, harder to access, litte-explored systems? Who would have thought? :P
Yes, a bit a smartass .
The point is if it logic that a single system could have 4 different signatures and probably more than 4 exploration locations, or if the spawning system should avoid that kind of distribution, spawning a new site in a different system if there are already more than 4.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Roy Batty68 on 02/05/2008 16:49:26 I see grav sites fairly often in both the high and lowsec space I play around in. What I don't see much of is mag sites. Not that I care much. I still rate them as more trouble than they're worth.
Edit: I do run across bunches in less traveled systems. Doesn't happen that often though.
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Trotula
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.03 14:25:00 -
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Hehe, yea, I know what you mean Venkul, it is just SOOOO unfair that we actually have to go and explore to find these systems where there may be more than 4 sites that have spawned....
Sorry, no sympathy here from me. I like it that I can find a tucked away little traveled system that have a bunch of sites that will keep me busy. |

Bull61
Fly By Night Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.03 15:34:00 -
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Mock me if you must, but just a couple weeks ago I multispec'ed a .6 system, resulting in a grav and an unknown return. Using grav probes, I came to a site with many 'roids, up to and including Jaspet. there were a few npc rats and a gate. Beyond the gate were some more npc rats, up to a Chief Patroller (I think... some kind of Serpentis Chief anyway... Unheard of in a .6 system normally) and some structures. The 'roid field lasted until the final structure was destroyed on the 2nd level. After that, a multispec showed nothing found.
With the jaspet, you have to figure that was at least the grav site... it seemed a combo site? Anyone else see anything like this? |

Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.03 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bull61 Mock me if you must, but just a couple weeks ago I multispec'ed a .6 system, resulting in a grav and an unknown return. Using grav probes, I came to a site with many 'roids, up to and including Jaspet. there were a few npc rats and a gate. Beyond the gate were some more npc rats, up to a Chief Patroller (I think... some kind of Serpentis Chief anyway... Unheard of in a .6 system normally) and some structures. The 'roid field lasted until the final structure was destroyed on the 2nd level. After that, a multispec showed nothing found.
With the jaspet, you have to figure that was at least the grav site... it seemed a combo site? Anyone else see anything like this?
No, it is an unknown, got it 2 times. Some kind of Serpentis complex, you can mine it if you leave a ship in one of the rooms and return with a mining ship. |
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